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ACORN foe James O'Keefe arrested by FBI in plot to bug Landrieu's office
Washington Post ^ | 1/26/10

Posted on 01/26/2010 6:43:50 PM PST by FromLori

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To: FromLori

Boy this is getting instantaneous coverage in every area of the MSM. Some of these media sources have still not reported on climategate.


51 posted on 01/26/2010 7:34:09 PM PST by Revel
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To: Palladin

Your statement that a conservative does not break the law is exactly what then? A conservative who breaks the law is a conservative who broke the law. His political leanings are not at issue. He’s exactly what you said in this post, “a grandstanding dumb kid with a phone camera.” He may be a dumb conservative, but I don’t know how you arrive at your previous conclusion.


52 posted on 01/26/2010 7:35:22 PM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: USALiberty

Totally agree. Looks like a trap. But here’s hoping these young people had the sense to have backup protection material. But, the other thing is, they are in Dixie Mafia territory where they kill for the fun of it - and they especially go after judges and LEO’s either with bribes or violence or both.

We need to pray for the safety of these guys....pray that they get good defense attorneys immediately and have some kind of protection around them at all times.

NEVER take something like this at face value - not in these times.


53 posted on 01/26/2010 7:35:45 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: gaijin

“I’m with O’Keefe, I’m with those kids 1,000 times over.”

Agreed. If he did something stupid, so be it. He’s still OK in my book and deserves our full support. In prison or out!


54 posted on 01/26/2010 7:38:49 PM PST by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: USALiberty
Can you say political prosecution? James O’Keefe is getting a little “payback” from the Justice Dept. minions of the Kenyan Usurper.\

Can you say "moron"? O'Keefe personally torpedoes ACORN, BO's long time supporters, for whom he litigated back in the 1990s, on whom the Democrats had counted for government funded vote fraud in 2010. O'Keefe then conspires to enter the office of a Democrat Senator, in a famously corrupt Democrat town, and commit multiple, apparently politically motivated, Federal felonies?

As Joe Pesci's character said in the movie Casino this guy is just beggin' to be made an example of

I'm afraid Eric Holder, and company, will oblige him. Memo to Freepers: If you you pull a high profile stunt, that seriously embarrasses the Democrat Party, while the Democrat Party controls the Justice Department, you better keep your nose clean. Do file your taxes on times, and have documentation for every deduction. Do not exaggerate your income by even a nickle on an application for a federally funded, or federally guaranteed, loan. Do not develop a taste for Cuban cigars, or collect exotic pets that need a federal license to be legal.

Oh, and don't get caught even possibly conspiring to bug the office of a Democrat Senator, in a Federal Building, in a Democrat town.

55 posted on 01/26/2010 7:38:50 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: FromLori
“This is a very unusual situation and somewhat unsettling for me and my staff,” said Landrieu in a statement released Tuesday evening. “The individuals responsible have been charged with entering federal property under false pretenses for the purposes of committing a felony.

Oh, I don't know... is that anything like entering federal property to vote "aye" for a huge bribe?

56 posted on 01/26/2010 7:39:51 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: OldDeckHand
And a "telephone repairman" costume is what?

Been around a lot of these guys over the years and I really don't recall any sort of "costume".

57 posted on 01/26/2010 7:40:51 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: gaijin

Right you are —the big story now is not simply that security is bad, but that it seems like it CANNOT improve; the WH party crashers, PantyBomber, AfghanJordanBoomBoy, airport rope-line ducker, etc....

But the security of Capitol Hill somehow remained magically untouched, and James went up there with his trusty toolbox (and camcorder) to cook up some SacredCow burgers.

And during the initial recon the heat burned him, bugged him, then sat back for the main op to commence:

1. They’d foil an attempted penetration

2. They’d shore up their cred with Obama

The FBI managed to stop...THE HARDY BOYS WITH X-RAY GOGS...!


58 posted on 01/26/2010 7:41:06 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Tzimisce
They were INVITED IN. That's the correct route. Obviously Jefferson and his people didn't invite them in, and the FBI couldn't get an invite from the Speaker of the House. You'll notice Nancy Pelosi didn't give them an invite either.

Since these guys presented no threat to anyone, commited no crimes, and were simply visiting a Senator's field office and didn't go any further than the reception area (where even you can go), this case will turn to poop in a couple of days.

59 posted on 01/26/2010 7:43:20 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
"Think about it - these young guys aren’t stupid, just gutsy!!! Of course they know the law!

Ah, no. They clearly had never heard of "two-party" consent laws when they made their original documentaries. Any competent media attorney would have told them what states to avoid when embarking on such an investigative story. Clearly, they stepped in it there precisely because they didn't know the law.

60 posted on 01/26/2010 7:44:44 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: piasa

Moon Landrieu’s corrupt daughter really has no room to talk when it comes to crime. She’s the ultimate criminal Fur Shur.


61 posted on 01/26/2010 7:45:25 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: FromLori

Whether it had anything or not to do with his arrest....I’d bet dollars to donuts after his last sting...”bammy bugged his phones....right to Rahm’s desk...


62 posted on 01/26/2010 7:46:07 PM PST by mo
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To: txhurl

Oh well, we’ve still got Hannah. She’s hotter, anyway.


63 posted on 01/26/2010 8:01:26 PM PST by jyoders19
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To: FromLori

Seems many here read the gubmints account, and immediately depict or believe the young man is guilty.


64 posted on 01/26/2010 8:03:38 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: FromLori

"EXTREMISM IN DEFENSE OF LIBERTY IS NO VICE"


65 posted on 01/26/2010 8:03:45 PM PST by LibFreeUSA
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To: FromLori

I don’t know what the real story is on this, but ten years in prison? That’s longer than Dan White got for shooting to death two Democrat politicians.


66 posted on 01/26/2010 8:04:50 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: jyoders19

I am not worried one bit about James. You can be sure he has mentors and lawyers extensively review every action he plans.

I mean, he’s taking on Chicago, INC. The kid goes where angels fear to tread, and he ain’t gonna be stupid and wind up behind bars.


67 posted on 01/26/2010 8:08:03 PM PST by txhurl
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To: OldDeckHand

how did the fbi happen to be there to arrest them?
why would the fbi even be on to something this lame?
sounds like holder and white house set up these guys.


68 posted on 01/26/2010 8:08:18 PM PST by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: Will88

Even if he did this stupid thing, that does NOT mean ACORN is spotless.


69 posted on 01/26/2010 8:09:23 PM PST by avalon
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To: FromLori
"I am as interested as everyone else about their motives and purpose, which I hope will become clear as the investigation moves forward.”

Ha. You're not going to like the answers, Mary, because once the truth spills out, you may find yourself without a job.

May the Almighty YHWH stand with James O'Keefe and protect him, and may the truth reign. Amen.

70 posted on 01/26/2010 8:14:52 PM PST by pray4liberty (Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.)
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To: gussiefinknottle
Did you even read the FBI affidavit?

how did the fbi happen to be there to arrest them?

It's simple. Landrieu's staff called the FBI when they suspected something was wrong. I suspect when a Senator's office telephones the FBI to report suspicious activity, the FBI responds post haste.

why would the fbi even be on to something this lame?

Because any possibly criminal activity at the office of a sitting US Senator would be investigated by the FBI.

sounds like holder and white house set up these guys.

Adjust your tin-foil hat. How does Eric Holder get O'Keefe and his colleagues - two of which are dressed in "repairman" garb - to enter a US Senator's office and misrepresent themselves as telephone repairmen?

71 posted on 01/26/2010 8:15:42 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: LibFreeUSA
"EXTREMISM IN DEFENSE OF LIBERTY IS NO VICE"

What an awful mistake the country made in 1964.

72 posted on 01/26/2010 8:16:21 PM PST by Ken H (Debt free is the way to be)
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To: avalon
Even if he did this stupid thing, that does NOT mean ACORN is spotless.

Who has said that ACORN is spotless? But it sure seems a little reckless to have gotten involved in more intrigue while their ACORN operation is still very much being kicked around in the news and in the legal system.

73 posted on 01/26/2010 8:16:47 PM PST by Will88
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To: txhurl

When you read the FBI agent’s affidavit you see that he (O’Keefe) told “Witness 1”, a member of Landrieu’s staff, he was waiting for someone to arrive and was there before the other walked in. There’s no mention as to when or how the FBI was informed nor is there any evidence that O’Keefe or Flanigan or anybody for that matter were dealing with any “bugs” or listening devices. Also, according to the FBI agent’s affidavit, two individuals pretended to be phone company employees with the intention of bugging the phones but, aside from handling a phone in the office and going to the main office phone box there’s no evidence or proof that the intended to do anything of the sort. Right now they are only guily of gaining unlawful access to a federal building by portraying themselves as phone company workers.


74 posted on 01/26/2010 8:25:09 PM PST by blake6900
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To: blake6900

...and I’m guilty of bad typing. Sorry.


75 posted on 01/26/2010 8:27:56 PM PST by blake6900
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To: blake6900

We will see what a jury made up of O’Keefe’s peers in Orleans Parish has to say about the incident.


76 posted on 01/26/2010 8:41:29 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: OldDeckHand
My guess is that they were simply trying to catch Landrieu's office in an embarassing security lapse. That may not do them much good, however.

How this plays out depends on the federal prosecutor for the jurisdiction. It could get pretty ugly for these guys.

77 posted on 01/26/2010 8:45:53 PM PST by Ken H (Debt free is the way to be)
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To: blake6900

Right now they are only guily of gaining unlawful access to a federal building by portraying themselves as phone company workers.


Exactly.

Right now technically James can bring his ACORN sting into the case, along with more *discovery* from this case.

Are the RATS prepared for this migraine? Right around primary elections? I suggest not.


78 posted on 01/26/2010 8:47:37 PM PST by txhurl
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To: pray4liberty

Between the Republican Federal Prosecuter in New Orleans and a local a jury, i’m sure they will find the truth.


79 posted on 01/26/2010 9:14:30 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: FromLori

I think O’keefe’s plan is working exactly how he wanted it to work. Any person that has kept abreast of his appearances would probably think the same thing.


80 posted on 01/26/2010 9:16:05 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: pray4liberty

Between the Republican Federal Prosecuter in New Orleans and a local a jury, i’m sure they will find the truth.


81 posted on 01/26/2010 9:17:19 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Palladin
Bears repeating:

His ego has outweighed his common sense.

82 posted on 01/26/2010 9:17:34 PM PST by It's me
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To: txhurl
"Right now technically James can bring his ACORN sting into the case, along with more *discovery* from this case."

I'm not sure how many cases you've prosecuted, but I've prosecuted a bunch. I can't see any way ACORN - in any manner - comes into this "case", whatever this case is. Furthermore, if you think that discovery will yield a trove of treasure with respect to either ACORN or information about Mary Landriue's goings-on, you have absolutely no idea how discovery works.

83 posted on 01/26/2010 9:19:36 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: blake6900
"Right now they are only guily of gaining unlawful access to a federal building by portraying themselves as phone company workers."

Right now they're looking at ten years each - perhaps more if they find themselves at the business end of an enterprising prosecutor. Just wait until the grand jury is involved.

This was stupid, stupid, stupid. Any competent attorney who had even a little experience in media cases could have given them badly needed advice with their last set of adventures, and told them - unequivocally - that playing college pranks in a Senator's official offices is a big time no-no.

84 posted on 01/26/2010 9:24:28 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Depends on the jury.. if there IS one..... ha ha.


85 posted on 01/26/2010 9:25:48 PM PST by txhurl (O'Keefe has some Freeper rats worried.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Why don’t we just wait and see. The only info we have is from the MSM. Remember when the AP reported the Weekly Standard reporter “slipped and fell” when the video clearly showed him being pushed. There’s video to this too and my guess is many here are jumping the gun here.


86 posted on 01/26/2010 9:35:36 PM PST by blake6900
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To: txhurl
"Depends on the jury.."

Depends on the jury? What? Juries don't make determinations with respect to discovery motions, judges do. In criminal cases, discovery refers to the mandated sharing of information between prosecution and defense. Any information, to include exculpatory information held by the prosecution, must be shared with the defense.

Subpoenas issued for personal or confidential information - to especially include the victim(s) - may only be done so with a court order. Before such an order is granted, the victim may move to quash such a subpoena.

87 posted on 01/26/2010 9:39:38 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
I can't see any way ACORN - in any manner - comes into this "case", whatever this case is.

What if O'Keefe has evidence of wrongdoing between ACORN and Landrieu? After all, ACORN is based in New Orleans.

88 posted on 01/26/2010 9:40:17 PM PST by blake6900
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To: blake6900
"The only info we have is from the MSM."

No, we have the a copy of the actual sworn affidavit by the investigating officer. In my professional opinion - even in the absence of grand jury investigation - the people's case is on the stronger side. The agent has attested that at least two of the accused have confessed to gaining entry under false pretenses.

There's no allowable affirmative defense that says - "Hey, but we meant well" That's arguing for jury nullification, and it's illegal. Having said that, I doubt that the prosecutor will take them to the wall over this - unless of course they actually develop compelling evidence that they were trying to bug the place. I think a more likely outcome is a plea agreement to some misdemeanor(s) and a fine.

89 posted on 01/26/2010 9:45:59 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

My point being there will be be no prosecution, ergo no jury.

Do you REALLY think an accomplished sting operator goes for even bigger fish on a whim, with no legal direction?

Like he just got lazy or stupid or something once he accomplished, publicly, his first goal?

Hopefully he can drop what he’s got prior to the state of the bozo address tomorrow.


90 posted on 01/26/2010 9:48:52 PM PST by txhurl (O'Keefe has some Freeper rats worried.)
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To: blake6900
"What if O'Keefe has evidence of wrongdoing between ACORN and Landrieu? After all, ACORN is based in New Orleans."

It would have to be VERY compelling evidence for a judge to allow a jury to hear it. Even then, one crime doesn't excuse another, so it's relevance to their guilt or innocence is suspect, if also possibly beneficial at sentencing.

There are PLENTY of cases where FBI agents broke wiretapping laws on some very bad people who I'm sure that were guilty of some very bad things, but that doesn't inoculate the FBI agents from the crime of an illegal wiretap.

91 posted on 01/26/2010 9:50:49 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: txhurl
"Do you REALLY think an accomplished sting operator goes for even bigger fish on a whim, with no legal direction?"

He clearly didn't consult with counsel prior to his last round of documentaries. If he had, he wouldn't have recorded conversations in states requiring "two or all party" consent. It's not even my area of practice, and I was WELL aware of the legal limitations of surreptitious recordings of in-person conversations. I would hope that he would have learned his lesson, but this doesn't seem likely as he's already been arrested.

92 posted on 01/26/2010 9:54:46 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
I've read the affidavit and, yes, Flanagan and Basel apparently admitted to impersonating phone employess. But the agenet also says O'Keefe and Dai aided and abetted them "to permit the entry for the purpose of interfering with the phone system". As a prosecutor, does "intefering" mean planting a bug? Or could it be any number of things?

Getting back to ACORN as I asked before: What if O'Keefe has evidence of wrongdoing between ACORN and Landrieu? Or at least evidence of a relationship between the two? After all, ACORN is based in New Orleans. Would it be possible to somehow bring that in as evidence and hence bring in ACORN itself?

Perhaps the Senator was using her office to help ACORN inappropriately in there litigation dealings with O'Keefe. I'm not an attorney so I call upon your expertise.

93 posted on 01/26/2010 9:57:44 PM PST by blake6900
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To: OldDeckHand

I guess what I’m saying is regardless of the legalities of impersonating phone company employees, maybe O’Keefe and friends simply wanted to appear to be bugging the phones. For what reason, I’ve no idea but I think there’s way more to this than meets the eye.


94 posted on 01/26/2010 10:00:59 PM PST by blake6900
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To: blake6900
"As a prosecutor, does "intefering" mean planting a bug? Or could it be any number of things?"

No. In fact, if they had established (or do establish) that they were in possession of an actual listening device, the the charges and corresponding penalties become much worse. I don't have the relevant statutes memorized, but "interfering" comes in the same section as "tampering with", which could mean either destroying, disabling or otherwise interfering with the operation of equipment.

"Would it be possible to somehow bring that in as evidence and hence bring in ACORN itself?"

Highly unlikely.

95 posted on 01/26/2010 10:02:35 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: blake6900
"maybe O’Keefe and friends simply wanted to appear to be bugging the phones."

Now, that is likely. I would be surprised beyond all description if they were actually trying to bug - or even really interfere with - the Senator's phone system. I can't believe they'd be that stupid. But, that doesn't mean that whatever they did, no matter how well-intentioned, wasn't violating the letter of the law.

This really will come down to how motivated the US Attorney is, and how pissed Landrieu is. If she wants to make this an issue, look out. It is VERY difficult to escape the fangs of a prosecutor with the taste for your blood - just ask Scooter Libbey.

96 posted on 01/26/2010 10:06:42 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: blake6900

Some people are anxious for O’Keefe’s VERITAS, some people dread it.

The ones who dread it on this thread and others regarding the case... well, I think they doth protest too much.


97 posted on 01/26/2010 10:06:42 PM PST by txhurl (O'Keefe has some Freeper rats worried.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Highly unlikely.

OK...thanks for the info. BTW, is this affidavit typical of an FBI affidavit? In other words, is it usual for it to be so vague as to times and places, when or how the FBI was informed of a possible crime, etc. It seems rather poorly written and not extremely detailed.

98 posted on 01/26/2010 10:06:50 PM PST by blake6900
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To: blake6900
"OK...thanks for the info. BTW, is this affidavit typical of an FBI affidavit? In other words, is it usual for it to be so vague as to times and places, when or how the FBI was informed of a possible crime, etc. It seems rather poorly written and not extremely detailed. "

Yep, very typical. This isn't the indictment. This is just an affidavit establishing probable cause so that the magistrate will issue an arrest warrant. With this affidavit, he meets probable cause, easily and that ALL he's looking for.

99 posted on 01/26/2010 10:11:22 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Thanks. It’s been a pleasure.


100 posted on 01/26/2010 10:12:59 PM PST by blake6900
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