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Do we think twice about calling police?
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 31 jan 10 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 01/31/2010 5:41:25 AM PST by rellimpank

Charlie Mitchener, the Las Vegas business owner who was handcuffed and disarmed after presenting a concealed weapons permit along with his driver's license to a police officer responding to a burglary call at his place of business Jan. 3, has provided me with his Jan. 19 follow-up letter to Metro.

Mitchener says he decided to write police about his ordeal, detailed in this space on Jan. 10, lest his "silence may put someone else at risk."

"Shortly before 5 a.m. Jan. 3, the alarms in my office sounded and notified TSI, our security provider, that a break-in had occurred," Mitchener writes. "They ... dispatched a security guard.

"My wife, Peggy, and I arrived at the office about 5:15 a.m.; the security officer had arrived just before us. ... The security officer informed us that he had called Metro and they told him not to enter the building. ...

"The security officer said, 'I don't want to tell you what to do, but I'm familiar with situations where the bad guys will come busting out and your vehicle may provide them cover, so I suggest you move it away from the building.' "

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1 posted on 01/31/2010 5:41:25 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

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2 posted on 01/31/2010 5:44:21 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank
I can't imagine handcuffing the owner as the first step to responding to a call about a break-in.

When TSHTF, I think many communities (certainly not all) will see the cops as part of the problem that needs to be dealt with.

3 posted on 01/31/2010 5:47:27 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: rellimpank

One thing for sure, if you get shot or stabbed and can’t get outside to wait for EMT’s, tell the 911 operator you are having a heart attack or you will bleed to death waiting for the swat team to clear the building. The cops have gotten to be complete idiots when it comes to responding to crime scenes. Probably some new training protocol from the feds.


4 posted on 01/31/2010 6:01:10 AM PST by anton
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To: rellimpank
As far as a written reprimand, no, but they're dealing with it through a training component.

Bad cop! No donut!

5 posted on 01/31/2010 6:01:29 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: anton
Probably some new training protocol from the feds.

The protocol is their safety above all else, especially yours, citizen. Rights be damned. This story illustrates that quite nicely. Besides, the courts have ruled that the function of the police is to clean up the mess afterwards, not actually protect you.

6 posted on 01/31/2010 6:03:37 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: rellimpank

I agree that this is a training situation, but one that indicates that officers are not receiving important training, or didn’t remember it. The business owner did everything right, and he and his wife appear to be very “orderly persons.”

So the next step would be to suggest to a gun ownership association in the area that it would be a good idea to provide some training information to the area police forces, to avoid such incidents in the future.

Generally, police prefer not to mess up, but it’s hard to remember all the details of proper procedure day in and day out. So for the most part they don’t mind refresher materials, as long as they are well documented and easy to read.


7 posted on 01/31/2010 6:05:30 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: thecabal

So what dance of joy do you do when you hear an officer died in the line of duty? You support the criminals which means you think people should get a medal if they shoot an officer.

And every single person who hates the police would throw a baby in front of a gang member and go cower in the corner.

Nobody with an ounce of common decency hates the police.

Yes there are bad apples but only scumbags hate the police.


8 posted on 01/31/2010 6:08:40 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: thecabal
The protocol is their safety above all else, especially yours, citizen. Rights be damned.

Which 'right' are you talking about?

9 posted on 01/31/2010 6:09:08 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Only communities made up of worthless brainless scum of the earth do.

No decent person hates the police.

And only someone with an IQ in the single digits thinks all police are bad because of a few bad apples.


10 posted on 01/31/2010 6:10:15 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: anton

More police hate and therefore love of gangs.


11 posted on 01/31/2010 6:11:06 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: rellimpank
Do we think twice about calling police?

I didn't until we started paying the county for police patrols.
12 posted on 01/31/2010 6:12:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: rellimpank
I had read the original post but don't remember the "training" part of it.

This is beyond absurd. They come upon a crime scene where the place is not secured and the cop goes into "training mode"? She put the lives of the owners at risk. There is no other way to say it. She should be reprimanded but reading the responses of the management she won't be. They'll probably write a citation of merit for the munchkin cop.

13 posted on 01/31/2010 6:12:50 AM PST by raybbr
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To: rellimpank

Affirmative action in action.


14 posted on 01/31/2010 6:13:28 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Unfortunately you are probably correct. I’m a retired cop, and I feel that way.


15 posted on 01/31/2010 6:15:03 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“...but it’s hard to remember all the details of proper procedure day in and day out.”
Sorry, but I totally disagree. We aren’t talking about some arcane paperwork procedure that the average officer does once a year.


16 posted on 01/31/2010 6:16:53 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
Where did I say anything about hating the police? Thanks for putting words in my mouth, then slaying that strawman though.

So what dance of joy do you do when you hear an officer

BTW, you're scum for suggesting I enjoy the death of police officers

You support the criminals which means you think people should get a medal if they shoot an officer.

No bootlicker, I support law abiding citizens being able to assert their God-given rights. Again, you completely lie and put words in my mouth.

17 posted on 01/31/2010 6:19:40 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
Which 'right' are you talking about?

Oh, I don't know...how about the right to bear arms and the right to self defense? Or is that too "libertarian" for FR?

18 posted on 01/31/2010 6:20:56 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: rellimpank
Never EVER call the cops

Nothing ever gets better and all they do is fill out reports

Today's cops are NOT your friends

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19 posted on 01/31/2010 6:21:12 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
I'll step up and bite on your question.

How about the right to be secure in one's property against illegal search and seizure?

How about the 2nd ammendment?

I personally know several police officers, all of whom I have great respect for, this woman officer in question is incompetent and a danger to the society she is sworn to protect.

20 posted on 01/31/2010 6:25:18 AM PST by exnavy (the blood of tyrants or patriots, may God's will prevail.)
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To: thecabal

Well said, you have said nothing to deserve the attack that idiot launched on you.


21 posted on 01/31/2010 6:27:25 AM PST by exnavy (the blood of tyrants or patriots, may God's will prevail.)
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To: Elle Bee

I agree with your last statement.


22 posted on 01/31/2010 6:30:20 AM PST by sport
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
only scumbags hate the police

every single person who hates the police would throw a baby in front of a gang member and go cower in the corner

No decent person hates the police

Wow, do you eat a lot of donuts? That sure is a lot of angry stereotyping you are doing there.

23 posted on 01/31/2010 6:32:59 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: thecabal; rexgrossmansonlyfan

Looks like the n00bs meds haven’t kicked in this morning. Just ignore the unhinged.


24 posted on 01/31/2010 6:34:19 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: rellimpank
It's déjà vu for this old hillbilly.

Nytimese headlines from the past.(as best I can remember).

Josef Stalin leads world to a happy, comfortable future
USSR Leading Global Race to Make Better Future
U.S. falls behind; women, children, and minorities face bleak future here.

25 posted on 01/31/2010 6:37:00 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 999replies

Funny how a police hating person accuses me of using stereotypes.

There has never been a decent human being who hates all police.


26 posted on 01/31/2010 6:37:20 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
RE: USSR

My mistake.. I pushed the right button at the wrong time.

27 posted on 01/31/2010 6:39:49 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Law enforcement training and policy has seemed to turn their priority away from serving the public to protecting themselves and their colleagues.

When I see film of six or eight cops with guns drawn and pointed at a postrate suspect, often innocent, on his stomach on the ground I wonder how many people get accidently killed by a weapon going off in such situations. Such policies promote the “because I said so” attitude by many LEOs and leads to grannies getting slammed to the ground and hand cuffed.

I don’t want LEOs taking unreasonable risks but the job is one of reasonable risk. That is what they sign up for. Now many departments demand minimal risk along with minimum consideration for the public.


28 posted on 01/31/2010 6:40:03 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Elle Bee

Another person who dances with joy every time a police officer dies and would throw a 3 year old in front of the gang member trying to kill him.


29 posted on 01/31/2010 6:40:23 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
One quick look at your home page says it all, do you like living in the peoples republic of chicago?

Wait you might be a hope and changer!!! LOL

30 posted on 01/31/2010 6:40:58 AM PST by exnavy (the blood of tyrants or patriots, may God's will prevail.)
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To: thecabal

Your post was full of hate and gang banger lover calling me a bootlicker proves you hate the police.

Let’s see a gang member is attacking me who do I call?

The police or you who would high five the gang member and say “Please go kill every officer you find!”

DO you go to police officers funerals and say YEA HES DEAD YEA HES DEAD


31 posted on 01/31/2010 6:42:57 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Glad for your fellow officers someone who hates the police is off the force,


32 posted on 01/31/2010 6:43:35 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: exnavy

Cabal hates police. I hate child rapists, murderers, robbers, general rapists and such.

So if hating child rape, murder, other rape and robbery is idiocy I guess I am an idiot.

Typical of things like you are the worthless POS that showed up at my friend’s husband’s funeral and chanted Death to Police.


33 posted on 01/31/2010 6:45:48 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
"Yes there are bad apples but only scumbags hate the police."

There is a broad middle ground here. For instance, my view is that healthy and vigorous skepticism about government power, especially armed power directed against sovereign citizens, should always be employed.

Yes, most cops are good people. History is replete with the examples of good people doing horrible things.

34 posted on 01/31/2010 6:46:30 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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Lol. I don’t hate police (another ASSumption on your part), but I do think insecure people like you who spew garbage are more dangerous than a lot of criminal. I guess 80% of the Black population who hate police are all indecent. IF you beleive that, then maybe you are a racist trying to project your character flaws onto others.


36 posted on 01/31/2010 6:47:10 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: 999replies

Thanks for the compliment gang banger supporter but I am not a police officer.

I have quite a few friends who are or married to one and gone to too many funerals of those killed by your heroes the gang bangers.


37 posted on 01/31/2010 6:48:41 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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To: 999replies

And what dance do people like you do when an officer dies?

80 percent of blacks are wary of police. Doesn’t mean they hate them like you do.

The criminals love people like you who support them.


38 posted on 01/31/2010 6:50:22 AM PST by rexgrossmansonlyfan (Brennan and Booth IT happens we have to wait til April because FOX is stupid)
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Typical police hating gang banger lover.

You know, it is possible to disagree strongly without calling names and insulting fellow FReepers. Not to mention that ad hominum attacks are clearly against forum rules.

Just sayin'.

39 posted on 01/31/2010 6:50:39 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan; All

Dude, what is your major malfunction?


40 posted on 01/31/2010 6:52:22 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan

After you have sobered up and read thru this thread you are going to be very embarrassed.


41 posted on 01/31/2010 6:57:22 AM PST by jla
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
So what dance of joy do you do when you hear an officer died in the line of duty? You support the criminals which means you think people should get a medal if they shoot an officer.

Just curious...

WHERE THE HELL DID THAT COME FROM??????

42 posted on 01/31/2010 6:58:09 AM PST by PalmettoMason (An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan

I bet you think all women who reject you are lesbians, huh?


43 posted on 01/31/2010 6:59:23 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
Yes there are bad apples but only scumbags hate the police.

Take a 5 lane road with next to no traffic on it at 5:30 in the morning. Those out are on their way to work. Put a cop out there to sit in a speed trap. No I did not get pulled over, I just pay taxes for him to sit there. I think it would be just grand if the cop was laid off and gone from the payroll. Just dandy. Cops do not write tickets to each other and their wives and girlfriends, professional courtesy they call it. So they must be dis-courteous to those they nab? I have nothing against cops who solve crimes and help people. Those in speed traps I do not like.

44 posted on 01/31/2010 7:01:21 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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To: 999replies

I think you’re being diverted. Rexgross can’t possibly be dim enough to believe his own posts. I dare say he’s just spamming the thread, because he doesn’t want any actual discussion on it. For any sensible comments, ignore him.


45 posted on 01/31/2010 7:06:51 AM PST by Keb
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To: All; darkwing104; Admin Moderator
Troll alert

Another person who dances with joy every time a police officer dies and would throw a 3 year old in front of the gang member trying to kill him.,

Put down the crackpipe

Oh and enjoy your stay on freerepublic

46 posted on 01/31/2010 7:07:32 AM PST by Charlespg
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
Guess you never lived in the Rampart Division in LA. Or have never had the nonpelasure of meeting a CHP officer by the side of the road.
47 posted on 01/31/2010 7:07:55 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The first order cause of police deaths is fratricide. If cops didn't have guns almost half of the cops killed by gunfire would still be alive.
48 posted on 01/31/2010 7:11:50 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
I had an experience with the sheriff's department when I lived on the farm and it was most professional...I had just days before had ADT install an alarm system...My husband had passed away about a month prior and I felt I needed the extra protection.

One night the alarm went off and I grabbed my gun and the dog and I headed down stairs. There was a door that shut off the upstairs from the downstairs and because I lived in the country, I also had a siren that cycled every minute for a minute and then recycled...Everytime the siren recycled, it cut off the phone call from the ADT offices. I knew how to shut off the alarm, but didn't know that the battery back up needed to also be shut off and didn't know how to do that...

They sent the police and I saw someone coming up my driveway in a sheriff's uniform and went onto my enclosed porch. I had my dog at my side and my gun behind my back. I asked the sheriff when he introduced himself. "Where is your car"..He told me that on alarms they park there car away from the house and his partner was now going around the house checking all windows...

I told him to wait outside a minute and I would put my dog away...Mona was shut up in the back room and I put my gun in plain site on a desk about 10 feet from the dining room table, so that the deputy could see it...He sat down at the dining room table and I was still trying to talk (every minute the phone rang from ADT) to find out how to shut off the battery back up. It was in a back closet...

Got the back up shut off, talked with police man and his partner knocked on the door to come in and said all the windows were intact...(this was a 2 story 100 year old farmhouse with LOTs of windows.) They both knew I had a gun in plain site and never even questioned me about it...I informed them that my husband has recently passed away and that was why I had the alarm system put in...

These too guys were great, professional, and polite...I was smart enough even 20 years ago to put my dog away as she was not stranger friendly. I put the gun in plain site and was thankful they never questioned my about it as it was unregistered...inherited it when my father passed away...a little snub nose colt cobra. I have no complains about my encounter with the sheriffs office....but when I lived in Sterling Heights,(suburb outside of Detroit) some of those cops were just plain nuts...

Had 4 teen age boys and our last name was known, but so was the last name of probably ever teen male in the city...One of those boys is a freeper and will remain nameless. :O)

49 posted on 01/31/2010 7:14:41 AM PST by goat granny
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To: rexgrossmansonlyfan
Let’s see a gang member is attacking me who do I call?

Man up and kick his ass.

Why do you need to call anyone? What will that accomplish?

"Please stop attacking me, Mr. Gang Banger, so that I can call the
Po-Po to protect me. They should be here in thirty minutes or so."

50 posted on 01/31/2010 7:15:34 AM PST by humblegunner
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