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U.S. Jews and Latinos form unlikely bond over immigration policy
The Forward ^ | January 27, 2010 | Nathan Guttman

Posted on 01/31/2010 1:15:48 PM PST by ruination

Even as health care reform twists in the wind, immigration policy looms as the next big political debate — and Hispanics and Jews are moving to the forefront in a burgeoning political alliance.

The next three months are seen as critical in the fight for immigration reform, but the weakening of the Democrats’ grip on Congress with the recent loss of a key Massachusetts Senate seat does not bode well for the passage of reform legislation.

The Jewish-Latino alliance on immigration issues builds on the heritage and experience of the Jewish community and on the enthusiasm and urgent needs of the Hispanic community, which has a strong interest in issues of family unification and the status of the some 12 million illegal immigrants, most of them from Latin America.

But Jewish activists also see the joint work as an opening for cooperation with the Hispanic community on other issues, such as Israel.

“If we want to engage with the Latino community on issues that are of concern for us, including Israel, we need to engage on issues that bother their community,” said Gideon Aronoff, president and CEO of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. “We want to create growing bonds with the Latino community, and we cannot create these bonds if we are indifferent to the issues that are of concern to them.”

Some advocates view the ethnic backgrounds of the two key lawmakers leading the drive for immigration reform as symbolic of the growing alliance on the issue. In the House, the main immigration reform bill was presented Rep. Luis Gutierrez, an Illinois Democrat, and in the Senate it is expected that New York’s Senator Charles Schumer will soon present his version of immigration reform legislation.

The Gutierrez bill has been praised by advocates for immigrants as providing answers to most of the concerns of the Hispanic community, but so far it has failed to gain any Republican support.

Schumer’s bill, now in the making, is expected to have more bipartisan appeal, by taking a nuanced approach to the thorny issue of providing a path to legalization for millions of illegal immigrants.

While Democratic-backed health care reform legislation was uniformly opposed by Republicans and now seems to be stuck in Congress, advocates agree that immigration reform stands no chance of passage without bipartisan support.

But immigration advocates believe that the blow suffered by health care reform supporters following the Massachusetts Senate election does not necessarily dictate the same fate for immigration reform. Indeed, said HIAS’s Aronoff, it might even help the cause, due to increased pressure on lawmakers to show progress on key issues. “All Americans have seen the gridlock in Washington and are very frustrated with it,” he said. “Now the president and Congress need to show that they can solve problems for Americans.”

But with the political clock ticking, supporters of reform fear that major legislation is becoming harder to pass, and so they set the first half of 2010 as a desired deadline for passing legislation. “Every day we get closer to the elections, the harder it becomes,” said Richard Foltin, director of national and legislative affairs at the American Jewish Committee, referring to upcoming congressional elections.

Jewish communal support for immigration reform is organized around several principles, including the need for a path to legalization for illegal immigrants; a mechanism for dealing with future immigration waves; speeding up work on family unification; integrating new immigrants into American society; and finding, as Jewish immigration advocates put it, an “effective and humane” way of enforcing immigration laws and border control.

This last point seems to be a growing concern within the Jewish community, said Jane Ramsey, executive director of the Jewish Council on Urban Affairs based in Chicago. Ramsey, whose organization has been working closely with Hispanic groups, stressed that while both communities strongly support immigration reform, there is still a need to instill in members of the Jewish community the importance of the issue, which for most Jews carries a symbolic, not personal, importance.

“Our community is one step removed,” she said, “and therefore it is very important to make it real for people by interacting with the Latino community.”

While the Jewish organizational world is essentially united on this issue, some have argued that the Jewish rank-and-file is not on entirely the same page as communal leaders.

The supposed divide between religious leaders of various stripes and their rank-and-file was the focus of a recent survey, sponsored by the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington-based group that opposes granting illegal immigrants a path to legalization and instead argues that many will return to their home countries if immigration laws are better enforced. That poll, which was conducted online by Zogby International in December, found that Jews were roughly equally divided between those who prefer a stepped-up enforcement approach and those who prefer granting legal status with a path to citizenship.

Jewish immigration advocates have questioned the survey’s methodology, but they agree that there are diverse opinions within the community. Yet the CIS poll also found that Jews were still considerably more likely than members of other religious groups to support granting legal status to illegal immigrants, a finding that immigration advocates say rings true.

The organized Jewish community is more committed than ever to immigration reform. A letter supporting immigration reform, which will be sent out to all Senate offices in early February, was signed by dozens of national Jewish organizations.

Joining forces with the Hispanic community has been a longstanding goal for Jewish groups. But what seems to be a rare chance to reform immigration laws has helped galvanize the relationship.

At a January 10 roundtable in Durham, N.C., Jewish and Latino activists shared their immigration experiences and looked for ways to work together in support of the legislation. “We broke into groups and spoke about the similarity between our grandparents’ immigration and their experience nowadays,” said Stephanie Grosser, who has been coordinating outreach efforts for HIAS.

One of the issues activists from both sides discussed was hate and hostility directed at immigrants — both past and present-day, whether they were Jewish newcomers at the turn of the 20th century or Latinos in recent decades. “After we talked about why the Jewish community cares about immigration, two Latino women from the crowd came up and hugged me,” Grosser recalled.

Cooperation between the two communities goes beyond the issue of immigration reform and includes many joint programs on the local level. On the national level, Jewish and Latino groups are part of broader coalitions organizing a Washington rally in March in favor of immigration reform, which will be preceded by advocacy work in congressional districts during the February congressional recess.

Jewish groups bring to the table their experience and well-established network of political contacts, a contribution highly appreciated by Hispanic organizers.

“For us, as newcomers to the society, this experience is extraordinary,” said Gutavo Torres, president of Casa Maryland, a Hispanic group active in the metropolitan Washington area. “They know how to work through the system, how to lobby, how to advocate. The Jewish community has a lot of experience and a lot of power.”

Jewish organizations have been increasing their efforts to reach out to the Hispanic community for several years, and most national groups have established joint programs and sponsored Jewish-Hispanic events. With the rapid growth of the Hispanic community and with its rising political clout, Jewish groups see added value in building bridges to the community.

“We are working on immigration, because it is the right thing to do, because it is part of our values,” said the AJC’s Foltin. “But the dialogue also creates better understanding for the needs of our community.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agenda; aliens; amnesty; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; israel; jewishvote; latinovote; quislings; squattersupportsquad
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The idea here seems to be to have Jews team up with pro-illegal alien activists to get amnesty passed so that the former can get help from Hispanics in influencing U.S. policy in ways that are beneficial to Israel. Sounds treasonous.
1 posted on 01/31/2010 1:15:50 PM PST by ruination
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To: ruination

Jewish commies.


2 posted on 01/31/2010 1:18:22 PM PST by boomop1
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To: ruination

Not treasonous, but perhaps irrational.


3 posted on 01/31/2010 1:19:00 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: ruination

Leftist nonsense from The Forward. The U.S. has the same rights to regulate ita borders as any other nation. It’s not anti-immigration or anti-Mexican to do so. Political expediency isn’t a good reason to abandon control over your borders.


4 posted on 01/31/2010 1:21:21 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: ruination

How to bankrupt America.


5 posted on 01/31/2010 1:21:33 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: popdonnelly
The Forward...

A publication for jews that plays stereotypical eastern european jewish ghetto music in their radio ads, then asks if anti-semitism is on the rise.
6 posted on 01/31/2010 1:24:49 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: ruination

Looking at bible history, one can see that a symbiosis between Jews and gentiles is not a very stable entity. In this situation they both ought to recognize they would be using one another and that it could go to hell in a handbasket quicker than they think. Particularly, I wonder how friendly the quasi-Catholic, quasi-pagan backgrounds of many Latinos really are towards the Jews.


7 posted on 01/31/2010 1:25:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: boomop1
But Jewish activists also see the joint work as an opening for cooperation with the Hispanic community on other issues, such as Israel.

Mexico has a history of supporting the Palestinian Authority. I guess the Jews are blind too.

8 posted on 01/31/2010 1:28:40 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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Stupid Jews, trying to destroy America. Again. Hardly a day goes by.

10 posted on 01/31/2010 1:35:29 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: ruination
This is an example of O'Sullivan's first law: "All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing."

Of course it refers chiefly to non-profits. For-profit corporations have their own clear agenda, though over time some of them do tend to lean left where their own profits aren't concerned.

And it also has to do with being at the center of cultural trends. A Croatian-American or Serbian-American organization is going to follow its own agenda narrowly defined by the interests of Croatian-Americans or Serbian-Americans. But a group like the Episcopalians is going to follow broader cultural trends leftward.

We know that Jewish organizations pushed for looser immigration laws in the 1960s because of what happened in the 1930s, so that forms part of the background, but mainstream Catholic and Protestant groups follow the same liberal Zeitgeist as today's Jewish organizations.

11 posted on 01/31/2010 1:37:12 PM PST by x
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It does guys, can’t trust those stinkin Jew traitors. They’re as bad as the brown Catholics.

That's a peculiar reaction. Are you saying that the activities of these groups is somehow excusable because of who they are? To call them out is to be anti-semitic? Or did I completely misunderstand your comments?
12 posted on 01/31/2010 1:45:28 PM PST by ruination
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To: umgud
But Jewish activists also see the joint work as an opening for cooperation with the Hispanic community on other issues, such as Israel.

Mexico has a history of supporting the Palestinian Authority. I guess the Jews are blind too.


Opposing Israel is a staple of modern leftist ideology (i. e. liberalism) - an ideology to which at least 70% of American Jews subscribe. It's not too hard to find liberal Israelis who exhibit the same bad judgement.

I was going to say "Jewish by birth, liberal by choice", but when you think about it, is there any liberal that doesn't crap on their religion/culture/heritage/country/etc/etc in practicing their beliefs?

How many tenants of Catholicism do hispanics toss aside when they cast their lot with liberals?

Bottom line, it should not surprise us.
13 posted on 01/31/2010 1:52:20 PM PST by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: ruination

Real reason?

Just like their gentile Chamber of Commerce brothers and Hindi motel owners, Jewish businessmen want cheap immigrant labor to increase the bottom line.

There is no honor among these ecumenical thieves who will violate any laws and bribe any politician to fatten their wallets.


14 posted on 01/31/2010 1:55:05 PM PST by oldbill
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To: ruination

here in L.A. I work for rich Jews as a consultant and sometimes they confide in me over drinks what they really think of mexicans...

Overall, this will sound racist but from what they have told me they look at them as cheap slaves.


16 posted on 01/31/2010 1:57:58 PM PST by max americana
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To: ruination
Most American Jews are certifiably, 99 and 44/100% free of all forms of common sense. They have disdain for the conservative Christians who support Israel strongly, and are trying to make deals with Hispanics who do not support Israel, and whose immigration activist groups are some of the most anti-semitic around.

Some probably actually do believe that supporting amnesty will win them lots of new friends and allies.

17 posted on 01/31/2010 1:59:11 PM PST by Will88
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To: msg-84

Gud points. Hadn’t looked at it quite that way.


18 posted on 01/31/2010 2:01:00 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: ruination
Try crossing the border illegally and getting a job in Israel.

It's about Democrats and consolidating the LEFT in the US.

19 posted on 01/31/2010 2:03:38 PM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: msg-84

You’ve got a great nose there, msg


20 posted on 01/31/2010 2:08:09 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: max americana
here in L.A. I work for rich Jews as a consultant and sometimes they confide in me over drinks what they really think of mexicans... Overall, this will sound racist but from what they have told me they look at them as cheap slaves.

Jews keep Mexicans as slaves, I admit it sounds a bit nutty.

21 posted on 01/31/2010 2:09:22 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Will88
Most American Jews are certifiably, 99 and 44/100% free of all forms of common sense. They have disdain for the conservative Christians who support Israel strongly, and are trying to make deals with Hispanics who do not support Israel, and whose immigration activist groups are some of the most anti-semitic around.

<99.44%, naah, Jews in America hate Christians as I've often told here on FR. That's that.

22 posted on 01/31/2010 2:10:51 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: ruination
One of the issues activists from both sides discussed was hate and hostility directed at immigrants — both past and present-day, whether they were Jewish newcomers at the turn of the 20th century or Latinos in recent decades.

Yes, working together to continue claiming the all important victim status, one of the most treasured things available to minorities in the USA.

23 posted on 01/31/2010 2:11:46 PM PST by Will88
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So you’re not bothered by what these groups are doing wrt amnesty because they’re Jewish? They get a pass?


24 posted on 01/31/2010 2:14:42 PM PST by ruination
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To: ruination
That's a peculiar reaction. Are you saying that the activities of these groups is somehow excusable because of who they are? To call them out is to be anti-semitic? Or did I completely misunderstand your comments?

I didn't call anyong antisemitic. Luis Gutierrez and Charles Schumer get together and introduce a bill. If you accept the premise that that's Jews and Mexicans getting together in an act of treason against the United States, sorry, you're a moron.

25 posted on 01/31/2010 2:16:22 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: boomop1

It’s all about power and MONEY.


26 posted on 01/31/2010 2:17:45 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: ruination
So you’re not bothered by what these groups are doing wrt amnesty because they’re Jewish? They get a pass?

Not at all, but when I see the left, I don't see Jews, as you and many freepers do.

The good news, if the only people pushing for amnesty are Jews, it won't happen. The bad news, it's not.

27 posted on 01/31/2010 2:19:03 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: ruination

Taco Oy!


28 posted on 01/31/2010 2:25:09 PM PST by Happy Rain ( "Tyranny's End In 2010--Delivered From Hell In 2012!")
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To: jnsun

Israel has 100,000 - 300,000+ illegal immigrants in a population of 5.5 million Jews and 1.5 million Muslims. Compare to 100k-300k in a state like Virginia or maybe Wisconsin. There’s no will to do much about them in Israel either.


29 posted on 01/31/2010 2:26:22 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: SJackson
If we want to engage with the Latino community on issues that are of concern for us, including Israel, we need to engage on issues that bother their community,” said Gideon Aronoff, president and CEO of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. “We want to create growing bonds with the Latino community, and we cannot create these bonds if we are indifferent to the issues that are of concern to them.”

Your friend Aranoff here appears to be saying to pro-illegal alien activists, "we'll help you get you your foreign nationals citizenship if you help our foreign nationals with the favors they want." I don't know the legal definition of treason, but this fits what I believe is the lay meaning of the term. Whatever, a**hole.
30 posted on 01/31/2010 2:27:15 PM PST by ruination
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To: ruination
Gideon Aronoff isn't my friend, but perhaps if I got to know him he would be. I'm simply not familiar with the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Latinos do have issues. This will give you heartburn, but there's a whole bunch of Latinos, Hispanics, call them what you want, who are Americans.

I may disagree with them politically, but when you accuse them of treason, or accuse Jews who support them of treason, the question of whether you're simply a bigot could be raised.

When you comment to me I don't know the legal definition of treason, but this fits what I believe is the lay meaning of the term. Whatever, a**hole. you tell me two things.

One, you're ignorant, the legal definition of treason, a capital offence isn't hard to find. Find it, before you make the accusation, else be tagged as a bigoted troll.

Second, pull you head out of the a**hole once in awhile. There's a whold different world out there.

31 posted on 01/31/2010 2:38:17 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: jjotto
Israel has 100,000 - 300,000+ illegal immigrants in a population of 5.5 million Jews and 1.5 million Muslims. Compare to 100k-300k in a state like Virginia or maybe Wisconsin. There’s no will to do much about them in Israel either.

Not completely true, thought Israel does have an immigrant problem. They're building a wall to keep out African illegals crossing the Sinai. Not popular in some parts of the world, but Egypt is fine with it. Though they kill the illegals, problem solved. We should do the same thing, build a wall. Monitor it. Beyond that, those who've been there, or here, working for a long period of time. Letting them stay is one thing, citizenship, including children, quite another. Shouldn't be on the table.

32 posted on 01/31/2010 2:41:38 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: ruination
Actually, the "Jewish leaders" are not following Jewish law or interests and are undermining Israel. Latino's do not support Israel anywhere like white Protestants and bribes won't work long term. Buildiong the left will undermine American support for Israel.
The irony is that if you really want to see someoine pushing Jewish intersts, check out Netanyahu.
33 posted on 01/31/2010 2:44:21 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: jjotto
Wow are you ignorant. If only an American president or presidential candidate had the patriot and nationalism to say something like this
"Infiltrators cause cultural, social and economic damage, and pull us towards the Third World," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said at a Manufacturers Association assembly.

"We suffer from a problem that actually stems from Israel's economic success," he said, explaining the problems that arise from the breached border with Egypt. "We have become almost the only First World country that can be reached by foot from the Third World. We are flooded with surge of refugees who threaten to wash away our achievements and damage our existence as a Jewish democratic state."

34 posted on 01/31/2010 2:49:15 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: ruination

So...now the illegal alien squatter support squad consists of liberal Jews, silly Catholic Bishops, the Chamber of Commerce, SEIU, all the liberal ‘non profits’...that we fund...and John McCain.

According to John McCain EVERYONE in the world should be able to come here.

Give everyone in the world an opportunity to come to America

“Those who live closest are the ones who can get here. Everyone in the world should have the opportunity through an orderly process to come to this country.”
Source: AZ Senate Debate, in Tucson Citizen Oct 16, 2004

Change rule barring immigrants from running for president?

Q: Should we change our Constitution to allow men like Mel Martinez, born in Cuba, and Arnold Schwarzenegger, born in Austria, to stand here some night as candidates for president?

McCAIN: He and I have many similar attributes, so I have to seriously consider it.

Source: 2007 GOP primary debate, at Reagan library, hosted by MSNBC May 3, 2007

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/John_McCain_Immigration.htm


35 posted on 01/31/2010 2:50:06 PM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: SJackson
This will give you heartburn, but there's a whole bunch of Latinos, Hispanics, call them what you want, who are Americans.

I know, thanks.

No. 2 works for me.
36 posted on 01/31/2010 2:52:40 PM PST by ruination
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To: ruination
This will give you heartburn, but there's a whole bunch of Latinos, Hispanics, call them what you want, who are Americans....I know, thanks... No. 2 works for me.

1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.

2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

Please connect latino heritage or advocacy to your quote. Latinos are defactio attempting to overthrow the government? They're not loyal? They're treacherous?

If you forgot to include Jews, that's OK, include them. Back up your statement.

37 posted on 01/31/2010 2:56:10 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: rmlew

The only Jews mentioned in the article are activists. With the Jews I know even the liberal ones are mostly against our open borders and being flooded by the 3rd world

Some of the Jewish refugee agencies are so loony they now sponsor Muslim refugees because they cannot find enough Jewish ones like the Russian Jews


38 posted on 01/31/2010 3:00:43 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: SJackson; ruination

I wonder if “ruination” has ever heard of Dan Stein, Stephen Steinlight, Don Feder, Marcus Epstein, Herb London, Lawrence Auster (I know Larry converted from Judaism). (I’m just listing famous people I personally know here.)


39 posted on 01/31/2010 3:04:24 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: rmlew

Perhaps, more likely not, but I know you understand that’s not the issue I was addressing, which isn’t about political views.


40 posted on 01/31/2010 3:07:46 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: dennisw
The only Jews mentioned in the article are activists. With the Jews I know even the liberal ones are mostly against our open borders and being flooded by the 3rd world

That doesn't matter, they're Jews, and you know what flows from that in some minds. A shame I have to read it here.

41 posted on 01/31/2010 3:09:27 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: SJackson
Come on, you can read. I said number 2, a violation of allegiance....

American Hispanics and Jews acting, against the interests of the U.S., to benefit foreign nationals because said foreign nationals are simply of the same ethnic background, is treacherous and disloyal. We're not talking a favor here and there, we are talking the amnestying of 10-20 million illegals, and probably the effective end of control of our borders. You find that trivial?
42 posted on 01/31/2010 3:10:24 PM PST by ruination
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To: rmlew

I have in fact heard of at least some of those people. The FAIR guy, and Larry Auster. What’s this to do with anything?


43 posted on 01/31/2010 3:15:22 PM PST by ruination
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To: Will88
Stop proving your ignorance, when a simply search could prove your prejudice wrong.

Poll: U.S. Jews conflicted on immigration

xpected, Jewish leaders say. The poll, commissioned by the pro-enforcement Center for Immigration Studies, shows that Jews who support “enforcing the law and causing [illegal immigrants] to return home over time” are statistically tied with Jews who favor “granting legal status and a pathway to citizenship to most illegal immigrants.”

That dead heat — 43 percent for enforcement and 40 percent for the “legal” path — reflects conventional wisdom about Jews trending more liberal than other Americans. Among Roman Catholics and Protestants, substantial majorities favored the enforcement option.

44 posted on 01/31/2010 3:16:37 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: SJackson

Sure but all ethnic and racial groups are open to harsh criticism here. Some get it worse than Jews

But I’m sure we will never have a satisfactory answer to the eternal Freeper question. Asked with all the innocent wonderment of a five year old -—

“Why did Jews vote 80% for Obama?”


45 posted on 01/31/2010 3:17:29 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: ruination

You claim there is some Jewish conspiracy. There isn’t. It is leftist Jews objectively attacking Jewish interests, while promoting their own by fomenting antisemitism. And they rely on people like you.


46 posted on 01/31/2010 3:18:04 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: dennisw

liberalism, grievance politics, a desire to end our wars, and oversampling in the cities.


47 posted on 01/31/2010 3:19:31 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: ruination
OK, American Hispanics and Jews are acting against the interests of the US.

Treason. Jews and Hispanics not acknowledging allegiance to America as all us conservatives know.

Same ethnic background, treacherous and disloyal the are. Those latinos and Jews.

Do us both a favor, don't waste my time with a response, your opinion is of little important to me and I'll speculate to most posters here.

And you stink, you really do. It annoys my dogs.

48 posted on 01/31/2010 3:20:11 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: dennisw
“Why did Jews vote 80% for Obama?”

Because like not only a majority of city dwellers (not many Jews on my outdoors ping list), they thought he was best for America. I won't waste my time here anymore, but if you're interested I'll send you the relevant polling. Jews in NY, Christians in NY, pretty much vote the same way, though the Christians voted for Hillary in greater margins. NJ, same thing. The GOP has largely lost the urban vote. Jews in rural areas, not many, and never counted. Heck, check the last exit polling, states like California and Illinois didn't report "Jewish" voting, not enough of them.

I'll add that there are Jews who will vote for Republicans, I know a bunch, but who won't identify with the GOP. Mostly on issues like taxes and size of government, not abortion. And yes, immigration. Maybe I'll send them a link to this thread. They'll learn that conservatives love Jews. When it comes to political activism, as in winning votes, it's a zero.

49 posted on 01/31/2010 3:27:29 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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The subtext here in freeperdom is that Jews, blacks, Hispanics got 0bama in and they are pissed. Why you see more criticism of Jews since the election. The Jewish vote wasn’t big enough to tip the scale but donations were

A majority of US Cathloics voted for 0bama
White Protestants-— Majority voted for McCain


50 posted on 01/31/2010 3:32:46 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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