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Military Uniform Regs: Expert Needed
1/26/10 | Nick Danger

Posted on 01/26/2010 12:28:00 PM PST by Nick Danger

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To: OldMissileer

Your post 23 needed some correcting and I posted to you about it, you were the one posting the boisterous, we have it toughest and we accomplished so much (when we were Army) stuff.

It wasn’t even logical. Garrison people working in cold weather versus people working, sleeping and living outdoors in it.


61 posted on 01/26/2010 2:30:20 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: vetvetdoug
There are more than enough cases of USAF men fighting with and along side Marines and Army and many cases of USAF men giving their lives to rescue Marines or members of the Army.

We both know that does not describe the Air Force in general, what are their combat losses since their creation 63 years, and several wars ago, what are the 63 years of ground combat losses, since you brought it up?

62 posted on 01/26/2010 2:36:50 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: SeaHawkFan; Nick Danger
Based on the angle of the picture it looks like the Air Force Booth is set up next to the Democrat booth. Look at the blue divider curtain, to which a white poster is attached.

Look at the pics on her table...FDR & JFK.

Besides, NickDanger says she is campaigning for a partisan political office as a Democrat and that she served six years in the air force, but is not on active duty and has not been for some time. If that is true, she's in for some trouble.

She also has the wrong color name tag on her jacket.

63 posted on 01/26/2010 2:49:57 PM PST by TankerKC (John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt should have used LifeLock®.)
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To: Nick Danger

The following is the Department of Defense instruction regarding wearing the uniform:

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/133401p.pdf

Extracts:
3.2. Former members of the Armed Forces, unless under another provision of this Instruction or under the terms of Section 772 of title 10, United States Code (reference (d)), who served honorably during a declared or undeclared war and whose most recent service was terminated under honorable conditions may wear the uniform in the highest grade held during such war service only on the following occasions and in the course of travel incident thereto:
3.2.1. Military funerals, memorial services, weddings, and inaugurals.
3.2.2. Parades on National or State holidays; or other parades or ceremonies of a patriotic character in which any Active or Reserve United States military unit is taking part.
3.2.3. Wearing of the uniform or any part thereof at any other time or for any other purposes is prohibited.


64 posted on 01/26/2010 3:02:09 PM PST by speedster
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To: ansel12

Being an all-volunteer military has everything to do with the arguments you’re presenting. If a person doesn’t want to hump a 60lb pack or strip naked to cross a river, there are alternatives. None of which make their service any less honorable.

SZ


65 posted on 01/26/2010 3:11:31 PM PST by SZonian (I see people everywhere who claim they are victims of "hatred".)
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To: All

a real vet would never treat the uniform as a prop. This is obvious a person that was let go for other than honorable reasons or an impostor.
I remember that my dad ripped my mom for altering his dress uniform for a class play. We had to go out on the Sunday before the play and find a cheap suit and glue fake patches on it.


66 posted on 01/26/2010 3:18:02 PM PST by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: SZonian

LOL, I’m not presenting an argument related to draft or volunteer service, I don’t know why you brought it up.

I was merely interjecting some reality about levels of self sacrifice. Everyone in the military and in civilian life still do their work regardless of the weather, but there is a difference between suiting up and doing your chores between hot meals and warming up in a building or a city airport setting, and working, sleeping and living in those conditions with a sleeping bag and a pup tent, and bare ground, trying to dry your clothes inside your sleeping bag at night.


67 posted on 01/26/2010 3:22:07 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

I don’t see where I said anything different than what you just posited.

The volunteer service “argument” came about as a result of comparing the hardships of the various services. If a person didn’t want to go through those hardships, they could choose differently. That’s all I was implying.

My sons goal is to join the Army. I’ve talked to him about the hardships I witnessed soldiers go through in the jungles of Panama. I’ve had him talk with prior service soldiers and Marines to get an idea of what it’s like. It has not dissuaded him one bit. For that, I am proud of him. He’s determined to reach his goal. Combat Engineer, USA. And when (hopefully) he receives his commission, I’ll be even prouder.

FRegards,
SZ


68 posted on 01/26/2010 3:28:58 PM PST by SZonian (I see people everywhere who claim they are victims of "hatred".)
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To: TankerKC

You make a very valid point.


69 posted on 01/26/2010 3:58:19 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Fee; mnehring

and violates US Code Title 10, the Hatch Act, DOD Instructions, Air Force Regulations. It is a Federal Crime.


70 posted on 01/26/2010 4:11:49 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SeaHawkFan
Based on the angle of the picture it looks like the Air Force Booth is set up next to the Democrat booth

There was no Air Force booth. The Democrat booth continued on to the right for some distance. So as not to offend Freeper sensibilities, I cropped out the life-size cardboard Obama they had over there.

And his little teleprompters, too.


71 posted on 01/26/2010 5:03:22 PM PST by Nick Danger (Free cheese is found only in mousetraps)
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To: OldMissileer

“A “well, my time was tougher...” reply to people sounds just like the types of conversations a person can hear at any grade school playground.”
I agree, which is just how you’ve been coming across, as well as the air force saved the world mentality.


72 posted on 01/26/2010 5:05:36 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

LOL! Yeah, the Air Force really isn’t the military so it’s basically a guy dressed like ralph cramden.


73 posted on 01/26/2010 5:09:45 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: TankerKC

I recommend you join The Retired Enlisted Association. Doesn’t cost very much and their journal will keep you up to date on policy changes, laws, budget actions, etc., affecting retirees.

By the way, welcome to the club!


74 posted on 01/26/2010 6:13:44 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: rabidralph
Yeah, the Air Force really isn’t the military so it’s basically a guy dressed like ralph cramden.

It's a girl...which begs the question...what service were you in? :)

75 posted on 01/26/2010 7:53:18 PM PST by TankerKC (John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt should have used LifeLock®.)
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To: TankerKC
Sorry, it looked like a guy but the face is obscured.

I was in the Navy--broadcast journalist.

76 posted on 01/26/2010 7:58:32 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: rabidralph

“Broadcast journalist”.

And you are banging on the AF for not being military!!??

What a joke!


77 posted on 01/26/2010 8:04:19 PM PST by SZonian (I see people everywhere who claim they are victims of "hatred".)
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To: vetvetdoug

Well put.


78 posted on 01/26/2010 8:05:46 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: rabidralph

All we do is drink coffee and complain when the tee times aren’t available.

The U.S. Air Force held a dignified transfer of Knightdale native Tech. Sgt. Adam Ginett’s remains on Monday.

Ginett was honored from the moment the plane landed with his casket at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base and all along the 50 mile drive to the funeral home in Fuquay-Varina.

“This is an individual who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our everyday freedoms,” SJAFB Honor Guard TSGT Stacey Hines said. “This is the least we can do is to honor him in the most respectful way possible.”

Led by dozens of members of the patriot guard on their motorcycles, the airman was taken through Wayne County, Johnston County, and to Wake County where he once called home.

“It is very emotional, because at any time that could be anyone of us, our family, our friends that are out there,” Hines said. “So, it kind of brings the war right here to your door step.”

An improvised explosive device killed the 29-year-old Jan. 19 near Kandahar Air Field, Afghanistan.

The same type of explosive the Knightdale native was tasked with discovering and disarming to protect other members of the military.

Ginett was assigned to the 31st Civil Engineer Squadron explosive ordnance disposal flight at Aviano Air Base, Italy.

The airman’s death has brought profound pain to his family. Many ask for privacy while preparing for funerals, but his parents say they have good reason for letting the public see the dignified transfer ceremony.

His mother considers it a necessary recognition of his mission.

“Trying to help these countries. Trying to help them in any way we can help them,” said Christina Kazakavage, Ginett’s mother. “And if it means the ugly side of war is what happens, it’s what happens.”

Ginett’s mother expects about 600 members of the military to join mourners for his funeral. Afterwards, he’ll be buried with full military honors.

Here are the details:

VISITATION:
Thursday, January 28, 5-8 p.m.
Thomas Funeral Home
401 N. Ennis St.
Fuquay Varina, NC 27526

FUNERAL SERVICE
Friday, January 29, 11 a.m.
St. Bernadette’s Catholic Church
1005 Wilbon Rd
Fuquay Varina, NC 27526

BURIAL
Raleigh Memorial Park
7501 Glenwood Ave
Raleigh, NC 27612

ighway of Death mission
By SMSgt. REX TEMPLE
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Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:39 PM EST
(Wardak Province, AGHANISTAN) — On a concrete basketball court, long strands of white tape formed segmented grids.

Each square grid was identified by its respective longitudinal and latitudinal degree markers. Shale rock would serve as a border outlining the planned route and signify the mountainous terrain of the Hindu Kush range. An Army Captain used a toy Jeep to demonstrate the route and the various stops that were planned.

Our Afghan National Army (ANA) counterparts watched with eager interest as the whole mission was mapped out in front of them. This battlefield drill is one of the many tools used in preparation for our upcoming mission. We were tasked to escort the Brigade ANA General throughout Wardak Province and visit numerous ANA Combat Outposts and Observation Posts.

In conjunction with a platoon of ANA soldiers and vehicles, my team would provide joint security for the general. The general wanted to meet his soldiers in person and make an assessment of their needs and quality of life issues.

Before our departure, the mission weighed heavily on my mind. We were traveling further south on Highway 1, which has been nicknamed by the U.S. soldiers as the “Highway of Death” and the Afghans refer to it as the “Highway to Hell.” Highway 1 extends 300 miles from the capital city of Kabul to Kandahar and the U.S. paid $300 million for the re-makeover.

It was originally built as a symbol of peace for a bright future and a logistical lifeline to connect the provinces with a main artery to expedite commerce, trade, and travel. But since its construction, it has become the Taliban’s number one target of opportunity. The Taliban set up impromptu roadblocks and extort, terrorize, kidnap and kill innocent local civilian travelers.

Corrupt Afghan National Police have also been known to set up armed checkpoints and shake down the travelers for money too in an effort to make up for the inadequate salaries they are paid.

It was on this same highway that 50 trucks loaded with fuel and food destined for U.S. outposts were burned and seven drivers were beheaded as a warning to those supporting the coalition forces. Even more gruesome was the Taliban’s savage act of mutilating a U.S. soldier’s body almost beyond recognition after they attacked his team with RPGs and mines.

As we began our journey further south, I kept my interval spacing from the lead ANA up-armored Humvee. When we approached certain towns, I noticed the ANA gunner took a much more defensive posture and would squat lower behind his Soviet Dshka (.50 cal equivalent) machine gun and scan the barren fields and village mud-brick houses. This coincided when I started observing the IED scars on the highway.

The pavement was irregular and it was obvious at one time an IED was emplaced in a culvert under the road. Some of the filled in craters were quite large and I can only imagine the explosion that might have taken place.

It was a bit contentious riding over these battle scarred roads. In a 15-mile stretch, I must have counted over 40 former IED pockmarks. When my MRAP rolled over the rough pavement, the contents in the vehicle would shift making an eerie bang causing my heart to skip a beat.

The sides of the highway were lined with the charred carcasses of fuel trucks and transport trucks. These burned skeletal hulls seemed to serve as a grim warning for those who might brave traveling through this region, especially the trucks who were supplying logistics to the coalition forces.

But despite these inherent dangers, our mounted combat patrol continued with our mission and visited a dozen sites.

Air Force SMSgt. Rex Temple is a 1982 graduate of Rockwood High School and the son of Maxine and Raymond “Skip” Temple of Scullton. Stationed at MacDill AFB in Tampa, Fla., Temple is on his 4th Middle East deployment at Camp Blackhorse in Afghanistan near the Pakistan border tasked with mentoring the Afghanistan National Army (ANA). More in-depth details and pictures are available on his blog at http://afghanistanmylasttour.com/

Bradley R. Smith, 24, of Troy, Ill.; senior airman, Air Force. Smith was killed Jan. 3 when a roadside bomb exploded near his vehicle near Kandahar airfield in southwest Afghanistan’s Kandahar province, on the Pakistani border. He was assigned to the 10th Air Support Operations Squadron at Ft. Riley, Kan.

Sources: Department of Defense and the Associated Press

Jan. 2010

Golfing.


79 posted on 01/26/2010 8:34:06 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: SZonian

“And you are banging on the AF for not being military!!??

What a joke!”

Not even. He and every other service member makes a difference and supports the mission.


80 posted on 01/26/2010 8:36:15 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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