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A slap at the Bravest (Fed judge gives Fire Dept Hiring Quota
NY Post ^ | 1/25/2010 | NY Post

Posted on 01/25/2010 5:11:21 AM PST by GreaterSwiss

The judicial keelhauling of New York's Bravest continues apace.

Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis -- without a shred of evidence that the FDNY had discriminated against minority applicants -- last week imposed strict racial hiring quotas on the department.

For every five new hires, Garaufis ordered, the department must reserve two spots for black applicants and one for Hispanic applicants -- until precisely 293 minority firefighters have been hired.

He also ruled that fully 7,400 minority applicants who took the FDNY entrance exam in 1999 and 2002 could claim monetary damages from the city.

It's a ruling as absurd as it is offensive.

Absurd -- because, despite Garaufis' pinpoint precision in judging exactly the ratios needed to satisfy the purported demands of racial justice, his evidence for actual discrimination doesn't exist.

Indeed, he ruled that merely because the test used in '99 and '02 -- which no one has demonstrated is anything but totally job-related -- didn't produce the desired racial outcome, FDNY brass must have been intentionally biased against minorities.

That's nonsense on stilts: The FDNY didn't become the best metropolitan firefighting force in the world by focusing on anything but whether applicants could do the job.

On the other hand, injecting considerations other than competence into hiring decisions is the first step down a dangerous path.

Besides, few things are more offensive to American notions of fairness and equity than strict racial quotas.

To be sure, there are probably a number of things the FDNY can do to boost the minority presence in its ranks.

But on this ruling, a vigorous appeal -- to the Supreme Court, if necessary -- is more than appropriate.

Basic fairness demands it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; blacks; bravest; latinos; racialquotas

1 posted on 01/25/2010 5:11:23 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: GreaterSwiss

What, no “gays?”


2 posted on 01/25/2010 5:14:22 AM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: GreaterSwiss

Appeal to a higher court and don’t stop until this judge is overturned!


3 posted on 01/25/2010 5:18:11 AM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: GreaterSwiss

quota’s are unconstitutional, the supreme court will slap this clown down, no need to worry.


4 posted on 01/25/2010 5:19:11 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: G Larry

It won’t take long. The supreme Court has ruled that quotas are illegal.


5 posted on 01/25/2010 5:20:58 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Truth - Reality through the eyes of God.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

The judge’s ruling is evidence that he believes blacks and Hispanics are not as intelligent as whites. Institutional racism like this should be stomped out.


6 posted on 01/25/2010 5:21:33 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Certainly wouldn't bother sending "the finest" out to Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis' neighborhood should there be problems, nor to the courthouse where he works.

He would not be impressed.

7 posted on 01/25/2010 5:22:00 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: GreaterSwiss

the keelhaulin’s going in the wrong direction here...


8 posted on 01/25/2010 5:22:41 AM PST by mo
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To: G Larry

I am a fireman and I can tell you that I will not go into a burning building with anyone that just barely passes the Firefighter coutse but is promoted because of race.
I want the best and the brightest running the show, no matter what their race is


9 posted on 01/25/2010 5:22:47 AM PST by South Dakota (Drill baby, drill)
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To: GreaterSwiss

A few weeks ago I read that the Chicago PD was considering eliminating their entrance exam because...


10 posted on 01/25/2010 5:25:26 AM PST by ComputerGuy (0bama - do we need another reason to end affirmative action?)
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To: GreaterSwiss

...my first reaction is disbelief...then a slow sadness sets in...is this the way the country is headed?...is it only going to get worse?....how did it happen that minorities get to go to the head of the line?...regardless of their performance.


11 posted on 01/25/2010 5:27:11 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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Doesn’t this already violate a SCOTUS ruling, at least in college admissions? Why wouldn’t it also cover hiring?

Mark


12 posted on 01/25/2010 5:27:37 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: All
Please Help Keep The Lights On At FR
13 posted on 01/25/2010 5:28:12 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (I Upped My Monthly Donation To FR....Now, Up Yours.....)
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To: GreaterSwiss

We’re in the Twilight Zone folks! The FDNY now has to hire minorities who didn’t to as good as the whites and Asians on the test. Why not hire midgets, 100 lb. women, disabled folks, drug addicts, and parolees? I mean let’s be politically correct.


14 posted on 01/25/2010 5:30:21 AM PST by kenmcg (uicl)
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To: MarkL

I’m sure it is going straight up the ladder (no pun intended). Too much recent case law to slap it down without prejudice (dang, I did it again!)


15 posted on 01/25/2010 5:33:04 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Dockery for Gov. - JD Hayworth - US Senate)
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To: mazda77

I think we should put quotas on SCHOOLS...they have to hire a certain percentage of CONSERVATIVES!


16 posted on 01/25/2010 5:34:59 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: mazda77

Here’s another article on the case

“A Federal judge is threatening to impose racial hiring quotas on the FDNY if the city doesn’t get moving on compensation for hundreds of minorities who suffered discrimination.

In the meantime, Judge Nicholas Garaufis ordered “priority hiring” of two blacks and one Hispanic out of every five new hires.

They will be drawn from a pool of 293 test-takers who would have gotten jobs if the Fire Department’s exams weren’t racially biased, he said.


17 posted on 01/25/2010 5:35:12 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: GreaterSwiss

What’s next, the police department has to set aside job spots for convicted felons?

This is ridiculous. This just screams to minorities that the government believes that they are substandard and can’t compete on their own.

In an attempt to create fake equality, it creates real animosity.


18 posted on 01/25/2010 5:35:19 AM PST by Molon Labbie
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To: Straight Vermonter

“judge’s ruling is evidence that he believes blacks and Hispanics are not as intelligent as whites.”

Bush labelled such patronizing paternalism “the soft bigotry of low expectations.”


19 posted on 01/25/2010 5:42:17 AM PST by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

This is what the Left has always wanted: equal outcome, not equal opportunity.


20 posted on 01/25/2010 5:46:49 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: flowerplough

There is nothing new about this. I do construction work for the government as a sub and have for many years.

Last year I was on a project and the superintendent came up to me and said..”Buddy, you gotta hire at least a few ******’s or we’re gonna have to get someone else. we have quotas to fill.”


21 posted on 01/25/2010 5:49:30 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: fwdude

Next year the gays, lesbian, transgendered.


22 posted on 01/25/2010 5:53:38 AM PST by Leisler (We are in the best of hands)
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To: flowerplough
Bush labelled such patronizing paternalism “the soft bigotry of low expectations.”

I LOVED that when I heard it, and never forgot it.

It really DOES expose the left's TRUE feelings about minorities, doesn't it?

23 posted on 01/25/2010 5:54:28 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: GreaterSwiss

The only group we can legally descriminate against are whites. Why would any white person vote Commucrat? Why not do away with all hiring criteria? Whoever walks in first gets the job.


24 posted on 01/25/2010 5:58:08 AM PST by animal172 (I'm so glad John Wayne isn't alive to see what has happened to our beloved country.)
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To: fwdude

What, no transgendered midget albinos?


25 posted on 01/25/2010 5:58:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: GreaterSwiss
For every five new hires, Garaufis ordered, the department must reserve two spots for black applicants and one for Hispanic applicants...

A little confusing. Should that say of every five new hires (2-2-1), or does it mean for every five whites (5-2-1)? I suspect the first is correct, but I confuse easily these days!

26 posted on 01/25/2010 6:01:27 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Travis McGee

I want in the NBA.


27 posted on 01/25/2010 6:03:34 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: TexasFreeper2009
quotas are unconstitutional, the supreme court will slap this clown down, no need to worry.

Yeah, but there's the expense and the delay. Also, there are some racially partisan politicians who will pressure to not appeal and use this as a legal precedent.

28 posted on 01/25/2010 6:04:07 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: South Dakota

I am a retired Firefighter and I can tell you I have been in burning buildings with unqualified people hired under affirmative action. The city hires them and you work with them, you have no choice. Some of them were not bad Firefighters.You really dont have to be real smart to enter a building that others are bailing out of.

The problem comes with promotions to drivers and Officers.

People who cannot pass a test to be appointed also cannot pass a test to operate Emrgency vehicles., They don’t properly learn their districts or study the buildings in that district.They cannot pass a test to become Fire officers.So they sit around and complain of being discriminated against.
They forget that they shouldnt have been hired to begin with. So the Fire departments start rewriting tests so that an idiot could pass them or they give preferential treatment to them to get them officers jobs. THAT is when the trouble starts.

Now you arent going into a building on fire with someone who isnt real bright,but can direct a hose stream ,or put up a ladder. Now you have an idiot in charge of you.THAT can get you killed.


29 posted on 01/25/2010 6:04:51 AM PST by Venturer
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Nicholas Garaufis nominated by WJ Clinton in 2000.


30 posted on 01/25/2010 6:06:14 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Pat Caddell: Democrats are drinking kool-aid in a political Jonestown)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Once Obama gets another Sotomayor on the court, rulings like this will be upheld.


31 posted on 01/25/2010 6:06:50 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Inwoodian

Exactly. Every NBA team needs to start 3 white guys and a mexican.


32 posted on 01/25/2010 6:16:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: GreaterSwiss
what... no girls???
33 posted on 01/25/2010 6:26:30 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GreaterSwiss

So, what if a scenario emerged where the black and hispanic candidates are substandard to the white ones? Not as qualified, test scoring not as high etc.

The public has been told to settle for less than the best all in the interest of Affirmative Action.


34 posted on 01/25/2010 6:36:04 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Prayers for the Ft. Hood families, victims and soldiers.)
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To: GreaterSwiss
SAMPLE QUESTION

1. Buffy and Chip are having a dinner party in their gentrified brownstone on Park Ave. with 5 other couples.

Candles placed too close to the curtains catch fire and by the time FDNY arrives the 1st floor is fully involved with citizens hanging from the 3rd floor windows:

A. How many forks were on the table?

B. In 500 words or less explain what wine was served with each course and why.

35 posted on 01/25/2010 6:45:53 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: muawiyah
He's a Clinton toad.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu6HStV1LrjQBlY9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1M2k2ZWkyBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01BUDAxMV8xMzI-/SIG=122r56dhu/EXP=1264518994/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Garaufis

36 posted on 01/25/2010 7:17:56 AM PST by pabianice
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To: ComputerGuy

Wel, as you know it’s been a long time since the City of Chicago burned to the ground, so it’s OK to slack off a bit.


37 posted on 01/25/2010 8:04:59 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: TexasFreeper2009
That was before the WISE LATINA was added to the mix. No telling how a new challenge will go.
38 posted on 01/25/2010 9:28:17 AM PST by Surtur (Are we on Athen's time yet?)
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To: GreaterSwiss

How do they determine what “race” is and who is who or what?


39 posted on 01/25/2010 9:43:29 AM PST by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: SharpRightTurn

I am wondering what they are supposed to do with someone like Obama, hire the black half and refuse to hire the white half?


40 posted on 01/25/2010 11:53:53 AM PST by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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