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The Perot Option [Left's Strategy to Divide Us and Keep Power]
NYT ^ | January 28, 2010 | David Brooks

Posted on 01/30/2010 4:54:48 AM PST by cmj328

There is a specter haunting America: the specter of a saner, updated version of Ross Perot. He is lurking out there, ready to ride the free-floating anger and distrust of Washington. He is out there now in one of his homes or private jets, getting madder by the day. He is large of ego, full of money and cranky in mien.

When he enters the arena, he’ll say that Washingtonians, all of them, are a bunch of failures. Over the past five years, Washington has tried to reform Social Security, immigration, health care and energy policy. All of these efforts have either failed or are close to failure — thousands of people working millions of hours and in all likelihood producing nothing.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 3rdparty; davidbrooks; perot; vichyrepublican
They have outlined their strategy. Let's not fall for it.
1 posted on 01/30/2010 4:54:48 AM PST by cmj328
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To: cmj328
This is what he has been doing all along. We have his number, and he isn’t running for president anymore, he is the president, and this crap is going to stick to his shoes whether he likes it or not!
2 posted on 01/30/2010 5:02:13 AM PST by Dem Guard
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To: cmj328

I wish I had those three minutes of my life back after reading that crap.

If I read that right, the author wants Obama to campaign instead of govern for the next three years?


3 posted on 01/30/2010 5:02:29 AM PST by GQuagmire ( We are no longer Massholes)
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To: cmj328

the gop had better get their act together and fast or this will happen. maybe they want this to happen?


4 posted on 01/30/2010 5:02:41 AM PST by henry_reardon
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To: cmj328
He’s out there — that saner Ross Perot. He’s a-comin’. The country would be better off if it were you. “

Final proof (if any more proof were needed), that David Brooks is indded a stark raving, lunatic.
Quick, bring on the men in long white coats.

6 posted on 01/30/2010 5:04:31 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: cmj328
They have outlined their strategy. Let's not fall for it. ................. I agree, lets make sure a real conservative is nominated and not another John McCain.
7 posted on 01/30/2010 5:04:38 AM PST by liberalcide1
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To: cmj328

David Brooks, so in love with Obama that he just cant help himself. They both had wet dreams reading Nebur, the well known German philosopher, dont ya know.


8 posted on 01/30/2010 5:04:54 AM PST by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: thecabal

The strategy is not to let them know you have one. I’m sure the blow will come last minute right before the election in november when the rats are reasurred they have divided us.


9 posted on 01/30/2010 5:07:03 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Cockblock the sock puppet in 2010)
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To: cmj328

The Teas already fell for it. We must support conservatism not parties!


10 posted on 01/30/2010 5:08:43 AM PST by omega4179 (NOT TRUE.)
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To: henry_reardon
There is zero chance that its going to happen.
Heck, the Tea Parties strongly backed Scott Brown, and Tea Partiers sent him so much money in online contributions, that he ended his campaign with $4 million in the bank. And the guy is not even conservative in everything. We backed him in order to stop 0bamacre and remove the 60 seat Democratic super majority in the US Senate.
The last thing the Tea Parties are going ton do in 2012, is vote for some Ross Perot. The overriding objective will be to remove 0bozo from power.
David Brooks is simply nuts.
11 posted on 01/30/2010 5:10:13 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: omega4179

“The Teas already fell for it.”

When was that?


12 posted on 01/30/2010 5:11:15 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: cmj328
0bama will try to employ someone to split the vote against him as Bill Clinton did.
The only way to get him out of office will be for the GOP to nominate a candidate who is not out of touch, old guard, or doesn't inspire broad-based confidence in their own abilities. That means we cannot afford another Dole, McCain, or for that matter Palin.

I think Bob McDonnell is one to watch. We still have some time to figure it out and get it right.
 
13 posted on 01/30/2010 5:12:17 AM PST by counterpunch (The Emperor has no Cloture)
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To: cmj328

Ah yes. Perot initiated the era of Democrat Rule. Perot could never be elected yet managed to convince frustrated people that the Reform Party was viable. Clinton won a plurality of the public in his first run. Smart move by the Obambots to divide the non-left voters. Spin the Tea Party; cultivate division with Astroturf; obfuscate a Republican message.


14 posted on 01/30/2010 5:14:14 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: omega4179
The Teas already fell for it. We must support conservatism not parties!

Nope. We must support Conservatism through parties.

The organizational challenges of being truly effective, politically and ideologically, across all levels of government are daunting - to say the least. The GOP has the organizational apparatus in place to do that.

The best way of advancing Conservatism is to take the reins of the GOP from the grassroots and lead it in that direction. Not to go out and support a candidate who we may think is ideologically acceptable but who's first vote each Congress is for Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker or Harry Reid to be Majority Leader.
15 posted on 01/30/2010 5:17:48 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: SmokingJoe
Thank you. The Teas were never about R and D's. Just Conservatism. You are right about Scott.
16 posted on 01/30/2010 5:18:09 AM PST by BornToBeAmerican
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To: counterpunch
That means we cannot afford another Dole, McCain, or for that matter Palin.


We can afford Palin, my FRiend.....
17 posted on 01/30/2010 5:18:45 AM PST by GQuagmire ( We are no longer Massholes)
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To: counterpunch
0bama will try to employ someone to split the vote against him as Bill Clinton did.”

Yeah. Like how that tecnqiuque worked for the Democrats in New Jersey and Massachusetts. Not!
The independents in both NJ and Mass, who were supposed to take votes away from the Repunloican candidate, ended up getting clobberedd but good. The independent candidate in New Jersey, Daggett, who was polling as high as 18% just a few weeks before the elections, ended up getting only 5.8% of the vote, and lost most of his supporters to the Republican Charlie Christie, who won by a solid 4.3%.
This is not 1992.
Voters nowadays, are not as stupid as you think they are.

18 posted on 01/30/2010 5:20:33 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: cmj328

First, who is the “us” they are dividing? If it’s a reference to Republicans vs. Tea Party Conservatives, they are already quite divided in general. Republicans need to decide if they will be Conservative or not.

On the other hand, it only takes a few hotheads like I’ve seen on other threads that want to throw Sarah Palin under the bus for campaigning for McCain to sink our efforts before we even get started good.

Allow for some disagreements and differences, without compromising your pivotal values. The principles are the key, but insisting on perfect conformity will short circuit all we want to accomplish. The Leftists KNOW this.


19 posted on 01/30/2010 5:32:00 AM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: cmj328

Blah blah blah. He say ‘us’ like there is some commonality between RINOs/Republicarats and conservatives. Not hardly.
This anything but Clinton mantra that the GOP has been spouting for 20+ years to scare the rank-n-file is one of the reasons we are now in the shape we are and one of the reasons we end up with GW and MCCain.


20 posted on 01/30/2010 5:46:59 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: cmj328

Who is this goofy jackass?


21 posted on 01/30/2010 5:53:09 AM PST by nikos1121 (Praying for minus 24 today....at least minus 23...)
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To: omega4179; All
The Teas already fell for it. We must support conservatism not parties!

Then I guess you better get off your butt with the rest of the GOP Kool-Aid drinkers and re-establish control of YOUR party, the GOP does NOT OWN the conservative vote, although they think they do!

This is getting to be a completely pitiful argument from the GOP, instead of spending your time berating Conservatives, how about berating the idiots that have ruined the GOP and the "drinkers" that continue to support the status quo...Just sayin.

22 posted on 01/30/2010 5:54:33 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: cmj328

So are all of you who are saying “This could never happen” also going to say that you would NOT vote for an 3rd party Palin candidacy over a GOP Romney candidacy in November of 2012?


23 posted on 01/30/2010 6:01:14 AM PST by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: cmj328
They have outlined their strategy. Let's not fall for it.

I got a better idea. How about the Republicans actually campaign for the votes from these ticked off voters who are tired of the never ending specter of amnesty, of ever increasing size, scope and power of the federal government, who are tired of working half of every day simply to pay for government employees and their pet projects?

Rather than chiding this mythical Ross Perot, how about stealing their thunder, gather up those votes hanging in the wind, and actually take a leadership role in the political debate?

But no, we must set out the trenches, put up the stockade, lest people wander away from the big tent and 'give it to the liberals.'

24 posted on 01/30/2010 6:09:46 AM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: nitzy
So are all of you who are saying “This could never happen” also going to say that you would NOT vote for an 3rd party Palin candidacy over a GOP Romney candidacy in November of 2012?

The time to settle that issue is in the primaries. If that comes to pass the RATs are vurtually assured a win.

25 posted on 01/30/2010 6:13:59 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: GQuagmire

Maybe, keep in mind Palin has huge political negatives, as in there is a large block of voters who will never vote for her no matter how terrible the Country is doing.

Scott Brown won in MA simply be being palatable to the disaffected Democrat Voter and to Independents, two groups Gov Palin does not do well with in polls.


26 posted on 01/30/2010 6:22:25 AM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: nitzy

Why do you think Palin would lose the primary or refuse to participate in it? That’s a straw man.


27 posted on 01/30/2010 6:25:00 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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To: cmj328

Beware Beck.


28 posted on 01/30/2010 6:27:53 AM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: AvOrdVet

Stop making assumptions I already unenrolled from the republican party because of the RINOS and am working with Rubio and donated to FRed in 08.


29 posted on 01/30/2010 6:31:48 AM PST by omega4179 (NOT TRUE.)
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To: cmj328
Why do you think Palin would lose the primary

A few previous successful GOP names come to mind....Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, Voinovich, Collins, Snowe, Specter, Dewine, Graham, Schwarzenegger, Steele, etc...

How about because she is currently polling in 3rd place?

There are many more reasons to believe she will not get the nomination than to believe she will.

One can hope that something happens and one can find ways that it is possible that something will happen. That is different than objectively looking at a situation and figuring out what will probably happen.

A RINO dressed in hopeychangey clothes will probably be the GOP nominee. There is a chance that Palin will make a 3rd party run when that happens. The question is....What will you do??????

30 posted on 01/30/2010 7:01:04 AM PST by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: omega4179
Stop making assumptions I already unenrolled from the republican party because of the RINOS and am working with Rubio and donated to FRed in 08.

Don't have to make assumptions... I just have to read your post?! If it wasn't a slap at TEA Party Patriots and Conservatives then what was it?

31 posted on 01/30/2010 7:20:15 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: omega4179
BTW, kudo's to the work everyone is doing for Rubio... we need a lot more like him.
32 posted on 01/30/2010 7:26:23 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: cmj328

Once upon a time there were a whole bunch of these guys who considered themselves patriots—but they were radical as hell.

They pushed the idea that the status quo wasn’t acceptable and all signed a document that began, “When in the course of human events...

And another radical called forth the people’s action with...The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

Another said, “you have a Republic, if you can keept it.”

So if the guy is out there who can motivate the people to throw the rascals out, God bless him and keep him safe against puling wimps like David Brooks


33 posted on 01/30/2010 7:34:41 AM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: ronnie raygun

I guess the mods did like that turn of phrase. But I guess they’re OK with your tagline! LOL!


34 posted on 01/30/2010 7:35:26 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: GQuagmire

Sorry, but way too many Americans hold a dim view of Palin.
There is no margin with her. A competent 3rd party liberty candidate would take enough votes from Palin to ensure 0bama’s reelection. That is absolutely guaranteed.

Anyone calling for Palin to run is also inadvertantly calling for 0bama to be reelected, FRiend.


35 posted on 01/30/2010 10:03:27 AM PST by counterpunch (The Emperor has no Cloture)
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To: counterpunch; padre35

2012 maybe too soon. After that, she will be ready and I’m confident any negatives about her will subside


36 posted on 01/30/2010 10:20:16 AM PST by GQuagmire ( We are no longer Massholes)
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To: GQuagmire

2012 may be too soon for Dan Quayle too, but I’m sure he’s going to have a political comeback sooner or later, too...


37 posted on 01/30/2010 10:25:52 AM PST by counterpunch (The Emperor has no Cloture)
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To: wildbill

The people you are talking about were locally known as “Whigs”. Their opponents in the provincial assemblies were known as “Tories”. It was a two-party system. There was no third option.

Most of us agree with the Republican Party platform to the letter. We cannot, or at least HAVE not, come up with a better platform. The problem we have is that GOP politicians either a) dissent from the platform when they’re running, or b) fail to implement the platform after election. The problem with the GOP is the people, not the message. So the best thing to do is change the people. And we can do that pretty easily—1) register Republican, and 2) vote for better people.

Now some people do not like parts of the message. They think it’s too socially conservative, or too fiscally conservative, and they want to form their own party to cater to others of like mind.


38 posted on 01/31/2010 4:49:24 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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