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Food handout turns chaotic in Haitian capital
Reuters ^ | 1/26/10 | Patrick Markey and Patricia Zengerle

Posted on 01/26/2010 10:51:53 AM PST by Kartographer

The Brazilian U.N. peacekeepers used pepper spray to control a frenzied crowd of thousands of Haitians seeking food at a makeshift camp on the grounds of the palace.

"They're not violent, just desperate. They just want to eat," Brazilian Army Colonel Fernando Soares said. "The problem is, there is not enough food for everyone."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: haiti; importingdemvotes; importingpoverty; refugees
Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty Klingon.
Quark from Deep Space Nine
1 posted on 01/26/2010 10:51:54 AM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer
Let me tell you something about humans, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and as violent as the most blood-thirsty Klingon.

I guess Quark was never in the US military or even a Boy Scout...

2 posted on 01/26/2010 10:54:58 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Kartographer

Pardon my ignorance, but how can there be NO FOOD in a tropical environment which is able to produce food year round. are there no farms?

I am stunned. I understand no food in a metropolis, but are there no outlying food production areas which can bring food in or where people can go to pillage?

How is there no food? Was it all hauled onto the island with no agricultural production???????


3 posted on 01/26/2010 10:56:49 AM PST by bperiwinkle7 ( In the beginning was the WORD................)
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To: Kartographer

Coming to a country formerly known as the United States.


4 posted on 01/26/2010 10:57:31 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: 2banana

Quark was gay, so he definitely was not a boy scout.


5 posted on 01/26/2010 10:57:55 AM PST by SpinnerWebb (mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves)
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To: 2banana

Quark was a REALIST and we see evidence of his wisdom, all over the world, on a daily basis.


6 posted on 01/26/2010 10:58:35 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: bperiwinkle7

I saw an episode of Andrew Zimmer’s show on the Travel Channel where he was in Haiti and the people were making bread and stretching the batter out with mud. They baked them on hot rocks and they were eaten by the local populace. Mud bread. There was more dirt than flour in that bread...and that was before the earthquake. I can’t imagine what it must be like there now.


7 posted on 01/26/2010 11:01:01 AM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Kartographer

He who does not know history....

8 posted on 01/26/2010 11:01:24 AM PST by gaijin
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To: bperiwinkle7
Was it all hauled onto the island with no agricultural production?

Pretty much, yes.

Haiti is the poster child for the toxic effects of food aid. No farmer in the world can compete with free food.

(Of course Haiti is the poster child for the toxic effects of other things (e.g. socialism and voodoo) as well.

9 posted on 01/26/2010 11:01:59 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: bperiwinkle7

No, there is no food. They are paid to not produce food and import (read receive it for free) it. LITERALLY. And the way they got it before was with ROADS and stores and such.


10 posted on 01/26/2010 11:02:33 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I thought Quark was the Quantum Duck.

To return to the article about food shortages in Haiti; “The problem is, there is not enough food for everyone.”.

Might this unenlightened one inquire as to which way this particular post-quake day is in any way different from all other days in Haiti’s history?


11 posted on 01/26/2010 11:04:35 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: bperiwinkle7

Although, I made a post this morning that while Port Au Prince is desolate, I would have tried (had I the strength) to wander out in the wilderness of the mountains and tried to find some snakes or wildlife of some sort!

My family ate turtle, eels, possum even during the Depression. I have read stories about people in Haiti buying “dirt cookies” (literally DIRT cookies) for a nickle a piece and I’m thinking, “I would so put on a loin cloth and find some food in those mountains!”


12 posted on 01/26/2010 11:06:25 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: bperiwinkle7

They’ve deforested all the land. Google Earth satellite view them and neighboring Dominican Republic.

One knows how to farm, the others don’t.


13 posted on 01/26/2010 11:06:54 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: pgkdan

I don’t know if that is what I saw too. I think it might have been a different show. Nevertheless, they were selling “Dirt cookies”. I think the “recipe” was rancid butter, water and DIRT! this was how the unemployed and street children were making money to survive. It ripped my heart out. I even called my kids in to watch it to give them that, “don’t EVER complain about there not being “anything to eat””, speech.


14 posted on 01/26/2010 11:10:06 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Yo Barry, IF FOR 20 YEARS YOU STAY IN THE PEW, IT'S BECAUSE YOU SHARE THE VIEW!!!!!)
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To: autumnraine
Absolutely right.

What I find curious is that lately I've been hearing about how Haiti needs to make some fundamental change. What they had done is move people off the farms, cram them into Port-au-Prince and created an urban welfare society. They now seem to be urging people to go into the countryside and take up careers as farmers.

Now, I think that's probably good advice. But it sure flies in the face of what the world has been doing for 200 years.

But this seems to be the direction that the Progressives want to take us.

15 posted on 01/26/2010 11:12:44 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: bperiwinkle7

Too many people. Birth rate of 3.8. 50% of Haitians in America are on wealfare and I would guess closer to 80%.


16 posted on 01/26/2010 11:13:02 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: 2banana
I think that being a Haitian right now is a tad different than being in the US military or a Boy Scout.

And by a "tad" I mean a whole lot! How many Boy Scouts are on the verge of starvation/dehydration or live in the conditions Haitians are dealing with? My guess is not many.

17 posted on 01/26/2010 11:13:39 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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New today from the Center for Immigration studies:

Fact Sheet on Haitian Immigrants in the United States

WASHINGTON (January 25) - Since the terrible tragedy in Haiti, many have sought information about the Haitian community in the United States. Below are some basic socio-demographic statistics:

* The last Census Bureau data (2008) indicates there are 546,000 Haitian immigrants in the United States. That is up from 408,000 in 2000 and 218,000 in 1990.1

* Of the 546,000 foreign-born Haitians in the United States, 48 percent are naturalized U.S. citizens; this compares to 43 percent for the overall foreign-born population.2

* The top states of Haitian immigrant settlement are Florida (251,963; 46%), New York (135,836; 25%) New Jersey (43,316; 8%), Massachusetts (36,779; 7%), Georgia (13,287; 2%), and Maryland (11,266; 2%).3

* Our best estimate is that there are 75,000 to 125,000 illegal Haitian immigrants in the country. In 2000, the INS estimated there were 76,000 illegal Haitian immigrants.4

* When it extended Temporary Protected Status to Haitians, the Department of Homeland Security estimated 100,000 to 200,000 people could be eligible. While most are illegal immigrants, this estimate also includes those on temporary visas such as tourists, foreign students, and guest workers who will not have to go home.5

* Between 2000 and 2008, 183,188 Haitians were given green cards (permanent residence). These figures do not include those who entered on a long-term, temporary basis such as guest workers and foreign students nor does it include short term visitors like tourists. Of those given permanent residence, 135,913 (74 percent) were admitted under family-based immigration.6

* There are 310,000 U.S.-born Americans who have at least one parent born in Haiti.7

* Of Haitian immigrants (ages 25 to 65) 22 percent have not graduated from high school and 18 percent have a college degree. This compares to 9 percent and 30 percent, respectively, for native-born Americans.8

* The share of Haitian immigrants and their young children (under 18) living in poverty is 20 percent. For native-born Americans and their young children it is 11.6 percent.9

* The share of Haitian immigrants and their young children who lack health insurance is 29.5 percent. For native-born Americans and their children it is 12.6 percent.10

* Of households headed by Haitian immigrants 46 percent use at least one major welfare program. For households headed by native-born Americans it is 20 percent.11

* The share of Haitian immigrants who own their own home is 49 percent. For native-born Americans it is 69 percent.12

http://cis.org/HaitianImmigrants


18 posted on 01/26/2010 11:13:53 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Kartographer

Let them eat dirt cake.


19 posted on 01/26/2010 11:15:52 AM PST by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: autumnraine

Why? Just go in front of a CNN camera and DEMAND food from America.

I think Haitian American Peggy Joseph said it best in 2008 in West Lauderdale.

“Obama is gonna pay my mortgage and put gas in my car”

Illegal immigration or govt sponsored illegal is going to kill and bankrupt America - it killed the UK - has a few more years in the UK but it is over.


20 posted on 01/26/2010 11:16:47 AM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Kartographer

How can there be any problems with Haiti aid? Zero is in charge and he’s not going to sit around and let people suffer is he like that mean Bush did in New Orleans?


21 posted on 01/26/2010 11:18:42 AM PST by AmusedBystander (Hey Obama, even Russia and China have embraced capitalism as the road to prosperity. Give it a try!)
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I do feel sorry for those poor souls. However, at lunch today I had a BFI (brilliant flash of insight).

Why don’t we take all of the cocaine we seize and air drop it on Haiti. That way it would curb hunger and get the country re-built really fast! /s


22 posted on 01/26/2010 11:20:33 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: bperiwinkle7

23 posted on 01/26/2010 11:22:13 AM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: Frantzie
Too many people.

That's fixed now.

24 posted on 01/26/2010 11:27:37 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: AmusedBystander
"How can there be any problems with Haiti aid? Zero is in charge and he’s not going to sit around and let people suffer is he like that mean Bush did in New Orleans?"

The aide you see the people of Haiti getting right now is the same aid you can expect if SHTF where you live!

25 posted on 01/26/2010 11:30:25 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: bperiwinkle7

“Pardon my ignorance, but how can there be NO FOOD in a tropical environment which is able to produce food year round. are there no farms?”

Read this and you will know how:

http://philanthropy.com/news/updates/index.php?id=10729


26 posted on 01/26/2010 11:32:36 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: wxgesr

“I do feel sorry for those poor souls. However, at lunch today I had a BFI (brilliant flash of insight).

Why don’t we take all of the cocaine we seize and air drop it on Haiti. That way it would curb hunger and get the country re-built really fast! /s”

I think that leads to Zombieism. What a problem we would have if the undead were unfed.


27 posted on 01/26/2010 11:37:47 AM PST by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: bperiwinkle7

Maybe they should be handing out fish hooks and nets and poles to some...there’s gotta’ be fish, mussels, crabs, etc. they should be able to get???


28 posted on 01/26/2010 11:43:59 AM PST by kiltie65
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To: Kartographer

“The American-led eradication of the indigenous Creole pig to preempt an outbreak of African swine fever in the early 1980s had disastrous social and economic consequences on the livelihoods of people in rural Haiti.”

Send them some feral pigs for #&!* sakes. Texas is over run with them. That will keep the muzzies away too! Then Haiti might become the BBQ capital of the Caribbean.


29 posted on 01/26/2010 11:46:13 AM PST by Pajama Blogger (Pajama Power)
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To: bperiwinkle7

Maybe they should be handing out fish hooks and nets and poles to some...there’s gotta’ be fish, mussels, crabs, etc. they should be able to get???


30 posted on 01/26/2010 11:47:00 AM PST by kiltie65
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To: bperiwinkle7

They do not store food because of rats and such. Everyday, they seek food just for that day.


31 posted on 01/26/2010 11:50:07 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Well, given the choice of waiting for Obama and eating a feces loaded dirt “cookie”, I’d just have to take my chances in the ocean with some fish. HEY!! Speaking of which... doesn’t the name of the city itself have PORT in it?

Why is anyone starving pre-earthquake when you are SURROUNDED BY OCEAN????

Ok, I have to admit to being snookered into sympathy, and believe me, I am sympathetic to the earthquake situation. But to be on an ISLAND and claim to be STARVING... I don’t know, it just seems weird to me.


32 posted on 01/26/2010 11:52:00 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: kiltie65

In the Caribbean, you can row out a hundred feet from shore and pick conches off the sea floor. No one needs to starve there.


33 posted on 01/26/2010 11:54:17 AM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: Pajama Blogger

Zombieism schombieism....think how fast they could rebuild their houses!


34 posted on 01/26/2010 2:20:22 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: wxgesr

the adult population looks generally very well fed...maybe over fed...the children are the ones to suffer though...


35 posted on 01/26/2010 5:34:08 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

The children always suffer....it is amazing that any of us are alive.


36 posted on 01/26/2010 7:08:09 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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