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Jury Finds Man Guilty of Murder in Kansas Abortion Provider’s Death
Foxnews.com ^ | 1/29/10

Posted on 01/29/2010 9:49:10 AM PST by FutureRocketMan

WICHITA, Kan. — A man who said he killed prominent Kansas abortion provider Dr. George Tiller in order to save the lives of unborn children was convicted Friday of murder.

The jury deliberated for just 37 minutes before finding Scott Roeder, 51, of Kansas City, Mo., guilty of premeditated, first-degree murder in the May 31 shooting death.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionists; courts; notoktokillkillers; oktokillbabies; roeder; scottroeder; tiller
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To: meandog

What makes Dr. Tiller’s actions worse than an abortionist who performs first trimester abortions or worse than a pharmacist that dispenses “morning after pills?”


181 posted on 01/29/2010 12:39:26 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Elpasser
I think “unjustifiable” killing is a more appropriate def’n of “murder” than “unlawful.”

Chuckling. Of course you do, as it enables you cover Roeder's butt, which you are quite inclined to do, as you see Tiller's murder as justified.

182 posted on 01/29/2010 12:42:39 PM PST by dmz
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To: CaribouCrossing; LussaO
Was Roeder morally justified? I'm open to it. Legally justified? Obviously not. Would I murder an abortion doctor? Not there yet, but I won't condemn Roeder for following through on the strength of his convictions, after all, if you think it's murder, then shouldn't you expect to act like it's murder?

Most of us have accepted the ongoing genocide of the unborn in our midst as business as usual, obviously a few people are deeply troubled by it and feel at this point and time after 37 years of it something drastic has to be done to stop it.

183 posted on 01/29/2010 12:42:41 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: eleni121

“When when some guy is running the streets killing people, and somebody decides to kill him to prevent more mayhem...”

So, according to you, Roeder would have also been justified in killing a pharmacist or killing random women since one in four American women of child bearing age will have an abortion?


184 posted on 01/29/2010 12:43:17 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

What makes Dr. Tiller’s actions worse than an abortionist who performs first trimester abortions or worse than a pharmacist that dispenses “morning after pills?”


Well, “quickening” for one...Sorry, but I believe in a “Point of No Return” in pregnancy. Given all that is known in the medical community today, if a woman cannot make a decision by the end of her first 15 weeks then too bad. There is a difference between a non-viable-fetus-outside-the-womb and a premature human being!


185 posted on 01/29/2010 12:44:53 PM PST by meandog (OWEbummercare: "Arbeit Macht Frei!")
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To: LussaO

I think the wording and intent of my question is a simple and honest one. It was offered in that spirit and it is definitely not a “loaded” question.

Your question is an interesting one (re: would they turn him Roeder in, or help him?)


186 posted on 01/29/2010 12:45:04 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Soothesayer
There are 20-50 million more completely evil vermin in this country who would gladly take Tiller’s place at the alter of child sacrifice.

But, there aren't. No one has stepped up to take his place, at least no one that wasn't performing late-term abortions already. The number of abortionists and clinics are dwindling.

187 posted on 01/29/2010 12:45:35 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: eleni121
When when some guy is running the streets killing people, and somebody decides to kill him to prevent more mayhem - that is not premeditated murder.

Quite the fanciful picture you paint above, just a shame that it does not, in any way, correspond to Roeder's premeditated murder of Tiller.

188 posted on 01/29/2010 12:46:15 PM PST by dmz
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To: Ol' Sparky

Which means that there are more little humans alive today than would have been if Tiller continued his practice.


189 posted on 01/29/2010 12:47:26 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: ohioWfan
It is not within our realm of understanding, our responsibility, nor our right to take another human life.

Unless it in self-defense.

I never stated what Roeder did was justified, just that it is absurd to claim his act of murder equates to the acts committed by those on death row. Those calling for the death penalty for Roeder are pro-deathers trying to exploit the incident.

190 posted on 01/29/2010 12:47:51 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: MrB

It’s possible that there are babies alive today who would have otherwise have been aborted but not for . . . However, Dr. Tiller’s murder did not end the practice of abortion. If we are to make any strides in ending this barbaric practice it will require changing people’s attitudes towards abortion and not the commission of murder of those who practice this procedure.


191 posted on 01/29/2010 12:49:23 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats!! Congrats to my Army son and his wife.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

The number of abortionists and clinics are dwindling.

* * * * * *

I would rather attribute that to the sonograms slowly changing hearts and minds. I am loathe to credit that to a nutcase who killed an abortionist in cold blood.


192 posted on 01/29/2010 12:49:50 PM PST by LussaO
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Back about 10 years ago our Dem Governor (MD) Parris Glendening pardoned a dozen or two dozen women convicted for killing their husbands because they made the “Burning Bed” type claim that they were in danger(that is how he sold it) . Then it came out that most of the murders were pre-meditated, many very coldly calculated with unpleasant details. These women started to look like that Woman Serial killer in the true movie “The Monster”. That Dem governor lost his re-election in a heavily Democrat state. This didnt help him get women votes at all.
193 posted on 01/29/2010 12:50:17 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: whatisthetruth

Thank you for your honest and insightful response, whatisthetruth.


194 posted on 01/29/2010 12:50:18 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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To: Knitebane

Preaching to the choir.


195 posted on 01/29/2010 12:50:29 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats!! Congrats to my Army son and his wife.)
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To: dmz

It may seem “fanciful” in your mind, but I gave provided for you a generous picture of the beastly actions of Tiller.

Killing people in the streets is one thing as horrible as that is, but ripping them apart from within and outside their mothers’ wombs is another.


196 posted on 01/29/2010 12:52:43 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: meandog
...if a woman cannot make a decision by the end of her first 15 weeks then too bad.

Yes, too bad for that Human Baby at 14 weeks gestation which you believe is some how inferior to a baby at 20 weeks gestation or a child in a kindergarden class.

197 posted on 01/29/2010 12:53:02 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: sickoflibs

People can say whatever they like, but one fact remains! Dr Tiller will never perform another abortion, this is a fact that can not be disputed by anybody.


198 posted on 01/29/2010 12:54:27 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( SARAH PALIN or BUST.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Of course, self defense, and in just wars as well.

I am not calling for the death penalty in this case, but I'm not sure how his act of murder is different from some others who believed they were justified in killing their victims.

This is an inexcusable act at every level, and those on this forum and on this thread who are cheering on the murder of abortion doctors by anyone should take some time to think about what they're really advocating.

199 posted on 01/29/2010 12:55:54 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: whatisthetruth

PS:

You said you’re “not there yet”. May I ask, “why”? I know that’s probably a difficult question, but I’m just wondering if what prevents most people from Roeder-style justice is that they believe that committing murder is a sin no matter who does it, or is it a fear of going to prison, or something else altogether.


200 posted on 01/29/2010 12:57:26 PM PST by CaribouCrossing
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