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Tea Party groups split on backing John McCain’s Republican primary opponent
http://dailycaller.com/ ^ | 01/27/10 at 3:06 am | By Alex Pappas

Posted on 01/27/2010 11:45:56 AM PST by Maelstorm

Sen. John McCain’s Republican primary opponent may have spoken at Tea Party rallies, but that doesn’t mean he automatically has the support of the conservative grassroots groups in his quest to unseat the 2008 Republican presidential candidate.

Former Rep. J.D. Hayworth left his Phoenix talk radio show last week to challenge McCain for the Republican nomination to be Arizona’s senator. Even though Hayworth will likely market himself as the conservative alternative in the race — and draw some Tea Party supporters angry with McCain — not all groups are immediately putting their full resources towards him.

On Monday, when Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks released their list of more than 65 congressional races across the country with candidates they either support or want defeated, the Arizona Senate race was noticeably absent.

Matt Kibbe, president and chief executive of FreedomWorks in Washington, D.C., said the group isn’t targeting McCain because there are “some places where you can sort of make that difference and other places where you stay out.”

“John McCain has stepped up on health care and even cap and trade, which he has a very mixed history on. He’s … stepped up, and I think people respect that,” Kibbe said.

Lisa Miller of Alexandria, Va., who formed Tea Party WDC, said she’s unsure whether Tea Party groups will back Hayworth because he “waited for a fairly long time period before jumping in” the race.

“[McCain] would be a real challenge to overcome, but I don’t think it’s impossible,” she said of Hayworth’s chances.

Miller, who said she’d like to see McCain challenged, said she sent Hayworth, who was a sportscaster before turning to politics, an email telling him to “either declare or let someone else step forward.”

“We don’t want to allow any incumbent that has voted for tax and spending to go unchallenged on a primary level. Not a one. And that includes not only our party, but the Democratic Party,” Miller said.

Mark Meckler, national coordinator of the Tea Party Patriots, said “the movement is there” for Hayworth, who came into Congress with the 1994 Republican Revolution and was defeated for re-election in 2006.

“Lots of people know who J.D. is, and I think he speaks to the movement,” he said.

Meckler said “people are challenging the establishment because they don’t like the way the establishment candidates have behaved.”

Among issues that Hayworth and Arizona Tea Party groups have criticized McCain for is his stance on immigration and support for a guest worker program.

“John McCain, I know, is behaving in a way that a lot people who consider themselves Republicans or conservatives don’t like,” Meckler said. “And you know, he’s the maverick. And hey — we like that — we’re mavericks too. But a lot of people don’t like his voting record.”

Joni Dahlstrom, president of Verde Valley Republican Women Federated and state coordinator for last April’s tea party events in Arizona, said that she’s not completely convinced that Hayworth is the Tea Party’s candidate of choice yet. She said Hayworth “better get on it” if he’s serious about a challenge. Dahlstrom also said she’s concerned that Hayworth “is another establishment guy, so it doesn’t really matter anyway.”

“I will not vote for or support McCain,” Dahlstrom said. “I’ll write in my dog first.”

Representatives for McCain did not immediately return a reporter’s request for comment.

Tapping into Tea Party resentment of McCain is something the campaign will have to do, Hayworth spokesman Jason Rose said.

“There is no question when you look at intensity of the support, J.D. Hayworth has it, Senator McCain does not,” he said.

In comparing Hayworth to McCain, Rose said “their records on taxes are black and white,” as “J.D. Hayworth has been a consistent conservative on reducing taxes and Senator McCain has famously flipped-flopped.”

Counting on Tea Party support, Rose said, factored into convincing Hayworth to jump into the race.

“We’re going to actively seek it, we hope for it, we want to earn their support, earn their passion…. and they will absolutely have a seat at the table and be critical to success in Arizona.”


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The question is simple for me. What does Hayworth running accomplish? Does it elect a true outsider? No, Hayworth voted for nearly all of Bush's boondongle spending including the Medicare Drug Benefit which is now on track to bankrupt the country. I don't see any evidence that Mr. Hayworth would've bucked Bush and his party and voted against the first Bush stimulus. I do know that John McCain, the pain in the ass he is, voted against it. Hayworth voted blindly with his party. I'm sorry but I don't see resurrecting a 1994 zombie who lost his seat through corrupt ties to lobbyist Jack Abramhoff is the way to go.

House Vote: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll332.xml

Senate Vote: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00459

1 posted on 01/27/2010 11:45:59 AM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Keep trying, genius. Keep the BS coming for McCain.


2 posted on 01/27/2010 11:50:01 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Maelstorm

Like giving welfare to 13 to 30 million legalized former illegal aliens is free market. Because that is what a vote for McCain will get us. Armey is an open boarders bigot. What’s your delusion?


3 posted on 01/27/2010 11:50:08 AM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: Maelstorm
So? That's what makes us so much greater than the one-note moral-free, issue-free leftists.

Their "big tent" with its rinos & leftist plants needs burning down, but there are things we can disagree agreeably about.

Personally I don't know enough about Arizonan politics to comment. I hope we get rid of McCain. But I could see him all over the media for years slagging off the Republican party if he lost the nomination. "not the party I knew" etc. Maybe your enemies are better held close. I don't know.
4 posted on 01/27/2010 11:50:25 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Maelstorm
Uh huh. Yeah. Riiiiiight.

At least we know that McCain knows that FR exists.

5 posted on 01/27/2010 11:51:44 AM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Maelstorm

Hayworth is definitely more conservative than McCain. If McCain is reelected he will trip over himself running to the other side of the aisle. Go Hayworth.


6 posted on 01/27/2010 11:52:09 AM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: Maelstorm

“Does it elect a true outsider? No, Hayworth voted for nearly all of Bush’s boondongle spending including the Medicare Drug Benefit which is now on track to bankrupt the country.”

All I read is about why we don’t want Mccain.

Why do we WANT Hayworth?

I say move along; there are other candidates, why take someone who has been squishy in some areas to replace someone who has been squishy in others?


7 posted on 01/27/2010 11:52:19 AM PST by jessduntno ("If you lose MA and that's not a wake-up call, there's no hope of waking up." - Evan Bayh)
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To: Maelstorm

Mickey Mouse could be running against McCain...he’ll still get more votes than McCain will.


8 posted on 01/27/2010 11:53:45 AM PST by Lucky9teen (A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

He’ll be “slagging off the Republican party” no matter what happens to him.


9 posted on 01/27/2010 11:53:51 AM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: Maelstorm

Are chickens coming home to roost with a lot of the Bush bashing that goes on here via support of JD Hayworth for his support of President Bush for votes he cast during during President Bush’s administration?

Has anyone claimed that JD Haywoth is a “true outsider”?

Isn’t the claim only that he is a reliable conservative?

One that can be counted on to uphold the Constitution when it comes to so-called “immigration reform”?


10 posted on 01/27/2010 11:55:16 AM PST by onyx
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To: Maelstorm

Any group that’s supporting that traitorous bastard John McCain is not a legitimate “tea party” group. and that’s all I have to say about that


11 posted on 01/27/2010 11:55:40 AM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: Maelstorm

Piss on McCain.


12 posted on 01/27/2010 11:55:48 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: Lucky9teen

I hope you’re right. Remember McCain said we had nothing to fear from an Obama presidency. He was supposed to be running against Obama when he said that. If I lived in Arizona I’d pick Hayworth ... or Mickey Mouse.


13 posted on 01/27/2010 11:55:57 AM PST by rushmom (l)
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To: Maelstorm
Hayworth voted blindly with his party.

If this is true the Tea Party movement is best to stay out of the way.Exchanging one progressive for another is no way to build a movement. Brown's case was unusual, IMO the Tea Partiers should only back someone to make a statement.

14 posted on 01/27/2010 11:56:03 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Maelstorm

So your willing to allow progressives to continue to frak up this country being most of us here know that McCain is a progressive...you know, despite their apparent issue differences, like Jack Squat Barry?


15 posted on 01/27/2010 11:57:14 AM PST by cranked
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To: Maelstorm
I don't know much about Hayworth. I do know about McCain, and there's a lot I don't like about him.

My question to you is this - Is the ‘Tea Party’ really split on the Hayworth/McCain primary choice? Or is this disinformation designed to split the movement, as the Dems just recently said they would be trying.

Can you provide more evidence than a blog report?

I am highly suspicious.

16 posted on 01/27/2010 11:58:44 AM PST by airborne
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To: jessduntno

There are NOT any other viable candidates with a high profile who are in the run against McCain. I’ve met Deakin. Nice guy, true conservative, but he needs to earn his chops in the political arena, not come out of, literally nowhere, and run for the Senate, just because, he’s interested in politics, as his website state.

JD is eloquent, has been pounding the conservative message on his radio show, and simply put, we need new blood in the Senate. He has name recognition, otherwise McCain wouldn’t be campaigning against him specifically, even before JD officially announced his run.

These Senators get too cozy with each other and are too willing to scratch each other’s back, to the detriment of what is good for the country. For that reason alone, McCain has got to go. He puts his own self-interests and his cronies above his constituents and the nation.


17 posted on 01/27/2010 11:59:08 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (God to Obama: Don't think I'm not keepin' track. Brother.)
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To: Maelstorm
Thank God for the Primary process, and that we have a right to support who we feel best represents us. If however McCain comes out on top and wins the nomination I am not going to join those with McCain derangement syndrome and celibrate a democrat taking a seat away from us.
18 posted on 01/27/2010 11:59:43 AM PST by NavyCanDo (America Rising 11-2-2010)
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To: rmlew; jimrob; AuntB

It all comes down to illegal aliens for these clowns.

Hayworth has a 98% lifetime ACU rating. Is stellar on taxes, amnesty, defense, sovereignty, guns, global warming, life, etc, etc.

Who was the a**hole that played the marxist class warfare card during the deliberations over the Bush tax cuts? JD or McQueeg?

Who was the one that teamed with Bush and lindseed Graham to force feed a country 80% opposed to amnesty the most egregious amnesty ever? Hayworth or McQueeg?

Who pushed campaign finance reform which was not only unconstitutional, but a unilateral disarmament of the GOP? Hayworth or McQeeeg?

Who has campaigned now for the last 10 years on the Algorian fairy tale about global warming? Hayworth or McQueeg?

Who teamed with Joe Lieberman and others to push to getrid of “cheap handguns”? Hayworth or McQueeg?

Who has stated time an again they want to get rid of entire departments in the federal bureaucracy? Hayworth or McQueeg?

THis is just the tip of the iceberg, “my friends”


19 posted on 01/27/2010 12:00:43 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant; Jim Robinson; everyone

Watch the game being played. It’s called MOVE THE GOAL POSTS.

Has anyone claimed that JD Hayworth is a “true outsider”?

Isn’t the claim only that he is a reliable conservative?

One that can be counted on to uphold the Constitution when it comes to so-called “immigration reform”?


20 posted on 01/27/2010 12:00:54 PM PST by onyx
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To: Jim Robinson

“Piss on McCain.”

So tell me Jim, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...

What are you trying to say?

Hahahaha!


21 posted on 01/27/2010 12:00:56 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: Maelstorm

Let me be perfectly clear, there is no split.


22 posted on 01/27/2010 12:01:11 PM PST by Eddie01 (Billy was a mountain, Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
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To: Maelstorm

Maelstrom! Stop spouting LIES!!! I gave you three links in your earlier JD bashing post that proves JD’s innocence in the Abramoff debacle...

You obviously have one mission and that’s to try and smear JD. Enough, already, seriously...WE DON’T WANT MCCAIN.


23 posted on 01/27/2010 12:01:13 PM PST by MountainWoman
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To: Maelstorm
Not only did McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts, McCain voted FOR the massive bailouts too.
On top of that we have McCain/Fiengold(most of which the Supreme Court has declared as unconstitutional and struck down), we have McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill(which McCain is still fighting for. McCain is almost certain to vote for the upcoming amnesty bill this year), then we have McCain’s withering attacks on Bush over Guantanamo(McCain insisted that we close Guantanamo), whereby McCain continued to attack America for “torturing” terrorists, and loudly screamed for Geneva Convention rights for terrorists.
Exactly why should any conservative vote for this arrogant, out of touch, clown? Everything must be dome to send this idiot into quick retirement.
24 posted on 01/27/2010 12:01:14 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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McCain can pound sand.


25 posted on 01/27/2010 12:01:43 PM PST by rintense (Only dead fish go with the flow, which explains why Congress stinks.)
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To: Maelstorm

McCain needs to retire and most here at FR are going to help him do that, Hayworth is a conservative and I’ll support him with a donation.


26 posted on 01/27/2010 12:02:09 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: YankeeReb

I’m afraid that if Tea Party groups begin endorsing candidates, it will serve only to split Republicans and conservatives.


27 posted on 01/27/2010 12:02:47 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (God to Obama: Don't think I'm not keepin' track. Brother.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
But I could see him all over the media for years slagging off the Republican party if he lost the nomination. “

And who would care about that?
There are plenty of mad old men walking the streets of New York that slag off the Republican Party too. No one pays them any mind.
Plus McCain has been slagging off teh Republican Party for years, so what will be new about that?

28 posted on 01/27/2010 12:05:32 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Maelstorm

Will this issue tear the Tea Party movement apart?


29 posted on 01/27/2010 12:05:35 PM PST by frithguild (I gave to Joe Wilson the day after, to Scott Brown seven days before and next to JD Hayworth.)
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To: Maelstorm; Jim Robinson

Its obvious your a McCainiac - you keep posting articles critical of JD. Either you are a plant or a huge RINO. Quit it with the JD bashing - 99% of FR cant stand McCain.


30 posted on 01/27/2010 12:06:23 PM PST by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: SmokingJoe

I never want to hear of Meghan McCain again, that’s for sure. I’d pay to make her a nobody.


31 posted on 01/27/2010 12:07:28 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Maelstorm

McCain always puts on a good Republican front during an election year. It’s the 6 years after he is elected that suck.


32 posted on 01/27/2010 12:08:38 PM PST by kempster
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To: rushmom
Mickey Mouse for President
33 posted on 01/27/2010 12:08:49 PM PST by Lucky9teen (A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.)
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To: Jim Robinson
“John McCain has stepped up on health care and even cap and trade, which he has a very mixed history on. He’s … stepped up, and I think people respect that,” Kibbe said.

Anybody who buys this crap is a moron. McCain sees the light just in time for his re-election campaign. If he wins he'll break his arms trying to 'reach across the aisle'.

34 posted on 01/27/2010 12:08:57 PM PST by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: ChocChipCookie

“For that reason alone, McCain has got to go.”

Yeah, I get that. That was my point. I GET THAT. The question I asked was WHY Hayworth. Why HIM?

How in the hell is JD Hayworth “new blood” and doesn’t he have PLENTY of his own baggage?

And no one else has name recognition?

You mean like the famous Scott Brown had before he knocked off Ded Kennedy (D-HELL)?

I thought the idea was to throw all of these bums out, not recycle them.


35 posted on 01/27/2010 12:09:15 PM PST by jessduntno ("If you lose MA and that's not a wake-up call, there's no hope of waking up." - Evan Bayh)
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To: Maelstorm

I’m a Tea Partier and I’ll be donating to J.D. McCain has proved time and time again he’s a RINO. Maverick my @ss.


36 posted on 01/27/2010 12:09:38 PM PST by manic4organic (Obama shot hoops, America lost troops.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Let me be perfectly clear, I am/we are the teaparty groups.


37 posted on 01/27/2010 12:10:18 PM PST by Eddie01 (Billy was a mountain, Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
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To: Maelstorm

Juan will suddenly “turn conservative” until he has been re-elected. THEN, look for the same old selling out of the party, the nation and the American people.


38 posted on 01/27/2010 12:10:49 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Maelstorm
On Monday, when Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks released their list of more than 65 congressional races across the country

Not sure how Armey and Tea parties are suppposed to be synonymous? I am not necessarily endorsing Hayworth but Dick Armey and Freedomworks need to take a hike. If they represent the Tea parties then the Tea parties are nothing but an arm of the GOP.

39 posted on 01/27/2010 12:17:19 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: pissant

Amen and Amen again! So it begins. “Tea Party” triangulation for liberal “R’s”! The old b-tards school of incumbents uber-alles. Some things never change.


40 posted on 01/27/2010 12:21:18 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Maelstorm

J. D. Hayworth stands head and shoulders above that amnesty giving little mutt John McCain. I don’t know what you are talking about, but whatever it is I don’t think it makes sense.

Here in Montana Conrad Burns lost his seat because the slimey Democrats hammered him about Abramov. They never mentioned that lots of legislators, Democrats and Republican, got money from from Abramov.

There is a Democratic creep named MacDonld running right now to unseat Denny Rheberg, the Republican Congressman. MacDonald was the head of the Democratic Party when Conrad was running. After they stole the race and got John Tester elected, MacDonald claimed that Burns was going to be indicted momentarily.

He said that to me during a series of Emails we exchanged. I had pointed out to him that Conrad Burns had not even been indicted for anything. The last message he sent me stated emphatically that Burns would be indicted within the next two days, convicted and sent to jail.

A couple of days later, on about page eight in the Missoulian, it was announced that the Burns investigation found no evidence of wrong doing by Burns. He was exonerated

So I would suggest that you bring some proof that J.D. Hayworth did anything wrong before you start bad mouthing him. John McCain is a disgrace to his office. He couldn’t shine J.D. Hayworht’s shoes.


41 posted on 01/27/2010 12:21:40 PM PST by SkipW
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To: Maelstorm
John McCain :

“And then he got acerbic: Cheney, he says, “believes that waterboarding doesn’t fall under the Geneva Conventions and that it’s not a form of torture. But you know, it goes back to the Spanish Inquisition.

Yesterday on Fox News, McCain reiterated that waterboarding is “not a new technique, and it is certainly torture.” “You hear it from al Qaeda operatives that when we torture people and it becomes public, then it helps them recruit,” he said.

Watch it here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/22/mccain-cheney-torture/

This fool must go.

42 posted on 01/27/2010 12:22:31 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Jim Robinson

Most aptly put JR!


43 posted on 01/27/2010 12:23:35 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Maelstorm
"Tea Party groups split on backing John McCain’s Republican primary opponent"

Maybe. But the Tea Party is unanimous in its primary goal of ousting the incumbents who created this mess! That's the entire purpose of the TEA Party!!

And RINO McCain bears s lion's share of the responsibility.

Down with McCain!! Just vote them out in 2010!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

44 posted on 01/27/2010 12:23:47 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: Maelstorm

Afraid to read this thread. Bummed out by the Palin haters who appear on every McCain post.

I did join the Hayworth group on Facebook and would vote for him if I were in Arizona.


45 posted on 01/27/2010 12:27:18 PM PST by altura
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To: Altura Ct.

Armey does not represent the Tea Party movement.


46 posted on 01/27/2010 12:30:01 PM PST by SkipW
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To: onyx
"Isn’t the claim only that he is a reliable conservative?"

Exactly .......... and that's what we need!

47 posted on 01/27/2010 12:34:24 PM PST by Old Badger (boy do opportunities abound everywhere for Real Conservatives!)
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To: Altura Ct.

Armey’s group is just one of thousands of like-minded groups in the Tea Party movement. He has a lot of followers but his voice is just one of millions. I am thankful he is part of us.


48 posted on 01/27/2010 12:34:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: Maelstorm
The question is simple for me. What does Hayworth running accomplish?

The very simple question I have is why would you do anything that can be construed as support for Senator McCain when you openly claim you support Rubio?

When I look at this from a distance, I see McCain willing to fight a Republican harder than he was willing to fight a democrat. That, sir, should be a big indicator of what Senator McCain is all about.
49 posted on 01/27/2010 12:37:34 PM PST by wasp69 (space for rent)
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To: Maelstorm

This should be a no-brainer for the Tea Partiers. McCain needs to go post-haste, and the sooner J.D. can knock him out, the better!


50 posted on 01/27/2010 12:39:01 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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