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Gun culture appeals to some, but I'll pass(MO)
kansascity.com ^ | 24 January, 2010 | Lewis Diuguid

Posted on 01/25/2010 3:49:33 AM PST by marktwain

Walking the talk of valuing diversity can lead to some unusual places.

Brian, a regular at monthly meetings of a diversity coalition in Overland Park, talked me out of going to church one Sunday in June and into riding with him to a gun show at the KCI Expo Center in the Northland. I grew up with guns, and this place was very familiar to me.

Dad still has the six-shooters his father carried every day to work as a railroad brakeman, beginning in the late 1800s. I shot guns when I was a Boy Scout. As an adult, I have fired friends’ handguns, shotguns and rifles, including flintlock weapons, requiring that we load steel balls and powder.

But I never warmed up to weaponry, though guns can be fun for target practice, hunting and showing off to friends.

They make some people feel secure, thinking guns offer “protection.” But my experience also has been that guns get used to intimidate, threaten, injure and kill people.

I saw that growing up in inner-city St. Louis. I’ve seen it in neighborhoods where I’ve lived in Kansas City and witnessed a lifetime of deaths from firearms as a journalist.

I vividly remember covering a story more than 30 years ago and seeing one gunshot victim bundled in a blanket on a more than 90-degree summer day saying how cold he was as he was wheeled from his home into an ambulance and whisked to a hospital where he died. Heat and life bled out of him — all caused by a gun.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; gunshow; mo
The author has a serious problem with bigotry and understanding basic cause and effect.
1 posted on 01/25/2010 3:49:34 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Guns aren't for everyone.

He doesn't try to keep me from owning one, and I won't force him to own one.

2 posted on 01/25/2010 3:51:25 AM PST by Lazamataz (Hey Obama, Can You Hear Me Now....? GOOOOoood......)
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To: marktwain
requiring that we load steel balls and powder.

HUH???? STEEL balls???

Either the author wasn't paying attention, or he's lying through his rotten teeth.

3 posted on 01/25/2010 3:52:34 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

I have noticed that many liberals seem to be bigots and have zero understanding of the cause and effect thingy.


4 posted on 01/25/2010 3:55:03 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: marktwain
They make some people feel secure, thinking guns offer “protection.”

No ... it's not just "feeling" better, and it's not just scare-quoted illusion of protection ... the protection is quite real, evidenced by a large number of dead and wounded criminals, and thwarted crimes. Dude is definitely not paying attention.

5 posted on 01/25/2010 3:56:26 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Ditto.

This guy is an idiot.


6 posted on 01/25/2010 3:57:58 AM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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To: marktwain
Heat and life bled out of him — all caused by a gun. violent criminal.

Is there anything worthwhile in the rest of the piece? The author's command of facts and logic is clearly deficient.

7 posted on 01/25/2010 3:58:07 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marktwain

“But my experience also has been that guns get used to intimidate, threaten, injure and kill people.”
So do cars.
This fool is also a racist. Look at the crime stats to see which race is misusing firearms.


8 posted on 01/25/2010 3:58:22 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: marktwain

Heat and life bled out of him — all caused by a gun.
He is wrong, the man’s death was caused by a criminal.


9 posted on 01/25/2010 3:59:10 AM PST by Kent1957
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To: Kent1957

Delusional. Probably best that he be kept from gun ownership.


10 posted on 01/25/2010 4:03:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: marktwain
I grew up with guns, and this place was very familiar to me

I stopped reading right about here. This is like frontloading a conversation about Obama with, "I have several black friends, but..."

11 posted on 01/25/2010 4:03:36 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: jospehm20

Well they’tr part of the ellielite.


12 posted on 01/25/2010 4:04:52 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Don't panic, the lunatics are in charge and have everything in hand.)
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To: marktwain

YOU CAN’T TAKE A PASS ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT ANY MORE THAN YOU CAN TAKE A PASS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT... IS THIS AUTHOR SOME GAY COMMIE?

LLS


13 posted on 01/25/2010 4:13:11 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Break into my home and I’ll show you 240 gr of .45 caliber protection right in the middle of your forehead and two in your chest.

LLS


14 posted on 01/25/2010 4:14:35 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Wow, you’re so cool.


15 posted on 01/25/2010 4:24:09 AM PST by awake-n-angry
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To: marktwain

Just a typical Louis DooGood article. As the KC Red Star’s affirmative action editorialist, he is immune to charges of racism and incompetence.


16 posted on 01/25/2010 4:27:40 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First; marktwain

Yep. He’s look for another pay cut.

http://cancelthebee.blogspot.com/2009/03/kansas-city-star-demotes-controversial.html


17 posted on 01/25/2010 4:35:57 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: marktwain
"guns require a lot of maintenance."

That's when the big flashing neon "IDIOT" light went off.

18 posted on 01/25/2010 4:37:47 AM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: marktwain

An effective way to greet such fools is to suggest that their “tangible” arguments, which seldom are, are just a cover for their having a phobic fear of loud, unexpected noises.

It sounds strange until you think about it, but there are lots of people that have a deep seated, even instinctual phobia of loud and unexpected noises. Some even call it one of the two “natural” phobias, the fear of falling being the other one.

http://www.phobiagone.com/phobias/loud_noises.php

Typical things that can trigger fears & phobias of loud noises.

- Balloons - fear of them popping or making a loud noise.
- Party poppers.
- Fireworks.
- Pyrotechnics used in theater productions, concerts etc.
- Loud noises, cars back firing, heavy things being dropped.
- Thunder and lightning.

And of course, gunfire. More importantly, the *anticipation* of gunfire.

There’s a joke about an amateur golfer who is tricked into playing a game for money with a semi-pro. So the amateur offers to trade several handicap points for a “three bag” handicap. Confident of his skills, the semi-pro agrees, though he doesn’t know what that means. But just before he tees off on the first hole, the amateur pops a paper bag right behind him, and he badly slices.

Then the amateur says, “That’s one bag.” For the rest of the game, the semi-pro can’t hit a ball to save his life, out of the anticipation of another paper bag being popped.

In the real world, people with loud and unexpected noise phobias are pretty miserable. Claustrophobics can avoid confined spaces and Coulrophobics can avoid clowns. But loud and unexpected noises can be anywhere.

For them, guns must be terrifying when they see them, because to them they are first and foremost “noisemakers”. Which to them must be like someone with a deep phobia of snakes seeing someone enter the room with a pet snake about their shoulders.

Their heart starts to pound, they break out in a cold sweat, they want to run away, to flee in terror. And most of all, they cannot reason their fear away. It has control over them.

It is no surprise they want to ban guns. So the big question is what percentage of the gun control movement has people for whom this is the primary motivation?

But since this is likely the case, whenever some anti-gun advocate spouts off, the question has to be raised: Do you want to ban guns, or do you want to ban loud and unexpected noises?


19 posted on 01/25/2010 4:40:24 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: wolfcreek

Thank you for that info, as I haven’t followed Looee much since moving from the KC area. I am surprised; I didn’t think they would ever demote him. My good news for the day. He must hate having to work for a white woman; probably a good thing he doesn’t own a gun.


20 posted on 01/25/2010 4:48:28 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: benewton

He’s always been an idiot; that’s why he works for the Kansas City Star.


21 posted on 01/25/2010 4:59:33 AM PST by stickywillie
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To: stickywillie
Kansas City RED Star anti-gun.

Of course ditto for their web site.

22 posted on 01/25/2010 5:13:04 AM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: marktwain
"Gun sales have skyrocketed since Barack Obama was elected president. It is difficult to know whether these folks think Obama will try to restrict their Second Amendment right to gun ownership or whether they are concerned about Obama being the first black man in the Oval Office."

No proof, lets just assume that all these white guys you mention at the gun show are just a bunch of hick, racist, pickup driving rednecks that hate black guys. We know which choice you believe....
23 posted on 01/25/2010 5:18:34 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: marktwain

He must be a terrible disappointment to his father,


24 posted on 01/25/2010 5:27:33 AM PST by lrb111 (resist)
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To: marktwain
I would never use my firearm to stop this guys boyfriend from being raped.
25 posted on 01/25/2010 5:27:49 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Hey John Kerry....why the long face?")
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To: marktwain

Lewis W. Diuguid Vice President, Community Resources The Kansas City Star

Most likely what the author really has a problem with is White People with guns. Face it, gun shows are whiter than a line dance after a NASCAR race.

26 posted on 01/25/2010 5:27:54 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: marktwain
I love liberal scare quotes, because they tell folks when to be afraid. Sometimes I am just not scared, and liberal scare quotes alert me to a scary thing that ought to frighten me:

...They make some people feel secure, thinking guns offer “protection.”...

there is no valid reason to put that word in quotes. Am I allowed to play also? Here is my effort:

Methinks the author is a "liberal assclown".

27 posted on 01/25/2010 5:34:52 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: marktwain
Lawful gun owners are like antibodies to the infection of crime.
Like many libs, the writer can't (or refuses to) see the difference between criminal and lawful, between aggressor and defender.
Without that important distinction, I guess you have to be a lib and against guns.

28 posted on 01/25/2010 5:35:57 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I’m betting on LIAR...


29 posted on 01/25/2010 5:40:01 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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To: marktwain
"But my experience also has been that guns get used to intimidate, threaten, injure and kill people.

When these people are trying to kill you or your family, these are not bad things.

A gun is not for play as he suggests they are serious tools for defense.

30 posted on 01/25/2010 5:47:26 AM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
HUH???? STEEL balls???

Superman.

31 posted on 01/25/2010 5:50:27 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: marktwain
The author has a serious problem with bigotry and understanding basic cause and effect.

If you've never read one of this BEM's columns, you have NO IDEA what an understatement you've just made. He's the KC Red Star's #1 hate mongering race pimp, who knows that he'd be out of a job in a second if he didn't keep stirring the pot to keep race tensions as high as possible.

BTW, his name is pronounced "Do Good." Talk about an irony!

Mark

32 posted on 01/25/2010 6:00:54 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
BEM's

Bug Eyed Monster?

33 posted on 01/25/2010 6:03:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I stopped reading things that this hate mongering race pimp writes years ago, so let me fix this for you

Most likely what the author really has a problem with is White People with guns.

There, that takes care of it.

Mark

34 posted on 01/25/2010 6:04:51 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ArrogantBustard
BEM's

Bug Eyed Monster?

Oops, sorry!

BEM == "Booger Eating Moron"

Mark

35 posted on 01/25/2010 6:11:12 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

ROFL!!!!

That makes more sense.


36 posted on 01/25/2010 6:14:43 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Face it, gun shows are whiter than a line dance after a NASCAR race.

Not around here. (Atlanta)


37 posted on 01/25/2010 6:19:36 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: marktwain
They make some people feel secure, thinking guns offer “protection.” But my experience also has been that guns get used to intimidate, threaten, injure and kill people.

What an idiot. Hammers get used this way, too. So do baseball bats.

In fact, columns like this one get used to intimidate and threaten a hell of a lot more often than guns do - even when you count action movies!

38 posted on 01/25/2010 6:29:08 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: marktwain
They make some people feel secure, thinking guns offer “protection.” But my experience also has been that guns get used to intimidate, threaten, injure and kill people.

Uh, yeah, that's why they're useful for protection. You can't "intimidate, threaten, injure or kill people" with, say, a clarinet, or a bag of peanut butter cups, which is why cops and other people don't carry those items for protection.

39 posted on 01/25/2010 6:31:48 AM PST by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: awake-n-angry
No, I am not... but I intend to protect myself, my family and my property. I am not afraid to say so in today's pc world. Do you find that offensive? If so, why?

LLS

40 posted on 01/25/2010 6:46:15 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“he’s lying through his rotten teeth.”

Liberals lie.


41 posted on 01/25/2010 9:37:31 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: CodeToad
Liberals lie.

All the time.

About everything.

Skunks stink, badgers bite, liberals lie.

It's what they do.

42 posted on 01/25/2010 9:40:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: awake-n-angry
Wow, you’re so cool.

I took it as a statement of determination for his self defense, not necessarily a brag.

If you feel owning a firearm makes you more likely to brag on internet forums, best not own one.

43 posted on 01/25/2010 9:03:22 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: LibLieSlayer

Which ones first? My thoughts are two the chest and then one to the forehead. Just a preference I guess.


44 posted on 01/27/2010 6:25:03 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: marktwain

The pussy that wrote this article is one who will depend on others who are braver to defend his candy ass!

I’d lay a paycheck he’s for gun control!


45 posted on 01/27/2010 6:31:16 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: rustyboots

:-)

LLS


46 posted on 01/28/2010 4:13:01 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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