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Muddy Waters Cafe Needs $10,000 to Stay Open (Anti-profit coffee shop broke)
Portland Mercury ^ | Jan 5, 2010 | Sarah Mirk

Posted on 01/28/2010 10:14:06 PM PST by tlb

Eleven months after it went "anti-profit", Muddy Waters coffeeshop on SE Belmont says it will have to close its doors unless it can raise $10,000 by the end of the week.

Four co-owners/baristas took over the shop last February (more on that here), aiming to turn the sofa-laden cafe into a community center run on an "anti-profit" model that would pour any income other than their own four salaries back into good causes. In the last year, the cafe's calendar has been packed with open mic nights, movie nights and open jam sessions.

But things haven't gone according to the financial plan. Co-owner Sarah Dread says the cafe owners have been working for free since opening last February, supporting themselves with second jobs. "For the last few months, we've gotten to the point where we're losing money every day we're open. Business has been slowly declining," says Dread. The cafe has failed to claim 501(c)3 non-profit status as it originally planned.

Though Dread says Muddy Waters' landlords have been very accommodating, the building owners as well as the cafe co-owners have reached a breaking point. "It's been a long time coming. We're almost always out of at least some things because we can't afford to buy it," says Dread. The cafe is hosting fundraiser events daily through Sunday at the shop (2908 SE Belmont), including a pancake brunch this Saturday at 11 am.

Update 1/7: Muddy Waters says it will now be open 24/7 until Sunday and, as of Wednesday night, they've raised $1,800.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: coffee; dopeydems; lefties
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1 posted on 01/28/2010 10:14:06 PM PST by tlb
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To: tlb

Lolololololololololololo!

Dumb-A$$es!


2 posted on 01/28/2010 10:17:48 PM PST by gigster
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To: tlb

Lolololololololol!

Dumb-A$$es!


3 posted on 01/28/2010 10:19:26 PM PST by gigster
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To: tlb

So in this cafe, how do I pay for my coffee...with “Hope and Change” dollars?


4 posted on 01/28/2010 10:19:51 PM PST by max americana
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To: tlb

BUMP for later ..... Oh ... I’ve got to comment on this when I wake up in the morning!!!!!


5 posted on 01/28/2010 10:20:09 PM PST by Neil E. Wright (An OATH is FOREVER (NRA member) III Oathkeeper)
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To: gigster

Sounds like they are more than qualified to work for Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, hell they could run the FED they couldn’t do worse than those in there now!


6 posted on 01/28/2010 10:21:47 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Neil E. Wright

I live in Portland. I’m going to go there tomorrow to check this place out. I won’t spend a dime, but I want to see what their schtick is all about.


7 posted on 01/28/2010 10:22:45 PM PST by Carling (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: tlb

this is not satire? hahaha... this is so funny...


8 posted on 01/28/2010 10:25:23 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Carling

Wear your best lib-hippie outfit.


9 posted on 01/28/2010 10:26:05 PM PST by max americana
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To: Carling

If this is the place I think it is, you pay what you think whatever is worth. Libs are cheapskates.


10 posted on 01/28/2010 10:26:51 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: tlb

LMAO. Are they for real?


11 posted on 01/28/2010 10:27:21 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: tlb

Obama stash! Obama ought to send it a million or two and save a few jobs.


12 posted on 01/28/2010 10:27:28 PM PST by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: tlb

A non profit where we the owners make a “Salary” that we choose and the rest goes to select charities, causes, etc...

I’ll bet most if not all of these folks went to college.

Should have set their sights on becoming tenured, do nothing professors.


13 posted on 01/28/2010 10:28:21 PM PST by liberty or death
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To: max americana

I was actually considering talking to one of the “owners” about me purchasing their shop and then running it as a “for-profit” business. I have no intention of buying the place, but I’m curious to see what answers I would get.


14 posted on 01/28/2010 10:29:14 PM PST by Carling (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: tlb

THESE are most likely the VERY people who voted for the NEW taxes on the “rich” in Meas 66 & 67 on Tuesday.....they won’t survive for SURE now!


15 posted on 01/28/2010 10:30:19 PM PST by goodnesswins (VOTE Democrat........KILL America)
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To: liberty or death

Stupid Commies. Anyone can give crap away for free. But to prosper you have to offer something of value. If people value it, they will pay for it. Stupid Commies do-gooders didn’t do a thing but accrue debt for someone else to pay - like the landlords.


16 posted on 01/28/2010 10:32:47 PM PST by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: Carling

Start another thread if possible. I’m also curious to what answers you will receive.


17 posted on 01/28/2010 10:34:00 PM PST by max americana
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To: tlb; Carling
Portland is just filled with numbskulls like this.

They seem to think profit just oozes out of businesses and they can be taxed ever more and more. These little Maoists sure got a rude awakening about real life in business. I knew when I read about them starting up that this was just a matter of time.

Nam Vet

18 posted on 01/28/2010 10:37:43 PM PST by Nam Vet (Inuendo IS NOT an Italian suppository.)
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To: max americana

Hahahahahahahahaha! Obama, Obama, Obama, Mmmm, Mmmmm, Mmmmm!


19 posted on 01/28/2010 10:41:29 PM PST by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: tlb

Another Commie experiment bites the dust. Will they ever learn?


20 posted on 01/28/2010 10:41:36 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: tlb

Funny how that works. It’s really much less painful to learn these lessons in economics and finance classes.


21 posted on 01/28/2010 10:44:15 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Nam Vet

Isn’t that the lesson ole George McGovern, sainted grandpappy of the left, learned when he actually tried to run a business after retiring from politics?


22 posted on 01/28/2010 10:46:45 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: GovernmentShrinker
It’s really much less painful to learn these lessons in economics and finance classes.

For some people, learning those lessons in class just doesn't work. They think it's possible to run the world a different way--until reality rears its ugly head.

23 posted on 01/28/2010 10:51:25 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: tlb
The Report Abuse button is tempting although it is the people working the shop that are abusing themselves.

Capitalism works.

In capitalism every transaction is a win win transaction. The anti-profit bar is only conduction win-lose transactions. They mistakenly assume that for profit shops care out win-lose transaction benefiting the shop. This process just leads to misery.

24 posted on 01/28/2010 10:56:34 PM PST by DrDavid (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: tlb

Like every other “anti profit” business, they just need a government subside. :D


25 posted on 01/28/2010 10:56:41 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Carling
Order a lot. Ask for a doggie bag. Leave without paying.

Hey!?! It's their theme.

26 posted on 01/28/2010 10:58:01 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid!)
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To: tlb
Anybody remember Ben and Jerry's anyone can be a CEO contest about a decade ago? It was a failure. Rainbows and unicorns are never a sound business decision?
27 posted on 01/28/2010 11:05:42 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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What does the real Muddy Water’s family have to say about this whole deal?


28 posted on 01/28/2010 11:09:31 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: goodnesswins

“...the VERY people who voted for the NEW taxes on the “rich” in Meas 66 & 67 on Tuesday...”

You beat me to it. Exactly what I thought reading healine ...

As they say: what goes around...


29 posted on 01/28/2010 11:21:23 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: tlb
Eleven months after it went "anti-profit",

I could have written the remainder of the article from this point. I highly doubt they learned anything from this failed experiment, and all other socialist failures.
30 posted on 01/28/2010 11:22:03 PM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Nam Vet

“Portland is just filled with numbskulls like this.”

Yep. No doubt they had the place feng-shue’d, de-ghostified, adorned with just the right crystals, and aura-normed before committing to the business model.

Their failure is, no doubt, righteously blamed on Bush, Halliburton, and big corporations.

Lived there. You right. Not just the big cities, neither...


31 posted on 01/28/2010 11:22:12 PM PST by dasboot
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To: max americana
So in this cafe, how do I pay for my coffee...with “Hope and Change” dollars?

With carbon credits, perhaps.
32 posted on 01/28/2010 11:22:39 PM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: dasboot

LOL! If they had bought a better crystal ball, maybe they could have seen this coming.


33 posted on 01/28/2010 11:24:13 PM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: proud_yank

The article doesn’t really say anything about how they ran the business.

Telling people you are going to run any business as a “not for profit” has always seemed disingenuous to me unless it is staffed by volunteers.

As long as people are being paid, and their “salaries” along with other costs soak up all revenues, any business becomes “not for profit”.


34 posted on 01/29/2010 1:08:36 AM PST by Kellis91789 (Democrat: Someone who supports killing children, but protests executing convicted murderers.)
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To: Kellis91789
Telling people you are going to run any business as a “not for profit” has always seemed disingenuous to me unless it is staffed by volunteers

I would imagine there are non-profits worth over a billion dollars. But its all 'how you feel', no?

My guess is they were rather guilt-laden leftists, and did not take advantages of making a small business successful because its wrong. Also, bet that Portland has lots of coffee houses.
35 posted on 01/29/2010 1:24:11 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Kellis91789
Well, it does a little. The building owners didn't get any rent, the operators couldn't pay themselves, and they didn't even have enough cash to buy new product. Gee, and even "Business has been slowly declining."

Sounds like the same business model I had with my allowence when I was 10.

36 posted on 01/29/2010 1:30:15 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: tlb
“Four co-owners/baristas took over the shop last February (more on that here), aiming to turn the sofa-laden cafe into a community center run on an “anti-profit” model.”

There are plenty of Not for Profit Businesses, AAA Travel Service and most hospitals just to name a few. I have never hear of an “anti-profit” model. It must mean You sell all your goods at cost. How stupid is that?

37 posted on 01/29/2010 2:28:54 AM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: DrDavid
In capitalism every transaction is a win win transaction. The anti-profit bar is only conduction win-lose transactions. They mistakenly assume that for profit shops care out win-lose transaction benefiting the shop. This process just leads to misery.

Well put.

If they'd spend less time on their own ideas of where other people's money should go, and more time actually trying to fulfill their needs, they'd have a viable shop. Then they could donate the evil profits to all their causes.

Serving others has never been the strong suit of leftists, though. It seems avoiding the ugly stigma of capitalism among their friends is more important than funding their nobles causes.

38 posted on 01/29/2010 2:29:43 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: tlb
*sigh*

Free Clue: Your liberal teachers who taught you that capitalism is evil? They were wrong.

Have a nice day, and get a job where customers pay for stuff.

39 posted on 01/29/2010 2:33:23 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: tlb

What the heck? Is recess over?


40 posted on 01/29/2010 2:35:23 AM PST by healy61
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To: tlb

I don’t understand...... The business model just looked so... so... AUTHENTIC!!!


41 posted on 01/29/2010 3:08:12 AM PST by AK_47_7.62x39
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To: tlb

Ha! Hope for some change.....
The owners are probably Obama voters too.


42 posted on 01/29/2010 3:26:13 AM PST by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: tlb
"Four co-owners/baristas took over the shop last February (more on that here), aiming to turn the sofa-laden cafe into a community center run on an "anti-profit" model that would pour any income other than their own four salaries back into good causes."

Hmmmmm. Looks like they forgot that little budget item called "overhead". Things like rent, water bill, electricity, and on and on. Typical ignorant commies.

43 posted on 01/29/2010 3:31:02 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: EDINVA
"Isn’t that the lesson ole George McGovern"

Absolutely correct. He had a bed and breakfast and went bankrupt.

All time great line from the old fool:[paraphrase] "Well I guess I never knew how restrictive all those laws I helped write in Congress were on the small businessman."

44 posted on 01/29/2010 3:46:46 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Carling
I’m going to go there tomorrow to check this place out. I won’t spend a dime

Hah, just like the "regulars". :-)

45 posted on 01/29/2010 4:37:42 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: tlb
Wow! The feel gooders can’t even run a non profit cafe. Losers!
46 posted on 01/29/2010 4:41:18 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Carling

Are they still open? Article is dated 1/5/10.


47 posted on 01/29/2010 4:43:09 AM PST by EBH (An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced." ~~D'Aconia)
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To: Pining_4_TX
Another Commie experiment bites the dust. Will they ever learn?

They don't learn. Learning interferes with dreaming.

48 posted on 01/29/2010 5:01:44 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: tlb

I have seen several of these types of enterprise come and go here in our area. Always the same. Big opening, lots of hoopla, press coverage, free concerts, etc. Then, one day a few months later you drive by there and it’s closed, or it’s become a bail bond place.

Nothing teaches a lesson like experience.


49 posted on 01/29/2010 5:17:15 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: max americana

You mean dig through the dirty clothes hamper?


50 posted on 01/29/2010 5:31:16 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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