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"Birther" Whispering Campaign Inside the Democrat Party?
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Posted on 01/24/2010 4:52:57 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid

It started out innocently in a conversation with a well-connected Democrat friend who is now-disillusioned Obama voter.

We were discussing the Massachusetts election, and I joked that I didn’t know if the Democrats could stand another three years under Obama. He fired back that he and several of his friends didn’t know if they could stand ONE more year under Obama.

I posited that the only way it could happen that fast is if you could get him out of office on something like an eligibility issue, and that I couldn’t imagine any Democrat would ever become a “birther”!

There was a silence for a few moments and then he confided that “one might surprised at what is being whispered about by disillusioned members at high levels in the party”. He cut the conversation off at that point and we reverted back to small talk.

This all sounded so not credible to me, but you can never underestimate the Democrats’ desire to stay in power. The more I pondered his words, the more intriguing and perhaps terrifying the outcomes became.

Consider this scenario, the Democrats actually let “birther” investigations to go forward, publicly condemning the Republicans for pushing the issues, while quietly not impeding or even facilitating them . Two outcomes can happen. Obama is proven eligible and the Republicans are embarrassed and fall from public grace. Obama retains power and Democrats regain some public confidence.

Should Obama be removed from office, it becomes the ultimate opportunity to play the race card, because the still-“conservative” Supreme Court would have to “conspire” with the "racist" Republicans to force Obama’s departure from office. Democrats could swear Obama’s innocence, a repeat of the Lewinsky defense, in which Bill Clinton came out more powerful politically. The Democrats could raise the race issue with the Republicans until the end of recorded time for removing the first Black President from office.

At the precipice of their political comeback, the Republicans could fall hard! A Democrat "Rope a Dope"?

Admittedly this is a shameless self post, maybe I’m reading more into this than was really there. If you disagree, flame away, pull the post, and tell me to take my meds and go to my room.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birthers; buyersremorse; certifigate
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Of course it is just not the birth certificate. It is his admissions form to Occidental College, admission to Harvard, how he paid for Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard. I personally believe that someone is going to come up with something within this year.


21 posted on 01/24/2010 5:02:56 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Sure and we’d be so much better off with Biden as president.

And the rioting that would consume all our inner cities would be something too, eh?


22 posted on 01/24/2010 5:03:04 PM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Southack

Let’s keep him in til the election then out with all the trash.


23 posted on 01/24/2010 5:03:39 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS ... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Should Obama be removed from office, it becomes the ultimate opportunity to play the race card, because the still-“conservative” Supreme Court would have to “conspire” with the "racist" Republicans to force Obama’s departure from office. Democrats could swear Obama’s innocence, a repeat of the Lewinsky defense, in which Bill Clinton came out more powerful politically. The Democrats could raise the race issue with the Republicans until the end of recorded time for removing the first Black President from office.

Another possibility on this avenue is that the democrat party is disgraced forever and Americans refuse to ever vote for a democrat again after they knowingly foisted an illegal candidate upon American and then lied about it for a couple of years. The conspiracy criminal charges could (and should if it were true) remove the top half of the democrat party leadership.

Or, if as you suggest here, Obama is removed but the democrats continue to deny it, then we get civil war.

24 posted on 01/24/2010 5:05:40 PM PST by highlander_UW (There's a storm coming - little kid at a Mexican gas station in The Terminator)
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To: teletech

When you consider how many people Obama has thrown under the bus, would the dems hesitate to throw HIM under the bus if they saw an advantage in doing it?


25 posted on 01/24/2010 5:05:53 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: wintertime

What kind of dirt do you think? All kinds of stuff was tried on them in the 1990’s and he still got elected twice and she was the frontrunner for much of 2007-8.


26 posted on 01/24/2010 5:06:40 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Consider this scenario, the Democrats actually let “birther” investigations to go forward, publicly condemning the Republicans for pushing the issues, while quietly not impeding or even facilitating them . Two outcomes can happen. Obama is proven eligible and the Republicans are embarrassed and fall from public grace.......

This argument was given earlier when Clinton and Obama were running for nomination. It obviously did not happen.


27 posted on 01/24/2010 5:07:09 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

The only weak spot I see in your theory — not that I see the Rats taking this route, however — is that there is one huge risk for the Rats:

If Obama were found actually to be ineligible for some reason, yes, in this theory, the Rats benefit by shedding Obama without having their fingerprints on his downfall.

But I think this underestimates the anger that would be exploded at the Rats for (1) doing nothing to vet the eligibility of their own candidate, (2) the sheer amount of crap this President has put the country through and he was never even eligible to serve, (3) the years of Rat cauterwalling about how stupid and dangerous birthers were only for the birthers to be proven right, and (4) the dawning realization that the system, most particularly the Rats, compromised our Constitution and our national security by opening us to a Manchurian candidate.

IOW, even if the goal were to get rid of Obama and that was accomplished, this “victory” would still be at a very high political price for the Rats. I think if something that fundamental as to eligibility were proven, the anger that the Rats fielded such a nominee in the first place would be incredible. This would be the unpardonable political sin.


28 posted on 01/24/2010 5:07:16 PM PST by fightinJAG (Largest wing in future Obama Presidential Library will be devoted to Bush & Cheney)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid; LucyT; pissant; SE Mom

Ping.


29 posted on 01/24/2010 5:08:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
The problem is the people in Washington. The independent voter changed out the executive branch. The independent voter will change out the legislative branch. It doesn't matter if you have a (R) in front of your name, or a (D) in front of your name. If you are a part of the Washington insiders. You should be gone.

They would in a New York second!

30 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by teletech (Say NO to RINOS!)
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To: LucyT

Hoping it gets “legs”.


31 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:52 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks (Dollar a Day Member..............Free Republic is not Free!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

What if a positive , like being a “Constitutionalist,” becomes the most powerful political talisman, replacing the negative “racist?”


32 posted on 01/24/2010 5:09:57 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Who do you think started all this? The original birther was Phil Berg, a strong Clinton friend and supporter.


33 posted on 01/24/2010 5:10:41 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: fightinJAG

Points taken, but you can bet there would be heated, and partisan debate in the Supreme Court, and if the conservative viewpoint won out, the Democrats would use the old “right wing conspiracy” and link everything to that while declaring innocence for Obama. Nothing garners sympathy more than prosecuting an innocent man.


34 posted on 01/24/2010 5:10:45 PM PST by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

35 posted on 01/24/2010 5:11:40 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Frantzie

I have to disagree.
Our side could simply say: “Why didn’t the liberal media VET Barack Obama? Why did they allow him to slide by w/out showing his Long Form BC or his College Transcripts etc etc. ?? Why did Nancy Pelosi and other party leaders SIGN a document verifying his elegibility? Why are you angry at us for upholding the constitution?

We would have many many cards to play in such a scenario.

The American people (remember Mass. Va. NJ.) would be furious at the media and the dems for enabling Obama to screw over the Constitution.


36 posted on 01/24/2010 5:12:18 PM PST by sklar
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Whatever.

The point is, if he is not constitutionally qualified, then he shouldn’t be there, and should be removed.

End of debate.


37 posted on 01/24/2010 5:13:17 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Although I am an agnostic on the birth issue, the biggest argument AGAINST there being any fire among the smoke is that Shrillary! did not use it in the primary. And as we all know, the Clintons have THE BEST dirt diggers.


38 posted on 01/24/2010 5:14:35 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I agree with you. They would be furiously spinning just as you said. Still, I think in the end, when it started dawning on people that this wasn’t doofuses crashing a WH dinner, it’s the POTUS, the anger would be unbelievable.

Also maybe it wouldn’t play out the way you’re thinking -— with SCOTUS involvement and all that. I can see scenarios where evidence is uncovered, the SCOTUS says here’s the legal (constitutional) standard, you, Congress, apply it and then we’ll talk. IOW, where the Rats are forced into action earlier in the process.


39 posted on 01/24/2010 5:14:45 PM PST by fightinJAG (Largest wing in future Obama Presidential Library will be devoted to Bush & Cheney)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Funny how the truth is interesting only if it helps them get their way. Otherwise, it's unimportant...

"Funny" in a tragic sort of way...

40 posted on 01/24/2010 5:15:15 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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