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"Birther" Whispering Campaign Inside the Democrat Party?
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Posted on 01/24/2010 4:52:57 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid

It started out innocently in a conversation with a well-connected Democrat friend who is now-disillusioned Obama voter.

We were discussing the Massachusetts election, and I joked that I didn’t know if the Democrats could stand another three years under Obama. He fired back that he and several of his friends didn’t know if they could stand ONE more year under Obama.

I posited that the only way it could happen that fast is if you could get him out of office on something like an eligibility issue, and that I couldn’t imagine any Democrat would ever become a “birther”!

There was a silence for a few moments and then he confided that “one might surprised at what is being whispered about by disillusioned members at high levels in the party”. He cut the conversation off at that point and we reverted back to small talk.

This all sounded so not credible to me, but you can never underestimate the Democrats’ desire to stay in power. The more I pondered his words, the more intriguing and perhaps terrifying the outcomes became.

Consider this scenario, the Democrats actually let “birther” investigations to go forward, publicly condemning the Republicans for pushing the issues, while quietly not impeding or even facilitating them . Two outcomes can happen. Obama is proven eligible and the Republicans are embarrassed and fall from public grace. Obama retains power and Democrats regain some public confidence.

Should Obama be removed from office, it becomes the ultimate opportunity to play the race card, because the still-“conservative” Supreme Court would have to “conspire” with the "racist" Republicans to force Obama’s departure from office. Democrats could swear Obama’s innocence, a repeat of the Lewinsky defense, in which Bill Clinton came out more powerful politically. The Democrats could raise the race issue with the Republicans until the end of recorded time for removing the first Black President from office.

At the precipice of their political comeback, the Republicans could fall hard! A Democrat "Rope a Dope"?

Admittedly this is a shameless self post, maybe I’m reading more into this than was really there. If you disagree, flame away, pull the post, and tell me to take my meds and go to my room.


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; buyersremorse; certifigate
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1 posted on 01/24/2010 4:52:57 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

You could be onto something. My philosophy is that there is no standard below which a progressive will go to get their way.


2 posted on 01/24/2010 4:55:44 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Well, if any Demonrat was incentivized to be a birther it was the Clintons


3 posted on 01/24/2010 4:55:55 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

HA...that could work..

They would just blame it on the birthers...


4 posted on 01/24/2010 4:56:14 PM PST by Crim
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Anything is possible these days. Obama is making enemies LEFT and RIGHT. Any one side, or both, could knock him off his high horse.


5 posted on 01/24/2010 4:56:27 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

President Biden?
President Pelosi?
President Byrd?

The mind boggles at how much worse our leadership can get if 0bama is impeached.


6 posted on 01/24/2010 4:57:11 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
The PUMAs researched this topic quite extensively but never came up with the smoking gun but there's always HOPE for CHANGE.
7 posted on 01/24/2010 4:59:02 PM PST by McGruff (Love ya Sarah but I will support and contribute to JD Hayworth.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Dreaming, that will happen when the public plan passes,

They are Birth-certificate-ers


8 posted on 01/24/2010 4:59:18 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Well, if any Demonrat was incentivized to be a birther it was the Clintons
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Not so! Remember that Obama likely has plenty of dirt on Hillary and Bill. Think of it as the old Cold War nuclear “mutually assured destruction”.

9 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:23 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Crim

Of course they would. I am willing to take a chance. The Dems and lib media would beat us up and the GOP. Go for it.

I really never understood why the Dem party especially moderates let this get this far. I was sure they would bite their tounge and vote for McCain.

I knew he would possibly destroy the USA and also the Dem party before the election. I saw this coming.


10 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:24 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Southack

I respectfully disagree...NOTHING could be worse than Obama.


11 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:25 PM PST by Mich Patriot
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Actually, now that you mention it, there is an E-mail that my wife got last Friday (she said she was going to forward it to me) talking about a judge somewhere that was going to view the birth certificate issue. I don’t know if it is an old one or currant.


12 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:28 PM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

We have to produce our birth certificate to start school and to get a passport. Presidential candidate SHOULD have to do that.


13 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:35 PM PST by buffyt (Glowbull Warming: The Greatest Hoax Since Y2K! Follow the money Coldest winter in 100 years.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Is removal will be bloody as in a race war that only Charlie Manson would love


14 posted on 01/24/2010 5:00:42 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Southack

Pelosi is the only one on that list that might concern me anywhere near as much as Obama and she doesn’t have the machine backing her.


15 posted on 01/24/2010 5:01:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Don’t forget, the entire Birther movement started with the dems.


16 posted on 01/24/2010 5:01:33 PM PST by mnehring
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To: al baby

“His “ sorry


17 posted on 01/24/2010 5:01:53 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

IF the dems decide to rid themselves of the impostor...highly placed man in the senate a republican...says: The dems will be told...Obama is your and is your problem...they’ll not lift a hand to help.


18 posted on 01/24/2010 5:02:03 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

To me it is not unthinkable that DemocRATS could push the “birther” issue. The USS Obama is sinking fast and Dems are jumping ship at an alarming rate. The longer Obama stays in office the greater the damage to the Dems. Wouldn’t it be more than ironic if it was the Dems that forced Obama out. I’m not holding my breath but it is a possibility.


19 posted on 01/24/2010 5:02:05 PM PST by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Back in the days of the Clinton regime, a columnist complained, "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up."

There is nothing beneath the 'rats. They would definitely eat their own if necessary to cling to power.

20 posted on 01/24/2010 5:02:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Of course it is just not the birth certificate. It is his admissions form to Occidental College, admission to Harvard, how he paid for Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard. I personally believe that someone is going to come up with something within this year.


21 posted on 01/24/2010 5:02:56 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Sure and we’d be so much better off with Biden as president.

And the rioting that would consume all our inner cities would be something too, eh?


22 posted on 01/24/2010 5:03:04 PM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Southack

Let’s keep him in til the election then out with all the trash.


23 posted on 01/24/2010 5:03:39 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS ... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Should Obama be removed from office, it becomes the ultimate opportunity to play the race card, because the still-“conservative” Supreme Court would have to “conspire” with the "racist" Republicans to force Obama’s departure from office. Democrats could swear Obama’s innocence, a repeat of the Lewinsky defense, in which Bill Clinton came out more powerful politically. The Democrats could raise the race issue with the Republicans until the end of recorded time for removing the first Black President from office.

Another possibility on this avenue is that the democrat party is disgraced forever and Americans refuse to ever vote for a democrat again after they knowingly foisted an illegal candidate upon American and then lied about it for a couple of years. The conspiracy criminal charges could (and should if it were true) remove the top half of the democrat party leadership.

Or, if as you suggest here, Obama is removed but the democrats continue to deny it, then we get civil war.

24 posted on 01/24/2010 5:05:40 PM PST by highlander_UW (There's a storm coming - little kid at a Mexican gas station in The Terminator)
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To: teletech

When you consider how many people Obama has thrown under the bus, would the dems hesitate to throw HIM under the bus if they saw an advantage in doing it?


25 posted on 01/24/2010 5:05:53 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: wintertime

What kind of dirt do you think? All kinds of stuff was tried on them in the 1990’s and he still got elected twice and she was the frontrunner for much of 2007-8.


26 posted on 01/24/2010 5:06:40 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Consider this scenario, the Democrats actually let “birther” investigations to go forward, publicly condemning the Republicans for pushing the issues, while quietly not impeding or even facilitating them . Two outcomes can happen. Obama is proven eligible and the Republicans are embarrassed and fall from public grace.......

This argument was given earlier when Clinton and Obama were running for nomination. It obviously did not happen.


27 posted on 01/24/2010 5:07:09 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

The only weak spot I see in your theory — not that I see the Rats taking this route, however — is that there is one huge risk for the Rats:

If Obama were found actually to be ineligible for some reason, yes, in this theory, the Rats benefit by shedding Obama without having their fingerprints on his downfall.

But I think this underestimates the anger that would be exploded at the Rats for (1) doing nothing to vet the eligibility of their own candidate, (2) the sheer amount of crap this President has put the country through and he was never even eligible to serve, (3) the years of Rat cauterwalling about how stupid and dangerous birthers were only for the birthers to be proven right, and (4) the dawning realization that the system, most particularly the Rats, compromised our Constitution and our national security by opening us to a Manchurian candidate.

IOW, even if the goal were to get rid of Obama and that was accomplished, this “victory” would still be at a very high political price for the Rats. I think if something that fundamental as to eligibility were proven, the anger that the Rats fielded such a nominee in the first place would be incredible. This would be the unpardonable political sin.


28 posted on 01/24/2010 5:07:16 PM PST by fightinJAG (Largest wing in future Obama Presidential Library will be devoted to Bush & Cheney)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid; LucyT; pissant; SE Mom

Ping.


29 posted on 01/24/2010 5:08:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
The problem is the people in Washington. The independent voter changed out the executive branch. The independent voter will change out the legislative branch. It doesn't matter if you have a (R) in front of your name, or a (D) in front of your name. If you are a part of the Washington insiders. You should be gone.

They would in a New York second!

30 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: LucyT

Hoping it gets “legs”.


31 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:52 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks (Dollar a Day Member..............Free Republic is not Free!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

What if a positive , like being a “Constitutionalist,” becomes the most powerful political talisman, replacing the negative “racist?”


32 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:57 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Who do you think started all this? The original birther was Phil Berg, a strong Clinton friend and supporter.


33 posted on 01/24/2010 5:10:41 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: fightinJAG

Points taken, but you can bet there would be heated, and partisan debate in the Supreme Court, and if the conservative viewpoint won out, the Democrats would use the old “right wing conspiracy” and link everything to that while declaring innocence for Obama. Nothing garners sympathy more than prosecuting an innocent man.


34 posted on 01/24/2010 5:10:45 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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35 posted on 01/24/2010 5:11:40 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Frantzie

I have to disagree.
Our side could simply say: “Why didn’t the liberal media VET Barack Obama? Why did they allow him to slide by w/out showing his Long Form BC or his College Transcripts etc etc. ?? Why did Nancy Pelosi and other party leaders SIGN a document verifying his elegibility? Why are you angry at us for upholding the constitution?

We would have many many cards to play in such a scenario.

The American people (remember Mass. Va. NJ.) would be furious at the media and the dems for enabling Obama to screw over the Constitution.


36 posted on 01/24/2010 5:12:18 PM PST by sklar
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Whatever.

The point is, if he is not constitutionally qualified, then he shouldn’t be there, and should be removed.

End of debate.


37 posted on 01/24/2010 5:13:17 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Although I am an agnostic on the birth issue, the biggest argument AGAINST there being any fire among the smoke is that Shrillary! did not use it in the primary. And as we all know, the Clintons have THE BEST dirt diggers.


38 posted on 01/24/2010 5:14:35 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I agree with you. They would be furiously spinning just as you said. Still, I think in the end, when it started dawning on people that this wasn’t doofuses crashing a WH dinner, it’s the POTUS, the anger would be unbelievable.

Also maybe it wouldn’t play out the way you’re thinking -— with SCOTUS involvement and all that. I can see scenarios where evidence is uncovered, the SCOTUS says here’s the legal (constitutional) standard, you, Congress, apply it and then we’ll talk. IOW, where the Rats are forced into action earlier in the process.


39 posted on 01/24/2010 5:14:45 PM PST by fightinJAG (Largest wing in future Obama Presidential Library will be devoted to Bush & Cheney)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Funny how the truth is interesting only if it helps them get their way. Otherwise, it's unimportant...

"Funny" in a tragic sort of way...

40 posted on 01/24/2010 5:15:15 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Strange days indeed.

We may never learn the truth - because it is too spooky to contemplate the ending.


41 posted on 01/24/2010 5:15:45 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: sklar

Interesting point, but remember that there are several interpretations of “natural born citizen”, the dems would simply have clain that the agreed with their own interpretation, not the one of the “Right-wing racist supreme court”!


42 posted on 01/24/2010 5:17:08 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Mich Patriot

Agreed. at least if Biden were president it would be funny...


43 posted on 01/24/2010 5:17:25 PM PST by clintonh8r (Nobody's 'bot!!)
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To: Carley

“And the rioting that would consume all our inner cities would be something too, eh?”

Meh...I’m preped to be out of town in under an hour...

Go right ahead...


44 posted on 01/24/2010 5:17:46 PM PST by Crim
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To: al baby

We are already in a race war.


45 posted on 01/24/2010 5:20:33 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: al baby

“His removal will be bloody as in a race war that only Charlie Manson would love.”

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I wouldn’t bank on that. The bruthas are already massively disappointed in The One. As I anticipated, they did not turn out for him in MA.

Ask yourself, who’s suffering the most in this economy?


46 posted on 01/24/2010 5:20:41 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

There is an issue that people do not realize. Joe Biden and Nancy pelosi signed his certification process with the DNC. As well as Howard dean signed to, (which does not relate to the current leadership). Hilary Clinton would become defacto leader. There would be a constitutional crisis, whereby all issues decreed by Obama would be negated, TARP, Executive Orders, GM and Chrysler Bailouts?. Obama would be placed in a federal prison as wells as Biden and Pelosi, till the trial. there would be multiple civil suits brought against the democratic party, that would cause for the demise of the democratic party. It would not end the republic, but it would cause singificant distrust of the american political sysytem. George Soros would get involved and others whom are part of the CFR, Bilderberg Group and so forth


47 posted on 01/24/2010 5:21:58 PM PST by hondact200 (hondact200 No to Socialism - Michigan is bad, socialism would even be worse)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

There is another option that you have not discussed and remember not even Rush, Beck or anyone else will bring up his elegibility so it would have to be brought up by Democrats. The Republicans will not take the hit on this.

What would probably happen is that the Democrats would use the CIA and the FBI and the State depart. to get the proof that he is not eligible or find out what he is hiding. Or allow his school records to be leaked to the media.

A group of them would take this info to him and use it to convince him to resign. He would suddenly get some type of illness that would not allow him to be around stress and he would bow out for the rest of his term.

The Democrats know that there is something in his background that at the least would highly embarrass the Democrats or at the most prove he was not eligible and they were responsible for allowing him to run anyway.

It could be something like Fraud:

The use of several names and social security numbers, which was illegal then and is still illegal today and never taking care of it legally so his real name is not what he ran as President with.

It could be something such as the lying to us during his campaign about his religion and relationships:

He was a member of the communist party and a practicing muslim until he arrived in Chicago and was never baptized in the Christian faith and is still a closet muslim.

He could be guilty of taking money under false pretenses:

He represented himself as a foreign student until he ran for the Senate. Getting scholarships because he was a foreigner and never paying income tax as a foreigner.
He could be ineligible and knew he was ineligible:

he could have been born in Kenya in which he knew before he ran for President that he was not eligible and ran anyway.

The Democrats have much more to lose if the truth comes out. The Republicans could hold them all responsible for putting our liberty and freedom in jeapordy by covering up fraud and illegalities. The Republicans and the tea party could bring a law suit against the Dem party and probably win.


48 posted on 01/24/2010 5:23:57 PM PST by ODDITHER (HAT)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I think it’s possible that Dear Leader’s own side will sacrifice him on the altar of their own self-preservation.

I don’t think this elaborate “birther” scheme—as you describe it—would do them any good.

No, they’ll have to take him down publicly in an impeachment proceeding. They have to do it themselves openly as a corrective measure in the hopes the electorate will forgive them putting him up in the first place.

I really believe it’s possible, nay plausible, these guys remember what prostituting themselves for the Clintons cost them. This is far worse.


49 posted on 01/24/2010 5:24:51 PM PST by sinanju
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To: fightinJAG

Just remember, Bill Clinton committed the ultimate act of Sexual Harrassment...the world’s most powerful man having sex with the lowliest subordinate under his command, a 19 year old UNPAID INTERN.

The public should have been OUTRAGED at this, but they were drowned out by a orchestrated Democrat response that their interest was “all about sex”. The Democrats won under seemingly impossible odds by diverting attention from the bad deeds and focusing blame on the accusers.

Don’t underestimate them, this is what they are the absolute best at!


50 posted on 01/24/2010 5:24:59 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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