Skip to comments.A slap at the Bravest (Fed judge gives Fire Dept Hiring Quota
Posted on 01/25/2010 5:11:21 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
The judicial keelhauling of New York's Bravest continues apace.
Federal Judge Nicholas Garaufis -- without a shred of evidence that the FDNY had discriminated against minority applicants -- last week imposed strict racial hiring quotas on the department.
For every five new hires, Garaufis ordered, the department must reserve two spots for black applicants and one for Hispanic applicants -- until precisely 293 minority firefighters have been hired.
He also ruled that fully 7,400 minority applicants who took the FDNY entrance exam in 1999 and 2002 could claim monetary damages from the city.
It's a ruling as absurd as it is offensive.
Absurd -- because, despite Garaufis' pinpoint precision in judging exactly the ratios needed to satisfy the purported demands of racial justice, his evidence for actual discrimination doesn't exist.
Indeed, he ruled that merely because the test used in '99 and '02 -- which no one has demonstrated is anything but totally job-related -- didn't produce the desired racial outcome, FDNY brass must have been intentionally biased against minorities.
That's nonsense on stilts: The FDNY didn't become the best metropolitan firefighting force in the world by focusing on anything but whether applicants could do the job.
On the other hand, injecting considerations other than competence into hiring decisions is the first step down a dangerous path.
Besides, few things are more offensive to American notions of fairness and equity than strict racial quotas.
To be sure, there are probably a number of things the FDNY can do to boost the minority presence in its ranks.
But on this ruling, a vigorous appeal -- to the Supreme Court, if necessary -- is more than appropriate.
Basic fairness demands it.
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What, no “gays?”
Appeal to a higher court and don’t stop until this judge is overturned!
quota’s are unconstitutional, the supreme court will slap this clown down, no need to worry.
It won’t take long. The supreme Court has ruled that quotas are illegal.
The judge’s ruling is evidence that he believes blacks and Hispanics are not as intelligent as whites. Institutional racism like this should be stomped out.
He would not be impressed.
the keelhaulin’s going in the wrong direction here...
I am a fireman and I can tell you that I will not go into a burning building with anyone that just barely passes the Firefighter coutse but is promoted because of race.
I want the best and the brightest running the show, no matter what their race is
A few weeks ago I read that the Chicago PD was considering eliminating their entrance exam because...
...my first reaction is disbelief...then a slow sadness sets in...is this the way the country is headed?...is it only going to get worse?....how did it happen that minorities get to go to the head of the line?...regardless of their performance.
Doesn’t this already violate a SCOTUS ruling, at least in college admissions? Why wouldn’t it also cover hiring?
We’re in the Twilight Zone folks! The FDNY now has to hire minorities who didn’t to as good as the whites and Asians on the test. Why not hire midgets, 100 lb. women, disabled folks, drug addicts, and parolees? I mean let’s be politically correct.
I’m sure it is going straight up the ladder (no pun intended). Too much recent case law to slap it down without prejudice (dang, I did it again!)
I think we should put quotas on SCHOOLS...they have to hire a certain percentage of CONSERVATIVES!
Here’s another article on the case
“A Federal judge is threatening to impose racial hiring quotas on the FDNY if the city doesn’t get moving on compensation for hundreds of minorities who suffered discrimination.
In the meantime, Judge Nicholas Garaufis ordered “priority hiring” of two blacks and one Hispanic out of every five new hires.
They will be drawn from a pool of 293 test-takers who would have gotten jobs if the Fire Department’s exams weren’t racially biased, he said.
What’s next, the police department has to set aside job spots for convicted felons?
This is ridiculous. This just screams to minorities that the government believes that they are substandard and can’t compete on their own.
In an attempt to create fake equality, it creates real animosity.
“judges ruling is evidence that he believes blacks and Hispanics are not as intelligent as whites.”
Bush labelled such patronizing paternalism “the soft bigotry of low expectations.”
This is what the Left has always wanted: equal outcome, not equal opportunity.
There is nothing new about this. I do construction work for the government as a sub and have for many years.
Last year I was on a project and the superintendent came up to me and said..”Buddy, you gotta hire at least a few ******’s or we’re gonna have to get someone else. we have quotas to fill.”
Next year the gays, lesbian, transgendered.
I LOVED that when I heard it, and never forgot it.
It really DOES expose the left's TRUE feelings about minorities, doesn't it?
The only group we can legally descriminate against are whites. Why would any white person vote Commucrat? Why not do away with all hiring criteria? Whoever walks in first gets the job.
What, no transgendered midget albinos?
A little confusing. Should that say of every five new hires (2-2-1), or does it mean for every five whites (5-2-1)? I suspect the first is correct, but I confuse easily these days!
I want in the NBA.
Yeah, but there's the expense and the delay. Also, there are some racially partisan politicians who will pressure to not appeal and use this as a legal precedent.
I am a retired Firefighter and I can tell you I have been in burning buildings with unqualified people hired under affirmative action. The city hires them and you work with them, you have no choice. Some of them were not bad Firefighters.You really dont have to be real smart to enter a building that others are bailing out of.
The problem comes with promotions to drivers and Officers.
People who cannot pass a test to be appointed also cannot pass a test to operate Emrgency vehicles., They don’t properly learn their districts or study the buildings in that district.They cannot pass a test to become Fire officers.So they sit around and complain of being discriminated against.
They forget that they shouldnt have been hired to begin with. So the Fire departments start rewriting tests so that an idiot could pass them or they give preferential treatment to them to get them officers jobs. THAT is when the trouble starts.
Now you arent going into a building on fire with someone who isnt real bright,but can direct a hose stream ,or put up a ladder. Now you have an idiot in charge of you.THAT can get you killed.
Nicholas Garaufis nominated by WJ Clinton in 2000.
Once Obama gets another Sotomayor on the court, rulings like this will be upheld.
Exactly. Every NBA team needs to start 3 white guys and a mexican.
So, what if a scenario emerged where the black and hispanic candidates are substandard to the white ones? Not as qualified, test scoring not as high etc.
The public has been told to settle for less than the best all in the interest of Affirmative Action.
1. Buffy and Chip are having a dinner party in their gentrified brownstone on Park Ave. with 5 other couples.
Candles placed too close to the curtains catch fire and by the time FDNY arrives the 1st floor is fully involved with citizens hanging from the 3rd floor windows:
A. How many forks were on the table?
B. In 500 words or less explain what wine was served with each course and why.
Wel, as you know it’s been a long time since the City of Chicago burned to the ground, so it’s OK to slack off a bit.
How do they determine what “race” is and who is who or what?
I am wondering what they are supposed to do with someone like Obama, hire the black half and refuse to hire the white half?