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Wind's Chill Factor
Investors.com ^ | January 26, 2010 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 01/26/2010 5:09:33 PM PST by Kaslin

Energy: The government says wind power could supply the eastern half of the U.S. with a fifth of its electricity by 2024. Just don't try building wind farms where someone might see them.

A claim is contained in a new study released by the Energy Department's National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and technically it might be true. But we've heard these overblown predictions before, and experience around the world with heavily subsidized alternative energy has not worked out well.

The area in question, called the Eastern Interconnection, is a grid extending roughly from the western borders of the Plains states through to the Atlantic Coast, excluding most of Texas. It includes Nantucket, where supporters of the Cape Wind project have been tilting at windmills for years.

The Cape Wind project proposes erecting 130 wind turbines that would generate electricity equivalent to about 75% of Cape Cod's energy needs.

The best site is Horseshoe Shoal in Nantucket Sound. Unfortunately, this body of water sits between the Kerry home on Nantucket Island and the Kennedy compound at Hyannis Port on the Cape and might spoil the view.

Considering the resistance this one project has had, one wonders how you build the wind farms and the 22,697 miles of EHV (electric high voltage) transmission lines to service the Eastern Interconnection. The time frame is short: 14 years. The cost is exorbitant: $93 billion just for the transmission lines. And the question is a big one: Where do you put them for proper power reach?

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1 posted on 01/26/2010 5:09:34 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Ancient windmill technology...?

That's too modern.

I suggest the government offer tax credits for "green technology" firepits in caves.

Oh, wait...!

2 posted on 01/26/2010 5:19:30 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Kaslin

“Environmentalists” used to oppose the erection of large electricity transmission pylons & cell phone towers, on the basis that they were an ugly blight on the landscape. Now, they want to erect tens of thousands of much larger, noisier, and more intrusive wind turbines. Go figure.


3 posted on 01/26/2010 5:20:30 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Flycatcher

Surely there must be some other ancient technology we can use. Maybe oxen.


4 posted on 01/26/2010 5:22:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Plus they are proven to kill birds and bats who happen to collide with the blades. Libtards just don’t see the double standard that their ideology pushes. I think it is “quaint” that the progressives want wind turbines but nuclear is taboo.


5 posted on 01/26/2010 5:24:38 PM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: cripplecreek
Surely there must be some other ancient technology we can use. Maybe oxen.

Still too modern for the Greens.

I'm waiting for the push for Komodo Dragon-driven plows.

6 posted on 01/26/2010 5:35:01 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Kaslin

BM


7 posted on 01/26/2010 5:37:17 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Flycatcher

I don’t want windmills across the horizon. I want a nice compact coal or gas fired plant hidden behind a grove of trees where I don’t have to look at it.


8 posted on 01/26/2010 5:38:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; steelyourfaith

It took more than 8 years to approve ONE HV electric line from eastern PA through West Virgina into Virgina.

More than 8 years of government paperwork and environmental reviews, and that for a little 280 mile SINGLE LINE.

But they are going to accept this bunch of hot air for a massive ten million acre wind farm + power line birdnest of wires and towers. That - apparently - kill thousands of birds. Per windmill.


9 posted on 01/26/2010 5:38:29 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I pointed out to an anti-fossil fuels greenie that these turbines were also killing migratory birds, particularly raptors. I think scientists are investigating the impact on bats, too. Her response—”The birds will just have to learn to fly somewhere else.” These people are beyond belief.


10 posted on 01/26/2010 5:44:39 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: dumpthelibs
Libtards just don’t see the double standard that their ideology pushes. I think it is “quaint” that the progressives want wind turbines but nuclear is taboo.

Of all the lib groups, only the Audubon Society has the common sense to oppose wind power. That makes the first time that the Audubon Society has ever been right about anything. (I would know.)

As a side note, in addition to killing birds by the tens of thousands, wind power has to be -- hands down -- the ugliest blight on the land. Why the treehuggers should desire the gorgeous American landscape to be covered from mountain top to coastal plain with 200 ft. humming monstrosities escapes me, but pretty much everything they advocate escapes me.

Thanks for your post.

11 posted on 01/26/2010 5:44:45 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: cripplecreek
I want a nice compact coal or gas fired plant hidden behind a grove of trees where I don’t have to look at it.

I want three. But I'm greedy.

12 posted on 01/26/2010 5:46:43 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Kaslin
Wind power is a complete disaster

Denmark, the world’s most wind-intensive nation, with more than 6,000 turbines generating 19% of its electricity, has yet to close a single fossil-fuel plant. It requires 50% more coal-generated electricity to cover wind power’s unpredictability, and pollution and carbon dioxide emissions have risen (by 36% in 2006 alone).

13 posted on 01/26/2010 5:56:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Good lord. 6000 turbines in a country the size of Denmark makes them completely inescapable.


14 posted on 01/26/2010 6:03:53 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: cripplecreek
Good lord. 6000 turbines in a country the size of Denmark makes them completely inescapable.

Not to mention the fact that it takes 50% more coal to run the grid with them on.

That's a net efficiency of -50%, without even taking into account that wind-generated electricity is orders-of-magnitude more expensive than coal-generated electricity.

15 posted on 01/26/2010 6:12:15 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Kaslin
Wind power will triple the cost.
16 posted on 01/26/2010 6:20:01 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t want windmills across the horizon. I want a nice compact coal or gas fired plant hidden behind a grove of trees where I don’t have to look at it.

Awwww...c'mon now......they blend into the landscape so well, you can hardly tell they're there

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17 posted on 01/26/2010 6:25:43 PM PST by digger48
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To: Flycatcher

I want a nice compact coal or gas fired plant hidden behind a grove of trees where I don’t have to look at it.

I want one of those new micro nuke plants hidden behind some shrubs.


18 posted on 01/26/2010 6:27:33 PM PST by yawningotter
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To: digger48

Looks like a Maginot Line up in the air.

Ugh!


19 posted on 01/26/2010 6:34:13 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Kaslin

Even the Cape Cod Times!
The Real Cost of Wind

...National Grid currently pays 9.2 cents a kilowatt-hour for electricity from coal, natural gas and nuclear generators, which it distributes in Rhode Island. It will pay Deepwater Wind 24.4 cents in the first year of the contract, plus an escalation of 3.5 percent a year for the 20-year term....

http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091213/OPINION/912130334/-1/NEWSMAP


20 posted on 01/26/2010 6:40:49 PM PST by capecodder
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

“Not in my neighborhood sez the Kennedy family” ping.


21 posted on 01/26/2010 7:01:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: yawningotter
I want one of those new micro nuke plants hidden behind some shrubs.

Yet again, I want three! lol

22 posted on 01/26/2010 7:03:48 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: dumpthelibs
" Plus they are proven to kill birds and bats who happen to collide with the blades. Libtards just don’t see the double standard that their ideology pushes. I think it is “quaint” that the progressives want wind turbines but nuclear is taboo."

It's not that they don't see, or blind to it, even though they see, yet, they are still blind to the truth.... they are stiffed necked and refuse to see the truth.
To them, collateral damage is acceptable, as long as they are the ones who are doing it, and as long as they have the rod of iron ruling over others.
Don't do as I do, do as I say for you to do...
23 posted on 01/30/2010 8:13:29 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Flycatcher
For the modern day term ( 40 acres and a mule ) 3 new nuclear power plants for each state in 10 years !!
24 posted on 01/30/2010 8:15:20 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: digger48
What are they going to do when there is a wind drought ?

Liberals love being in the ( Dark ) ness.
25 posted on 01/30/2010 8:17:36 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Flycatcher
" I want one of those new micro nuke plants hidden behind some shrubs.

Yet again, I want three! lol "

After all ? it is " GREEN ( glowing in the dark green ) POWER " .....
You can even sit out at night with your lawn chairs and watch them glow in the dark .
26 posted on 01/30/2010 8:21:51 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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