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More bogus AGW information in IPCC report? ( Now about the Data regarding the Amazon ...)
Hot Air ^ | January 26, 2010 12:55 pm | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 01/26/2010 9:16:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

The UN’s team on climate change, the IPCC, has had a rather bad few months.  First came the uncovered e-mails from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit, a key research organization for the IPCC,  that showed deception and professional character assassination by so-called scientists attempting to block data and analyses that contradicted the CRU conclusions on anthropogenic global warming (AGW).  Next, a scandal hit closer to home when the IPCC’s reliance on a theory of dissipating Himalyan glaciers turned out to be unscientific speculation — that the IPCC badly misquoted anyway.  Now the Telegraph’s James Delingpole reports that another key claim by the IPCC also comes from non-peer-reviewed work by scientists operating out of their field of work:

Here’s the latest development, courtesy of Dr Richard North – and it’s a cracker. It seems that, not content with having lied to us about shrinking glaciers, increasing hurricanes, and rising sea levels, the IPCC’s latest assessment report also told us a complete load of porkies about the danger posed by climate change to the Amazon rainforest.

This is to be found in Chapter 13 of the Working Group II report, the same part of the IPCC fourth assessment report in which the “Glaciergate” claims are made. There, is the startling claim that:

“Up to 40%of theAmazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation; this means that the tropical vegetation, hydrology and climate system in South America could change very rapidly to another steady state, not necessarily producing gradual changes between the current and the future situation (Rowell and Moore, 2000). It is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems that have more resistance to multiple stresses caused by temperature increase, droughts and fires, such as tropical savannas.”

At first sight, the reference looks kosher enough but, following it through, one sees:

Rowell, A. and P.F. Moore, 2000: Global Review of Forest Fires. WWF/IUCN,

Gland, Switzerland, 66 pp. http://www.iucn.org/themes/fcp/publications
/files/global_review_forest_fires.pdf.

This, then appears to be another WWF report, carried out in conjunction with the IUCN – The International Union for Conservation of Nature.

The WWF is not a university or research center.  It is the World Wildlife Fund, an environmentalist advocacy group, one best known here for having an agency that produced and distributed (without the WWF’s permission) an ad that used 9/11 as a way to accuse people of committing terrorism against the planet.  Dr. Rowell works on policy analysis, not research.   PF Moore isn’t a scientist at all; he’s a “green activist” and a reporter for the Guardian newspaper.  And not only is this work not peer-reviewed and not conducted by environmental scientists in a normal research model, Dr. North can’t even find the claim that 40% of the rainforest is at risk over slightly reduced precipitation in any of WWF’s own research.

How did the IPCC come to include this claim in its report to the UN?  Supposedly, all of the underlying data is supposed to be peer-reviewed, legitimate research by professional scientists and not advocates.  Yet within nine days we have seen two of its major claims turn out to be anecdotal speculation based on nothing at all.  It goes right along with those Himalayan glaciers that were supposedly going to disappear within 25 years — at best, speculation that the IPCC falsely presented as scientific research, and likely a large load of carbon-rich effluvium.

Speaking of the glaciers, I Hate The Media has twelve glaciers that haven’t gotten the IPCC’s marching orders yet.  Most interesting: the new glacier forming in the concave top of Mount St. Helens in Washington.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazongate; catastrophism; climatechange; climatechangedata; climategate; climategatecom; glaciergate; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; ipcc; pachaurigate; wwf

1 posted on 01/26/2010 9:16:20 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act


2 posted on 01/26/2010 9:17:15 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The dimoKKKRATS with Al Gore in the lead have been pushing this global warming junk science from the getgo. We should be able to hang this farce around their necks.


3 posted on 01/26/2010 9:18:40 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: gibtx2

Sounds good.


4 posted on 01/26/2010 9:19:02 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: xcamel; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; Oynx

fyi


5 posted on 01/26/2010 9:19:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

3 billion in rainy day fund, conservative governor, no state taxes.. pretty much let you alone..


6 posted on 01/26/2010 9:20:35 PM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting reading. “Saving the environment” is a cash cow for crooks — nothing more.


7 posted on 01/26/2010 9:20:41 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

THe World Wildlife Federation once was a reputable group. Now they have sold their soul to the devil (aka Al Gore) and his theology, “global warming.”

No contributions from me anymore.

My wife even worked for them (National Wildlife Federation, US branch) back in the 70’s. Oh the horror of it.


8 posted on 01/26/2010 9:23:46 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is why I love FR - all the info gathered from all over the web at my fingertips.

Thanks

Mel


9 posted on 01/26/2010 9:31:22 PM PST by melsec
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To: melsec
I was going to post the info from the last link regarding the 12 Glaciers that are growing...but FR doesn't care for the website.

About to post the one on Mount Shasta here in California....it seems to be growing.

10 posted on 01/26/2010 9:34:50 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: melsec; GeronL; AuntB; tubebender
Mount Shasta glaciers growing, despite warming
11 posted on 01/26/2010 9:47:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Its all a lie from one to the other


12 posted on 01/26/2010 9:53:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Kickass.


13 posted on 01/26/2010 10:02:07 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: All
Related thread:

IPCC didn't research Amazon climate change

14 posted on 01/26/2010 10:07:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

” This, then appears to be another WWF report, “

When will the UN realize that Pro Wrestling is FIXED?


15 posted on 01/26/2010 10:09:47 PM PST by Humble Servant (see y'all in the Gulag.)
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To: All
Related thread:

Climategate Redux: IPCC Forced to Retract Alarming 2007 Warming Report ( IPCC Chairman - Pachauri)

Specific the report on the Himalayan Glaciers was bogus.

16 posted on 01/26/2010 10:11:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
BWAHAAAA...I found the paper:

Rowell, Andy ; Moore, Peter F. WWF, Forests for Life ; IUCN, Forest Conservation Programme:WWF; IUCN, 2000. 64p

17 posted on 01/26/2010 10:19:36 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
a complete load of porkies

Gotta love British slang.

18 posted on 01/26/2010 10:22:30 PM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: I got the rope
Thanks...

************************66 pages***********************

Preface

The forest fires of 1997 and 1998 created enormous ecological damage and human suffering and helped focus world attention on what is an increasing problem. In December 1997, WWF issued a report entitled “The Year the World Caught Fire.” At the time Claude Martin, Director General of WWF, said:

“This is not just an emergency, it is a planetary disaster. As the guilty are identified and the blame is apportioned, we must ensure that national and international responses go further than identifying a few scapegoats. This must never be allowed to happen again”.

There is growing feeling within WWF and IUCN that action is needed to try and catalyse a strategic international response to forest fires. There are no “magic bullets” for forest fires. The issues to be addressed are complex and cut across sectors, interests, donors, professions, regions, nations and communities. The organisations feel that action only takes place when fires are burning and that little attempt has been made to address the underlying causes.

This report is therefore issued as a follow-up to the 1997 report. It is part of an on-going programme of work by the two organisations to address forest fires. In early 1998 IUCN - the World Conservation Union and WWF - The World Wide Fund For Nature, joined forces in developing a Programme for “Strengthening National, Regional and International Networks for Forest Fire Prevention and Management, world-wide”.

This “FireFight” Programme seeks to secure essential policy reform at national and international level to provide a legislative and economic base for controlling harmful anthropogenic forest fires. The programme is intended as a contribution to efforts by national governments, and international organisations such as UNDP, FAO, UNEP and ASEAN, to establish more effective fire management and strategic, preventative responses.

It will mobilise the in-country and international staff of IUCN and WWF and contribute their scientific, environmental, legal and communications skills to develop an integrated policy response. It will cover five major regions of the world, Asia, Central and South America, Russia, the Mediterranean and the Sub-Saharan Africa.

Programme “FireFight” is being implemented in collaboration with regionally based WWF and IUCN staff and in close consultation with key UN agencies such as UNDP, FAO and UNEP. It covers a wide range of activities from analysis of the costs of fires and improved understanding of underlying causes, through to policy dialogue and follow up action.

*****************************************************

See the PDF for more.

19 posted on 01/26/2010 10:24:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: I got the rope
From page 14....in bold red in the right margin....:

it looks like rising temperatures caused by climate change could cause the El Niño to become more frequent and intense. These El Niño events could in turn cause further climate change. The daunting fact is that the world faces a positive feedback cycle in which climate change exacerbated by forest fires and deforestation, increases the frequency of El Niño, which in turn causes more forest burning.

20 posted on 01/26/2010 10:29:47 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ugh...I had to put this down for a second. I’ve been reading so many papers by the WWF lately my head is about to explode. Just a minute...going for more coffee...


21 posted on 01/26/2010 10:42:03 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
"...climate change could cause..."

--------------------------

Ahh... that "could" word again.
It seem to have a different meaniing when used in an IPCC/AWG report....:^)

22 posted on 01/26/2010 10:52:56 PM PST by az_gila (AZ - one Governor down... we don't want her back...)
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To: az_gila
From the paper:

Two important pieces of scientific evidence are emerging which should revolutionise the forest fire debate and move it from being seen as a peripheral environmental, social and economic issue into a central issue of concern for the international community.

Firstly, there is mounting evidence that forest fires will increase in number and size due to a link between climate change and the climate phenomenon called El Niño, which caused the drought that affected much of the forests which caught fire in 1997 and 98. The frequency and intensity of El Niño could be increasing1, which means the world faces warmer more violent weather, and more forest fires.

Second, while some experts believe that it is too early to say when the next El Niño will occur, others say it might be within eighteen months, it will likely be before the forests that burnt last time have had a chance to recover. New evidence from the Amazon has concluded that fire causes a positive feedback cycle in which the more tropical forests burn the more susceptible to future burning they become. This raises the possibility of large wildfire episodes happening more frequently and on such a scale that tropical forest ecosystems will not endure. The scientists believe the whole Amazon itself is threatened, which has global consequences for biodiversity and climate change2

1 K. E. Trenberth & T. J. Hoar, The 1990-1995 El Niño-Southern Oscillation Event: Longest on Record, Geophysical Research Letters, 1996, Vol. 23, No. 1, pp57-60; K. E. Trenberth, and T. J. Hoar. El Niño and Climate Change, Geophysics Research Letters, 1997, Vol. 24, no.23, pp.3057-3060

2 D. C. Nepstad, A. G. Moreira, & A. A. A l e n c a r, Flames in the Rain Forest: Origins, Impacts and Alternatives to Amazonian Fire, Pilot Program to Conserve the Brazilian Rain Forest. Ministry of Environment, Secretariat for the Co-ordination of the Amazon, 1999

Let's look up these two references. I already know that Trenberth is implicated in the climategate email scandal.

23 posted on 01/26/2010 11:07:29 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: az_gila

ROTFLMAO!!!!

#2 WAS WRITTEN BY WOODS HOLE RESEARCH CENTER!!!!

John Holdren...Obama’s Science Advisor used to run this group.

http://www.fire.uni-freiburg.de/iffn/pub/pub_8.htm


24 posted on 01/26/2010 11:13:30 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping to this one


25 posted on 01/26/2010 11:15:02 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Never let a good crisis go to waste by not using it to raid and rob all the villages."

26 posted on 01/27/2010 3:03:53 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Desdemona; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; mmanager; enough_idiocy; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 01/27/2010 4:05:57 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I would say all the criminals should be tried at the ICC, but that would take too long. We’re talking curriculum changed in schoolbooks, brainwashed kids, cars, lightbulbs, construction, huge money scammed on a global scale.

They should be shot, after they’re in jail for thirty years.

All of them.

Yet no one does nothing.


28 posted on 01/27/2010 5:42:38 AM PST by AliVeritas (Is it nothing to you all ye who pass by? Our brothers blood screams from the ground.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I bookmarked this post for closer readings as time permits.


29 posted on 01/27/2010 10:54:35 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; 75thOVI; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...
Thanks E!
 
Catastrophism
 
· join · view topics · view or post blog · bookmark · post new topic · subscribe ·
 

30 posted on 01/27/2010 5:27:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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31 posted on 01/27/2010 6:07:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: cogitator
Ping of interest. Numbers pulled from someone's arse and used in IPCC AR4 report, saying “Up to 40% of the Amazonian forests could [become]...tropical savannas.” That person's arse now cannot be found anywhere.

Tropical savannas:
http://www.runet.edu/~swoodwar/CLASSES/GEOG235/biomes/savanna/savanna.html

Plus, at least 18 more items that were not peer reviewed (as was required for all used research), yet quoted and attributed to extreme AGW advocates (WWF) or from the highly-esteemed journals, “Leisure” and “Event Management.”

Available here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-scandal-deepens-ipcc-ar4-riddled-with-non-peer-reviewed-wwf-papers/

32 posted on 01/27/2010 7:25:07 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: I got the rope; AliVeritas; ConservativeMind
From this thread:

Thanks Dr. J.P. Costella: the climate floodgates are opening

and this is an absolute must read:

climategate_analysis.pdf

This is just outstanding....chronological analysis and commentary on the emails ...and an excellent overview as to why this is so troubling to scientists....

33 posted on 01/29/2010 1:57:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: gibtx2; Parley Baer; EverOnward; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; melsec; GeronL; AuntB; tubebender; ...
See #33....Also this related thread...regards Dr Mann at Penn State.:

Thanks Dr. J.P. Costella: the climate floodgates are opening

34 posted on 01/29/2010 2:04:19 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nice post.


35 posted on 01/29/2010 3:32:45 PM PST by GOPJ (Once the field is level, a global Marxist state is just a few hundred million dead malcontents away.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I downloaded the pdf.
Thanks.
I will read through the rest of it later.

Reading part of it gave me an eery feeling.

Mann et al. whether intended or not were un-inventing
the use of energy to drive us backwards
into the dark ages.

36 posted on 01/29/2010 4:35:13 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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