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Jury Finds Man Guilty of Murder in Kansas Abortion Providerís Death
Foxnews.com ^ | 1/29/10

Posted on 01/29/2010 9:49:10 AM PST by FutureRocketMan

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To: whatisthetruth
You may not seem to realize that Roeder was willing to give his life...

If Roeder was willing to give his life, why did he flee the scene of the crime?

And if he was willing to give his life, why did he plead Not Guilty?

101 posted on 01/29/2010 11:31:05 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Ronbo1948

LOL!

That’s what I thought. You clearly said that he needed to ‘pay the piper’ for what he did by being found not guilty and walking free.


102 posted on 01/29/2010 11:31:18 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer)
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To: dmz
the facts in this case are quite clear

NOPE that is the problem. The facts don't seem to make a difference in Kansas.

Facts:

Thousands of kids butchered by Tiller's abattoirs
Politicians bought and paid for by Tiller's operatives
Kansans willingness to show indifference to slaughter of innocents.

I fear for this nation's inability to repent.

103 posted on 01/29/2010 11:33:05 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: SoldierDad

So if the abortionist habitually killed babies post-partum insted of pre-partum, killing the killer would still be murder?


104 posted on 01/29/2010 11:33:07 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: mlizzy

“We just attended a funeral for a family friend that went “a little crazy” because his daughter went against his wishes (decades ago) and ended the life of her child through abortion.”

I will immediately commit suicide if anyone in my family goes in for an abortion. If my own child does it...oh that’s right...I will NEVER bring a child into a world infected by leftist demons.


105 posted on 01/29/2010 11:34:09 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: eleni121

Tell us how your reasoning would apply in this ongoing case:

“The two women, Patricia Imani and Brianna Herrera, admit that they lay in the offramp from Interstate 5 in an effort to block the Strykers.

Both women said they should be found not guilty because they had to protest and although it was illegal, it prevented a greater harm.

“We have an obligation to resist, not just a right to resist. That is what these protests have been about since we started to do the human blockades against the Strykers,” Imani said.”

http://www.kirotv.com/news/22357712/detail.html

How are you different than these two women? I can’t see anny difference.


106 posted on 01/29/2010 11:35:11 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer)
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To: Mr. K

It was not personal. I really was making a point about that first part of your posted text; that hypotheticals (that are not equivelent) used to rationalize this type of crime are unhealthy. They are more common than this specific comment.

You did say the killing was wrong at the end.


107 posted on 01/29/2010 11:35:21 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: Knitebane

Gee, since I’m not the one who wrote the laws making abortion legal, I would say you’re asking the wrong person.


108 posted on 01/29/2010 11:35:29 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats!! Congrats to my Army son and his wife.)
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To: sickoflibs
Admittedly I haven't looked at all the threads, but just by following this casually on Free Republic, I haven't seen anyone call this guy "pro-life" or "some kind of a hero."

Want to name names? I'll reproach them for it personally.

109 posted on 01/29/2010 11:37:06 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("An enemy hath done this." Matthew 13:28)
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To: swain_forkbeard
So if the abortionist habitually killed babies post-partum insted of pre-partum, killing the killer would still be murder?

Yes, sadly it would, because we have an imperfect justice system. God will judge Roeder.

Tiller would have been retired, or sitting safely in a minimum security prison, if the politicians and prosecutors had not been crooked.

110 posted on 01/29/2010 11:37:09 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: trumandogz
why did he flee the scene of the crime

Probably fled the scene to avoid being shred to pieces by the vampires in that sorry excuse for a church. They were willing to allow a seriel killer in their pews...makes sense that they would rip to shreds the man who took out Killer Tiller.

AS for pleading not guilty-—he is still NOT guilty.

111 posted on 01/29/2010 11:38:18 AM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Ronbo1948

It was legal to kill Jewish children in 1945 if I recall. Screw the liberals and their worthless laws.


112 posted on 01/29/2010 11:38:45 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: KansasGirl

I read the story at CNN, before that thread was wiped, and they said that voluntary manslaughter was still an option. But this judge seems to have wiped out all of the options.


113 posted on 01/29/2010 11:39:01 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Theodore R.
Now this is more truth than the American people can stand.

You might like this thread (a singer/songwriter singing of his own regret over his aborted child) ... A Dream A Lot Like Mine, by Emmett Grayson
114 posted on 01/29/2010 11:39:56 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: eleni121

The Kansas jury not only made the right call, but the only possible call.

However, if you wish, you can petition the State of Kansas to legalize the murder of all those whose work includes providing abortion.

Therefore, people will be free to murder doctors who perform first trimester abortions, doctors who implant IUD’s, doctors who prescribe abortion pills and pharmacists who dispense abortion pills.

And you may even want to legalize the murder of women who may in the future have an abortion.


115 posted on 01/29/2010 11:39:58 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: FutureRocketMan

He didn’t murder Tiller. He just performed a very merciful, and very late-term abortion.


116 posted on 01/29/2010 11:40:19 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: eleni121

The facts include:

Roeder premeditated the murder.
Roeder carried out the premeditated murder.

Bring whatever other facts you want into play ... they don’t change the 2 facts above.


117 posted on 01/29/2010 11:41:09 AM PST by dmz
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To: messierhunter
It would be moral to use lethal force to stop me, if I were in the process of attempting it, regardless of whether the law says so or not.

I completely agree here, and with the rest of your post. I also find it abhorrant that Obozo voted against an Ill. law that would have required that doctors provide for the medical needs of an infant following a botched abortion - that is, when they screwed the abortion up such that the infant was born alive. Apparently in Chicago, as some hospital, this occurred a number of times while Obozo was a State Senator. A bill came to the legislature that, if passed, would require doctors to render medical aid to these infants. The bill was written to address the fact that the infants from these attempted abortions were just tossed to the side and allowed to expire with no attempt to save them. Obozo voted against this bill. What a schmuck.

118 posted on 01/29/2010 11:43:15 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats!! Congrats to my Army son and his wife.)
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To: FutureRocketMan
Good. This man is NOT "pro-life" and did great harm to the pro-life cause.

Everyone who honors the sanctity of life should be on record as opposing what this man did, no matter how heinous the doctor's deeds were.

119 posted on 01/29/2010 11:43:30 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: eleni121

“Probably fled the scene to avoid being shred to pieces by the vampires in that sorry excuse for a church.”

If that were the case, he should have fled the church and went directly to a police station where he could be put in protective custody. However, Roeder elected not to go to the police but to instead become a fugitive.

And if you actually believe that Roeder is Not Guilty you are free to express your opinion to the Parole Board in 25 years.


120 posted on 01/29/2010 11:44:35 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Hillarious. He didn’t just wander into that “church”, and he saw himself committing no sins that he felt he needed to atone for, and apparently neither did his fellow “parishioners.” I wonder who is worshipped in that church, probably the same creature worshipped in Zero’s/Jerry Wright’s “church”, too, the one with horns.


121 posted on 01/29/2010 11:45:48 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: vpintheak
He murdered a man in cold blood

...who was murdering defenseless, fully-formed, healthy infants in cold blood, which is a crime worthy of the death penalty in the Bible.

The world is much better place with George Tiller no longer residing in it.

122 posted on 01/29/2010 11:47:04 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: dmz

But “murder” means an unjustifiable killing of a human.


123 posted on 01/29/2010 11:48:10 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: Mrs. Don-o
A week ago or so I posted “Is this a valid defense?” at a thread on this and got a bunch of replies claiming it was. Then there were a couple of replies here trying to rationalize his defense(saving lives) , but not entirely justifying it. My meaning was that those that do this and call themselves ‘pro-life’ do a dis-service to themselves and their message by rationalizing it. (food for MSNBC)

Obviously no one that calls themself ‘prolife’ is going to post that this guy was the term ‘pro-life’ because they know how silly it sounds.

Not a good idea to posts lists. I saw a freeper zotted.

124 posted on 01/29/2010 11:48:12 AM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is spending you demand stupid")
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To: eleni121
"vampires"

What an excellent and apt description of what infested that fake Holy House of Worship.

125 posted on 01/29/2010 11:48:36 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SoldierDad
Gee, since I’m not the one who wrote the laws making abortion legal, I would say you’re asking the wrong person.

If you say so. But buying in to the pro-infanticide movement's language is part of the problem.

The left sidestepped the revulsion that normal people feel by not calling the unborn child an unborn child. Instead they started using the Latin term which makes it sound like any other medical procedure.

But calling it something different doesn't make it something different.

It's a child. You can call it a fetus or a nino or akachan or kind but it doesn't change what it is.

126 posted on 01/29/2010 11:50:17 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

If I were to come across a doctor in the process of killing a living infant post-partum I would kill that doctor to save that infant. If that resulted in my being imprisoned for murder, so be it. There are cases where the law and moral duty are mutually exclusive. With respect to murder of an abortionist for committing pre-partum abortion, well, while I really hate what abortionists do for a living, I believe the problem cannot be solved by taking the abortionists life. Abortions will not be stopped in this way. As in the case of Dr. Tiller, someone else will step in and take his place. No significant difference was made through killing Tiller. This problem needs to be addressed through the law and through educating our population (both women and men) regarding taking responsibility for one’s actions and behaviors rather than taking the easy way out. Anyway, that’s my 2 cents.


127 posted on 01/29/2010 11:50:33 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats!! Congrats to my Army son and his wife.)
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To: trumandogz
If Roeder was willing to give his life, why did he flee the scene of the crime?

And if he was willing to give his life, why did he plead Not Guilty?

I'm not Roeder so I don't know what he had in mind, maybe there were others he still wanted to take out before he got caught or killed, as for the not guilty verdict that's an easy one, he obviously felt like he was defending lives from being destroyed so in that's sense it would be justifiable homicide and not cold-blooded murder as charged.

128 posted on 01/29/2010 11:51:47 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: Antoninus
He didn’t murder Tiller. He just performed a very merciful, and very late-term abortion

LOL! How ironic.

129 posted on 01/29/2010 11:53:27 AM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: trumandogz

It’s been suggested on this thread that Roeder shouldn’t have fled the scene of the execution but rather should have turned himself into a police station if he believed that his acts were justifiable.

Not sure that holds water.

For example, should Heydrich’s assassins have surrendered to the local Gestapo office and confessed rather than fleeing and hiding?

I don’t know what Roeder’s judgment is going to be before Almighty God, but I’m willing to wager it is far less devastating that Tiller’s.


130 posted on 01/29/2010 11:54:09 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: SoldierDad

I’m betting there’s a lot of little babies alive today that wouldn’t have been without Roeder’s action. I don’t know how to verify that, but perhaps we can look to see how Carhart’s business did or didn’t increase following Tiller’s “going out of business”.


131 posted on 01/29/2010 11:54:19 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: FutureRocketMan

Get real. He admitted his guilt on the stand.


132 posted on 01/29/2010 11:54:40 AM PST by Melas
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To: Elpasser

If you believe that, then if you ask me, you are a whacko.


133 posted on 01/29/2010 11:55:05 AM PST by DryFly
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To: dmz
So if a sniper shoots an unarmed enemy general while he is reviewing the troops, is the sniper guilty of murder?

How about an executioner that flips the switch that kills a man strapped down to a table?

134 posted on 01/29/2010 11:55:34 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Elpasser
Roeder’s action, while extreme, can be viewed as a rational response to rampant killing of human life that the state refused to halt. Not if I'm on the jury it can't.
135 posted on 01/29/2010 11:55:46 AM PST by Melas
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To: DryFly

Yeah, you’re right.

It’s “whacky” to believe that a mass abortionist occupied a higher moral ground than his executioner.

The law has simply failed to protect human life here.


136 posted on 01/29/2010 11:59:21 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Would you have a right to kill hitler in the 1930’s, given a chance?

Or would it be wrong, because it was illegal?


137 posted on 01/29/2010 11:59:54 AM PST by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: trumandogz

Did I read that after the murder, Roeder stopped for pizza? Nothing like a slice of pepperoni after putting cold steel to a man’s head and pulling the trigger, I guess. Must work up quite an appetite splattering someone’s brains in a pew.


138 posted on 01/29/2010 12:00:11 PM PST by dmz
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To: Ronbo1948
The wrong man was on trial here. I can think of a long list of Leftist pro-abortion activists, judges and politicians who should be facing capital punishment for their role in the American Holocaust that has claimed over 30 million innocent lives since 1971.

You must hate that silly constitution that proscribes ex post facto punishment.

139 posted on 01/29/2010 12:00:34 PM PST by Melas
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To: DryFly

50 miilion or so of our citizens have been murdered, last time I looked that could be considered genocide. Is it whacko because ONE man could no longer sit idly buy without doing something to try to stop it?


140 posted on 01/29/2010 12:00:36 PM PST by whatisthetruth
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To: OCCASparky

“he was performing a LEGAL procedure”

So was Mengelez. And Hitler.


141 posted on 01/29/2010 12:01:01 PM PST by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: whatisthetruth
...as for the not guilty verdict that's an easy one, he obviously felt like he was defending lives from being destroyed so in that's sense it would be justifiable homicide and not cold-blooded murder as charged.

Why that is an interesting view.

So Roeder would have also been justified in killing anyone in that church who worked as a pharmacist and dispensed morning after pills to women and would have also been justified in murdering every woman in that church who had an IUD in their uterus?

142 posted on 01/29/2010 12:02:06 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Ol' Sparky
"Vengeance is mine saith the Lord. I will repay."

It is not within our realm of understanding, our responsibility, nor our right to take another human life. Regardless of the obvious fact that the world is a better place without George Tiller, it was still both a crime and a sin to murder him.

143 posted on 01/29/2010 12:03:57 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Ol' Sparky

There are 20-50 million more completely evil vermin in this country who would gladly take Tiller’s place at the alter of child sacrifice. Fortunately, they aren’t intelligent enough to pass medical school.


144 posted on 01/29/2010 12:04:14 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: TheGunny

The fact that this house of God was not of your particular sect does not make it any less a house of God. I’d advise you to repent your habit of insulting a house of God before you find yourself before its resident.


145 posted on 01/29/2010 12:04:18 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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To: FutureRocketMan

>> Jury Finds Man Guilty of Murder in Kansas Abortion Provider’s Death,

The inevitable outcome that will remind everyone that even the most disgusting, reprehensible, depraved scumbags benefit from the protection of U.S. law.

Abortion, today, is legal killing of unborn human life.

Those that were killed by Tiller are not recognized by U.S. law.

What say you that exist outside the rule of U.S. law? Is Roeder a hero to you? I’m talkin’ to all you prenatal noobs out there.


146 posted on 01/29/2010 12:04:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: whatisthetruth

If it involves murdering someone in cold blood, then YES.


147 posted on 01/29/2010 12:04:51 PM PST by DryFly
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To: FutureRocketMan

I’m glad he did it. I think it was a courageous act. I also think, under the current law, the jury came back with the right verdict.

I think history is going to look back on this case as ‘one of life’s tragic ironies’, in that Roeder believed he was intervening to stop the murder of other people. That those people required an umbilical cord to live is no different than those requiring a similar device (or devices) in a critical care unit.

I think future classes will scratch their heads and say, “They use to abort perfectly good human beings, can you imagine?” They certainly ask similar questions about human slavery today. At least a slave was allowed to live, and perhaps one day win their own freedom.

“Yep Johnny, they use to pull babies out of their mommies, and then put a spike in their skulls. Can you imagine?”

The right to own slaves used to be the law of the land. It was a perfidious law then, and it remains so today.

Roeder is guilty of murder as he should be under current law, but I also think he committed a courageous act. Certainly, he would have been lauded as a hero had Tiller pulled a gun in a shopping mall and started to kill people there. That he did it one at a time in a clinic, to me, is not really much different. It is most certainly just as indiscriminate.

Perhaps future generations will look upon NOW and Planned Parenthood with the same disgust that history looks at Hitler or Stalin. Abortion has claimed about 40 million lives since 1979? Stalin only killed, what, 20 million? Each and every one of those 20 million at least had the opportunity to defend themselves, even if they didn’t avail themselves of it.


148 posted on 01/29/2010 12:04:51 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: dmz

NO you left out facts that precipitated Roeder’s heroic action:

Fact: Tiller premeditated and accepted money for killngs in his abbatoir.

Fact: Tiller carried out these premeditated murders daily and deliberately.


149 posted on 01/29/2010 12:05:41 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: trumandogz
Specifically, that stink will be emanating from Scott Roeder who will be rotting in a Kansas prison.

He might reduce the stink a bit by washing. If he's wise, he'll put his soap on a rope so he doesn't have to bend down for it.

150 posted on 01/29/2010 12:06:56 PM PST by steve-b (Intelligent Design -- "A Wizard Did It")
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