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America: Lost In Space
Investors.com ^ | January 28, 2010 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 01/28/2010 5:39:11 PM PST by Kaslin

Achievement: The nation that put the first man on the moon may have put its last as budget cuts slash NASA's plans to return. Men will return to the moon, but they will likely speak Chinese.

On May 25, 1961, President Kennedy announced in front of a joint session of Congress the dramatic and ambitious goal of sending an American to the moon by the end of that decade. It was a clarion call to the American spirit and technology to rise up and prove that America's best days were still ahead.

Forty-one years after Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon in 1969, rather than continuing on to Mars and beyond, we will soon be hitching rides on Russian spacecraft to fix toilets and conduct science-fair-level experiments on the International Space Station. Our aging space shuttle fleet is about to be retired, and no money is around to replace it.

According to a report in the Orlando Sentinel, when the White House releases its official budget proposal on Monday, there will be no money for the Constellation program that was supposed to return Americans to the moon by 2020. The American-manned space program that galvanized a nation and made manned space flight a reality will be officially dead.

An administration that complains about the outsourcing of jobs and manufacturing capacity to foreign countries has decided to outsource manned space flight. NASA will buy rides for its astronauts, no longer pioneers but rather space tourists, from the Russians at $51 million a seat on their Soyuz space vehicles. Last May, NASA announced a new contract with the Russians allowing it to buy six seats on Soyuz craft in 2012 and 2013 at a cost of $306 million.

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1 posted on 01/28/2010 5:39:11 PM PST by Kaslin
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For other space news go to: http://www.spacetoday.net
For a list of Private Space Companies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_spaceflight_companies


2 posted on 01/28/2010 5:40:13 PM PST by KevinDavis (Ad Astra Per Aspera!!!)
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To: Kaslin

Another sign of our nation’s decline under the BO administration.


3 posted on 01/28/2010 5:41:11 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Kaslin
The American-manned space program that galvanized a nation and made manned space flight a reality will be officially dead.

Obama really is as vile a loathsome gutter-crawler as we knew he was 18 months ago.

4 posted on 01/28/2010 5:43:03 PM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Kaslin

The reports of the death of the American manned space program are greatly over exaggerated. The emphasis will just shift to the private sector. That’s all.


5 posted on 01/28/2010 5:44:00 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: La Lydia

Well he’s trying to destroy this great country


6 posted on 01/28/2010 5:44:55 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for Obama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin
conduct science-fair-level experiments on the International Space Station

My thought for years.

7 posted on 01/28/2010 5:50:04 PM PST by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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To: saganite
In fact, SpaceX is working on an accelerated development schedule that could have the first manned version of the Dragon spacecraft launched as early as 2012!
8 posted on 01/28/2010 5:51:49 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: saganite

“The reports of the death of the American manned space program are greatly over exaggerated. The emphasis will just shift to the private sector. That’s all.”

Why would they start now?


9 posted on 01/28/2010 5:53:46 PM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: KevinDavis

Just close down NASA and sell all its assets to private enterprise.

Then 0bama would nationalize that private enterprise.


10 posted on 01/28/2010 5:54:40 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: saganite

You really think Obama will let those greedy space barrons get away with going to space?


11 posted on 01/28/2010 5:54:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: RayChuang88

I’m all for private enterprise getting into the manned spaceflight business. However, do you really think they can send a manned mission to the moon anytime soon - as in the next 20 years? And a mission to Mars? Ever? Or at least in our lifetime?


12 posted on 01/28/2010 5:59:36 PM PST by TomT in NJ
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To: RayChuang88

SpaceX will get there before the Chinese IMHO.


13 posted on 01/28/2010 6:00:19 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Kaslin

I can remember about two years ago when Obama visited Titisville Florida and promised the union workers at Kennedy Space Center that he supported the Ares project.

From Barack Obama’s Plan For American Leadership in Space:

As president, Obama will support the development of this vital new platform to ensure that the United States’ reliance on foreign space capabilities is limited to the minimum possible time period. The CEV will be the backbone of future missions, and is being designed with technology that is already proven and available.

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=26647


14 posted on 01/28/2010 6:06:17 PM PST by Keflavik76 (Obama has nothing on the Keystone Kops)
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To: TomT in NJ
I’m all for private enterprise getting into the manned spaceflight business. However, do you really think they can send a manned mission to the moon anytime soon - as in the next 20 years? And a mission to Mars? Ever? Or at least in our lifetime?

No. Possibly they can get to some asteroids though.

15 posted on 01/28/2010 6:15:54 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Kaslin; KevinDavis

I have mixed feelings about this aspect of the proposed budget cuts, and probably don’t really have anough detailed knowledge to take a position. But it seems to me that space travel is far enough along that it might actually be beneficial for the private sector to take over. Continuing to have the bulk of space travel/exploration done on the government teat invariably tends to increase the socialist mentality of the people doing the work, and socialist influence on the specific choices of what gets done and how and at what cost. By turning this over to the private sector, we may actually end up getting ahead of countries like Russia and China, where government is controlling every aspect of their space programs.

Israel seems to be doing fine with the private sector leading the charge in the space technology sector: “SpaceX and Spacecom Sign Contract for Falcon 9 Geosynchronous Transfer Mission” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2439718/posts


16 posted on 01/28/2010 6:16:06 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Kaslin
The American-manned space program that galvanized a nation and made manned space flight a reality will be officially dead.

This event has been on the horizon for many years, as our country's budget is dedicated more and more to entitlement and other socialist programs, and paying interest on debt. Socialists and Marxists understand not science and technology, and the relationship between technological innovation and standard of living.

What great space related R&D programs and accomplishments are associated with countries like Venezuela, Cuba, the UN and other third world nations? The Democrats would rather have degraded health care like those nations, and continue to punish and discourage the successful.

17 posted on 01/28/2010 6:20:23 PM PST by olezip
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To: KevinDavis

What has the government run space program done in the 40 years since apollo? Sent a telescope into orbit, sent a lego toy to Mars. They have languished and stalled. NASA is a dead end. They are more concerned with global warming than going to Mars. Even John Glenn thinks the private sector can get to Mars quicker than the government. Let the private sector take over. A few government grants to them will be far more productive than the bloated bureaucracy that is NASA.


18 posted on 01/28/2010 6:27:47 PM PST by mindburglar (I'm not "The Man" anymore. Stick it to someone else.)
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To: La Lydia

Another sign of our nation’s deliberate decline under the BO administration.

Fixed.


19 posted on 01/28/2010 6:29:50 PM PST by PIF
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“SpaceX will get there before the Chinese IMHO.”

HAhABAHAHWAAAA

Not after SpaceX and others get nationalized - for the greater good, you know.


20 posted on 01/28/2010 6:32:16 PM PST by PIF
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To: Keflavik76

Just one more lie from the Lyer in Chief - sorry you fell for it, but his real postion was obvious since beore his nomination - he’s just has the power to realize the Democrate Dream begun in the 70s. Kerry and Edwards ran on the no NASA plank.


21 posted on 01/28/2010 6:35:15 PM PST by PIF
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To: saganite

NASA’s position has been “If we can’t go, nobody can go’ and they use FUD and other techniques to screw private ventures.

I don’t expect that to change any time soon.


22 posted on 01/28/2010 6:57:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Kaslin
I had been thinking of making a pilgrimage to Cape Canaveral to watch the last Shuttle launch. I felt it may be the last American manned spaceflight, and therefore, historic.

My pessimism of lost American greatness appears to have been realized.

23 posted on 01/28/2010 8:04:09 PM PST by magellan
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To: Kaslin

Take all the foreign aid we give away each year and pump it into NASA and we could be back on the moon before 2020.


24 posted on 01/28/2010 8:04:23 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

“Take all the foreign aid we give away each year and pump it into NASA and we could be back on the moon before 2020.”

The billion given to ACORN is the billion not employing thousands of engineers on Constellation.


25 posted on 01/28/2010 8:24:41 PM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: Kaslin

"Obamaism does not compute!"

26 posted on 01/28/2010 9:05:48 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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To: Kaslin
I had the pleasure of attending a brainstorming session hosted by NASA HQ during Sean O'Keefe's tenure as NASA administrator. The keynote speakers for this smallish group were Newt and Bob Walker (former House Science Committee Chair). Newt, Bob and O'Keefe all spoke at length about space commercialization and privatization of near earth operations. The view held during the bush terms was that 1) NASA was a budgetary mess (which is why they brought in a bean counter), 2) that the larger federal budget issues were not going away anytime soon, so there would be no BIG increase in NASA funding like during Apollo, and 3) that NASA's innovation was hamstrung by the budgetary realities of shuttle operations.

The solution they were advocating and asking for ideas on how to make a reality, was to commercialize your everyday manned space flight, and leave the high risk/no profit stuff to NASA. That is, privatize heavy lift and LEO activities and let NASA buy these services for the routine stuff like ISS supply/maintenance.

It was a very good time to have this meeting as Spaceship One had just completed its first of two qualifying flights for its x-prixe. They were throwing around ideas for growing the x-prize concept to spur heavy lift commercialization. I recommended that they take advantage of the second Spaceship One flight... be there when SS1 lands and present the big rubber check. Make a big PR event out of it and announce a large prize for the first U.S. company to land a craft on the surface of the moon and return it to earth (ignored of course).

The shuttle operations budget is the 800lb gorilla of the NASA budget... the expense of the routine manned spaceflight in the NASA budget will not change this no matter what vehicle NASA uses. To illustrate this point, Newt talked about what would have happened if the Spaceship One flight would have failed (it almost did, BTW if you remember that underdamped roll). He said they would mourn for a week, get to work figuring out what went wrong and try again as soon as they could build another vehicle. The public would shrug, pat them on the bacj and say "good try!" He contrasted that with what happens when after NASA loss of life... national mourning, congressional committees, multiyear delays. His point was that NASA is too risk averse to manage routine manned spaceflight that in itself is inherently risky... that NASA needed to save its money and its risk tolerance for the grand vision missions (e.g. manned mars mission).

I walked into the meeting a skeptic, but walked away convinced there was significant merit to this approach. The difference this time around is that the grand vision is not a mission to Mars, but rather a mission to earth (earth science). I'm not sure if it is a death sentence for NASA or not, but thinking is certainly not new. Kind of like Dubya's vision for Mars... I remember a book I used to own that detailed von Braun's plan for man on Mars... nearly verbatim... then again, that von Braun guy was pretty smart :)
27 posted on 01/28/2010 10:01:50 PM PST by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: GovernmentShrinker
But it seems to me that space travel is far enough along that it might actually be beneficial for the private sector to take over.

Two factors will not allow this to happen.

Environmental Nazis already blame the exhaust from High Boost Rocket engines for causing Anthropological Global Warming. I have no doubt that one of Obama's private goals for his Presidency was to shutdown Space Exploration.

Secondly, Obama's intentional destruction of our economy in order to instigate social shackles on our Capitalist way of life will prevent the private sector from funding Space efforts.

28 posted on 01/29/2010 7:56:28 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Eaker

Get real...you could not survive one day without the technologies invented, developed and tested by NASA for the space program or spin-offs from the program that went commercial.


29 posted on 01/29/2010 9:09:02 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

You get real.

We are talking about the ISS and the International Space station is a damn joke.

Tang is beyond NASA’a capabilities now days.


30 posted on 01/29/2010 10:54:45 AM PST by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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To: Eaker
You just proved your ignorance of the facts...Tang was invented in 1957 by General Foods and wasn't used by NASA until 1962.

Here is some of the research being done on the ISS:

Biomedical Research and Countermeasures

Researchers seek to understand and control the effects of the space environment on space travelers (e.g., muscle atrophy, bone loss, fluid shifts).

Long-term Benefits: Enhance the safety of short-term as well as long-term space travel, develop methods to keep humans healthy in low-gravity environments, advance new fields of research in the treatment of diseases.

Fundamental Biology

Scientists study gravitational effects on the evolution, development, growth, and internal processes of plants and animals. Their results expand fundamental knowledge that will benefit medical, agricultural, and other industries.

Long-term Benefits: Advance understanding of cell, tissue, and animal behavior; use of plants as sources of food and oxygen for exploration; improve plants for agriculture and forestry. Understanding the biological effects of extended exposure to gravity levels found on other planets.

Biotechnology

Current technology indicates that a microgravity environment has enabled researchers to grow three-dimensional tissues that have characteristics similar to body tissues and to produce protein crystals to aid in novel pharmaceutical development.

Long-term Benefits: Assemble and propagate three dimensional tissue with form and function of native tissue (e.g. malignant tumors, functional and/or secreting tissue constructs); provide information to design new classes of drugs to target specific proteins and cure specific diseases.

Fluid Physics

The behavior of fluids is profoundly influenced by gravity. Researchers use gravity as an experimental variable to explain and model fluid behavior in systems on Earth and in space.

Long-term Benefits: Improved spacecraft systems designs for safety and efficiency; better under-standing of soil behavior in Earthquake conditions; improved mathematical models for designing fluid handling systems for powerplants, refineries, and innumerable other industrial applications.

Advanced Human Support Technology

Researchers develop technologies, systems, and procedures to enable safe and efficient human exploration and development of space.

Long-term Benefits: Reduce the cost of space travel while enhancing safety; develop small, low-power monitoring and sensing technologies with applications in environmental monitoring in space and on Earth; develop advanced waste processing and agricultural technologies with applications in space and on Earth.

Materials Science

Researchers use low gravity to advance our understanding of the relationships among the structure, processing and properties of materials. In low gravity, differences in weight of liquids used to form materials do not interfere with the ability to mix these materials opening the door to a whole new world of composite materials.

Long-term Benefits: Advance understanding of processes for manufacturing semiconductors, collids, metals, ceramics, polymers, and other materials; determine fundamental physical properties of molten metal, semiconductors, and other materials with precision impossible on Earth.

Combustion Science

The reduction of gravity allows scientists to simplify the study of complex combustion (burning) processes. Since combustion is used to produce 85 percent of Earth's energy, even small improvements in efficiency and reduction of soot production (a major source of pollution on earth) will have large economic and environmental benefits.

Long-term Benefits: Enhance efficiency of combustion processes, enhance fire detection and safety on Earth and in space, improve control of combustion emissions and pollutants.

Fundamental Physics

Scientists use the low gravity and low temperature environment to slow down reactions allowing them to test fundamental theories of physics with degrees of accuracy that far exceed the capacity of Earthbound science.

Long-term Benefits: Challenge and expand theories of how matter organizes as it changes state (important in understanding superconductivity); test fundamental theories in physics with precision beyond the capacity of Earth-bound science.

Earth Science and Space Science

The International Space Station will be a unique platform with multiple exterior attach points from which to observe the Earth and the universe. Long-term Benefits: Space scientists will use the location above the atmosphere to collect and search for cosmic rays, cosmic dust, anti-matter and "dark" matter. Earth scientists can obtain global profiles of aerosols, ozone, water vapor, and oxides in order to determine their role in climatological processes and take advantage of the longevity of ISS to observe global changes over many years.

Now you are informed...this is in no way a mere "science fair".

31 posted on 01/29/2010 12:52:17 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

In other words, Tang was always beyond NASA’s capacity.

Further how many of the “benefits” listed will affect MY life more than Tang?

Maybe they can teach ants to sort tiny nuts and bolts in space. Or make a better diaper for longer car trips to Florida.

Nothing you listed even comes close to the telephone or peanut butter in value and all for a measly million bucks a pound.

Finally we are going to have to depend on the Russians for trips into space?

Really? Really?


32 posted on 01/29/2010 1:28:00 PM PST by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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To: magellan
I had been thinking of making a pilgrimage to Cape Canaveral to watch the last Shuttle launch. I felt it may be the last American manned spaceflight, and therefore, historic. My pessimism of lost American greatness appears to have been realized.

I'm afraid you are right. America is committing suicide by socialism.

33 posted on 01/29/2010 1:30:39 PM PST by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Eaker
Further how many of the “benefits” listed will affect MY life more than Tang?

The benefits affect your life more than you realize, especially if you value human life. God forbid you should get a disease or develop a malignant tumor, then you would be praying hard for the technology that they provide. We won't have to depend on the Russians if we have our own spacecraft to get to the ISS, so I don't know where you are coming from on that one.

Gotta run, it is hubby's birthday. Have a good weekend, see you on the other side ; )

34 posted on 01/29/2010 2:50:38 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
We won't have to depend on the Russians if we have our own spacecraft to get to the ISS, so I don't know where you are coming from on that one.

From the article and the fact that the shuttle program is ending.

Any research for future spaceflight will only benefit the country that is going into space so we are doing it for the Chinese for free?

Happy birthday to your hubby and see ya next time.

35 posted on 01/29/2010 2:56:16 PM PST by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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To: Keflavik76

Well, that’s another big fat lie, with lots of others to back this one up...


36 posted on 01/30/2010 7:00:24 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: Eaker
Any research for future spaceflight will only benefit the country that is going into space so we are doing it for the Chinese for free?

Any future research for space flight should benefit us if we want to keep up with the Chinese in space and we really should, by continuing the shuttle program. It is actually a matter of national security, as the Chinese could use the technology they develop to attack us from space. The program has also strengthened our ties with Russia, due to the joint efforts on the ISS. However, they too will gain an advantage militarily if we don't continue the space program.

But of course, it is clear by now to all of us that national security is not a priority of the Obama administration. They are more interested in perpetuating the hoax that is global warming.

37 posted on 02/01/2010 7:03:27 AM PST by ravingnutter
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