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Warning: TurboTax 2009's Fraudulent Consent to Steal Your Income Tax Data
TurboTax 2009 ^ | 1/24/2010 | The Taxman

Posted on 01/24/2010 4:42:12 PM PST by catnipman

I wanted to alert everyone here that TurboTax 2009 is going to attempt to grab your income tax data for unlimited nefarious use by themselves and their partners. Here's how:

I've sent the following information to the IRS via mailed Form 3934A, emailed via complaints@tigta.treas.gov, to ripoffreport.com and to the Journal's Walter Mossberg:

January 24, 2010

Internal Revenue Service Fraud Department
Internal Revenue Service
Fresno, CA 93888

To Whom It May Concern,

Each year Intuit comes up with a new ripoff scheme for TurboTax. I think they must be doing it for publicity purposes at this point, because no one can be that stupid, since they get caught each year and have to issue an apology.

This year's scam is a bogus "Consent" form at the start of the process that looks as if the IRS requires that it be signed. In fact, this consent form allows Intuit and their partners to paw through your tax return to decide which of their money-making ripoff products and services that they want to try and trick you into buying later on.

This consent form is deliberately obtuse and is deliberately designed to confuse and trick the users of TurboTax 2009 into granting practically unlimited consent for Intuit and their partners to utilize all information on one’s tax return for almost any purpose.

I urge you to immediately order Intuit to issue an automatic program update that eliminates this consent form as well as the underlying purposes for which it is being presented.

I’ve attached the following:

1. Exhibit A: A screen capture of the consent form from TurboTax 2009. Also, I’ve placed this online at:

Consent Form

2. Exhibit B: Supposedly the same form when printed out from TurboTax 2009, though it is quite different.

3. Exhibit C: The web page on Intuit’s web site that offers an explanation of the consent form. Notice that this explanation is substantially different than the explanation in the consent form itself, and actually admits to the actual purpose of the consent form, namely it’s needed solely for the purpose of Intuit using your tax return information for the purpose of selling you additional products and services. The link to this page is:

Intuit Web Page

Sincerely,

An Outraged Taxpayer

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Exhibit C:



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: consent; intuit; ripoff; taxes; turbotax
Just trying to help look out for the folks here!

BTW, the only way to prevent authorizing Intuit to take your income tax data is to check the "Don't Show Any Options" box.

1 posted on 01/24/2010 4:42:13 PM PST by catnipman
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To: catnipman

Thanks for the info!


2 posted on 01/24/2010 4:44:20 PM PST by Batman11 (Sarah Palin: "Illegal immigrants are called illegal for a reason!")
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To: catnipman

I didnt really understand it when I received it. I tried to undo it but it would not let me I had to hit it to go forward.


3 posted on 01/24/2010 4:46:56 PM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: catnipman

Ditto: passing it on to the Boss, who’s also in charge of tax prep.


4 posted on 01/24/2010 4:50:57 PM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: catnipman

I’m not seeing what the problem is. They’ve had similar things in the app forever, that’s part of why people buy TurboTax is to have it look through their tax data and present options for this year, and even recommendations to reduce your tax liability in the future. The form itself is pretty straight forward and doesn’t look at all like it comes from the IRS.


5 posted on 01/24/2010 4:52:25 PM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: catnipman

I installed Turbo Tax and checked “show me all options”. Fortunately I haven’t gotten into it yet so it’ll be easy to uninstall and reinstall checking the “show no options” box.

Really appreciate the info!


6 posted on 01/24/2010 4:53:25 PM PST by luv2lurkhere
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To: catnipman

Thanks! Just ran across the form yesterday.


7 posted on 01/24/2010 4:54:37 PM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: catnipman

What’s the big deal? Just don’t authorize them to do it. The wording was clear to me: you DO NOT have to authorize them, so DON’T.

How hard is that?


8 posted on 01/24/2010 4:54:58 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: luv2lurkhere
I installed Turbo Tax and checked “show me all options”. Fortunately I haven’t gotten into it yet so it’ll be easy to uninstall and reinstall checking the “show no options” box.

You don't need to uninstall. You can uncheck the consent box by getting to the "Let's Review Your Personal Info" summary page. At the very bottom of the page there's an "Edit" button for "Change Refund and Payment Settings". This takes you to the original consent form where you can check "Don't Show Me Any Options".

9 posted on 01/24/2010 4:58:10 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: catnipman

I’ve always managed to do my taxes without help from these clowns...but thanks anyway.


10 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:41 PM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: discostu
I’m not seeing what the problem is. They’ve had similar things in the app forever, that’s part of why people buy TurboTax is to have it look through their tax data and present options for this year, and even recommendations to reduce your tax liability in the future. The form itself is pretty straight forward and doesn’t look at all like it comes from the IRS.

This is not what the consent is for. The consent is for Intuit to paw through your data for its own commercial purposes to decide if it wants to sell you additional products and services.

11 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:49 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: catnipman

Bunp to show the wife (who does our taxes).


12 posted on 01/24/2010 5:01:31 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: catnipman

They frequently in the past have used TT to push you towards Quicken, their e-file and their storage so again what’s the big deal. This is how TT has been working for over 15 years (that’s when I started using it).


13 posted on 01/24/2010 5:05:19 PM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: catnipman

I used to use Turbo Tax, until I found Demo-TAX. Now I just click on the “I forgot to file” button on the splash screen and fugghetaboutit.


14 posted on 01/24/2010 5:08:52 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: catnipman

The reason I use Turbo Tax is to give me all the options? If I don’t check that, will the software not optimize my return??


15 posted on 01/24/2010 5:08:59 PM PST by RushingWater
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To: catnipman
I used TaxACT last year and liked the web-based system.
16 posted on 01/24/2010 5:12:48 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: musicman

bookmark!!!


17 posted on 01/24/2010 5:12:51 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: catnipman

As soon as I saw that screen I checked no consent and moved on. So far nothing fishy has happened.


18 posted on 01/24/2010 5:29:15 PM PST by freespirited (Congratulations Senator Brown. One down, 59 to go.)
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To: RushingWater

I’m sure it will still show you all your deductions and optimize your return. What the consent is for is to allow their marketing people to view and analyze your return and have some of their other companies try to sell you more products.


19 posted on 01/24/2010 5:30:08 PM PST by mtrott
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To: catnipman
Uhhh...gee, I guess maybe you need to read before you click on anything. How unusual. Imagine that, you can't just click on everything that pops up.

This is a big nothing.
20 posted on 01/24/2010 5:37:45 PM PST by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: catnipman

Cheap skates. Spend a few bucks and hirer a professional. Do you do your own brain surgery?


21 posted on 01/24/2010 5:37:58 PM PST by PjhCPA
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To: PjhCPA

Cheap skates. Spend a few bucks and hirer a professional. Do you do your own brain surgery?


Bad analogy. It’s a lot easier to prepare one’s own taxes (ask all the tax preparers) than to cut on one’s own brain.

Why would I entrust my private data to a “trained bungler” (what lawyers call CPAs) with whom there is no attorney-client privilege?


22 posted on 01/24/2010 5:46:47 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Personal freedom begins when you tell Old Mrs. Grundy to go to Hell." -Lazarus Long)
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To: RushingWater
The reason I use Turbo Tax is to give me all the options? If I don’t check that, will the software not optimize my return??

The only options you lose is for Intuit to sell you certain additional products and services for additional fees.

23 posted on 01/24/2010 5:47:13 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: catnipman

I haven’t done my taxes yet this year, so I’m unsure about this.

But I will say that I’ve found TurboTax extremely helpful in the past. It sure is a lot easier than filling out all the paper forms.


24 posted on 01/24/2010 6:13:31 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: catnipman
I was going to use Turbo-Tax for my taxes this year until I heard that I had to be nominated for a cabinet position before they would include the “Geithner” button.
25 posted on 01/24/2010 6:26:37 PM PST by pop-aye (For every journey, The Way, is the HigherPath)
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To: PjhCPA

I don’t attempt to do my own brain surgery, but i do tip my urologist


26 posted on 01/24/2010 6:32:24 PM PST by KansasCanadian (Joe the Plumber is the man!)
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To: USMCPOP
I used to use Turbo Tax, until I found Demo-TAX. Now I just click on the “I forgot to file” button on the splash screen and fugghetaboutit.

Snort ! Thanks for the LOL !

27 posted on 01/24/2010 6:39:29 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: discostu

Yeah, I thought Turbo Tax was supposed to do a lot of background work and steer me to options that will help my situation. I understand that they, as any other tax preparer, will try to sell me services and it is my choice to accept or decline them.


28 posted on 01/24/2010 6:52:15 PM PST by Eagle Eye (The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.)
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To: Cicero
But I will say that I’ve found TurboTax extremely helpful in the past. It sure is a lot easier than filling out all the paper forms.

I think TurboTax is great; I've used it for decades. It's just that Intuit has repeatedly demonstrated it's a totally unethical company, particularly with their efforts to cheat and ripoff users of TurboTax.

29 posted on 01/24/2010 7:14:34 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: catnipman

When I see opportunities to upgrade to a more expensive program, or buy something else from them, I just turn it down. But it’s good to have some warning about this new one.


30 posted on 01/24/2010 7:21:51 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: catnipman

Thaniks for the heads up.

I dislike Intuit even more than Microsoft, but there isn’t really any alternative to Turbotax if you want to download your investment data to your fax forms.


31 posted on 01/24/2010 7:25:41 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: PjhCPA
Cheap skates. Spend a few bucks and hirer a professional. Do you do your own brain surgery?

No, but I do my own manicures.
32 posted on 01/24/2010 9:01:06 PM PST by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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To: catnipman
How is this any different from the "Freecreditreports.com" scam that we are constantly bombarded with in TV commercials?
That's even worse. At least with Intuit people can get their "Free Federal Return" program.
33 posted on 01/25/2010 12:05:06 AM PST by Publius6961 (He is not America; he is an employee seemingly unable to rise to minimal expectations.)
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To: PjhCPA
Cheap skates. Spend a few bucks and hirer a professional. Do you do your own brain surgery?

**************************************************

Why don't you ...

Hire a stylist to do your hair every morning.

Hire a cook to make your breakfast .. you're not a chef or a nutritionist.

Hire a maid to clean up while you're at work.

Hire Juan to mow your lawn.

Hire a driver to take you to work , you're not a professional.

... Hey Can I just call you and get a few dozen jobs?? You seem to be made of money !!!

If you were any good as a CPA you would be overloaded with work and wouldn't want the hassle of individual tax returns.. you wouldn't spend any time getting them right anyway .. that's why people use the software

34 posted on 01/25/2010 12:57:01 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: catnipman

I stopped using Turbotax several years ago when their nasty rootkit copy protection safecast/C-Dilla from Macrovision ruined my DVD burner.


35 posted on 01/25/2010 1:05:23 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: Neidermeyer
If you were any good as a CPA you would be overloaded with work

I'm very selective about the clients I choose to work with.

Your analogies regarding mowing lawn, cutting hair, cleaning, etc are about as far off as mine was.
36 posted on 01/25/2010 4:27:58 AM PST by PjhCPA
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To: MediaMole

Ditto, moved to Taxcut. Moved to TaxAct this year as Taxcut evolved to be like Turbotax. Less than half the price too.


37 posted on 01/25/2010 4:44:23 AM PST by DaveArk
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To: catnipman

I don’t use TurboTax, and haven’t for a few years since they snuck that “anti-pirating” software in their product a while back. Intuit has run out of good ideas, and has become nothing but a multi-level spamming organization. Even Quicken is loaded with garbage designed solely to sell you other garbage.

It reminds me of the DoubleTree hotel that I once visited in Carmel, Indiana. The room was full of spam - a bottle of champaign with a note stating that opening the bottle constituted an agreement to buy the champaign at some outragous price. Same for candy items in the room. It was just like having a used car salesman sharing the room with you. Just like Intuit, Doubletree lost a customer.


38 posted on 01/25/2010 4:54:27 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: MediaMole
I stopped using Turbotax several years ago when their nasty rootkit copy protection safecast/C-Dilla from Macrovision ruined my DVD burner.

That's what it was that turned me away. I had forgotten the details, thinking that it was an anti-pirating software of some sort.

At any rate, I don't like to deal with the constant sales pitch that Intuit includes in all their programs these days.

39 posted on 01/25/2010 5:01:06 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: discostu
"I’m not seeing what the problem is. They’ve had similar things in the app forever, that’s part of why people buy TurboTax is to have it look through their tax data and present options for this year, and even recommendations to reduce your tax liability in the future. The form itself is pretty straight forward and doesn’t look at all like it comes from the IRS."

Agreed.

Seems somebody has an ax to grind.
40 posted on 01/25/2010 8:19:14 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: PjhCPA

I know professionals that do taxes, most of them use TurboTax or some other software package in some way or another, if only to double check their work.


41 posted on 01/25/2010 8:23:17 AM PST by discostu (wanted: brick, must be thick and well kept)
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To: EdReform

bookmark


42 posted on 01/25/2010 8:49:44 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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