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Brooklyn's 81st Precinct probed by NYPD for fudging stats; felonies allegedly marked as misdemeanors
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Posted on 02/02/2010 7:12:15 AM PST by butterdezillion

The link talks about the NYPD being investigated for misreporting felonies in order to make the department look good at reducing crime rates. The whistle-blower was sent to a mental hospital for psychiatric evaluation against his will. The conclusion of that evaluation was that he's just a little naive about how government works. He thought cops were supposed to be truthful.

I'm feeling his pain. I think we all are. There are so many crooks - so many illegal activities with government that we can't give any one story the time it deserves. At this point a bigger story would be if we found a government entity that was NOT breaking the law and using dirty Chicago mob tactics.

Another example of government corruption is at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; bloomturd; corruption; crime; doh; donutwatch; fraud; liars; nyc; nypd; police
My question is how we stop this crap. The reporter in this instance had to note that the whistle-blower has been called crazy by the ones now under investigation (his boss). Does this remind you at all of Gerald Walpin? Or of the IRS audits threatened to the Chrysler lawyer? Or Obama's lawyer threatening to close down media companies through "diversity requirements" if they reported on his eligibility problem? (See http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/13373 )

The people in managerial positions have the ability to smear the whistle-blowers. And then you and I have to spend all our time digging up the real story because the media generally won't.

Somebody here suggested that anybody at a supervisory level should be elected.

I wonder what would happen if laws allowed the people, by petition, to force an investigation.

What if the minority party was given control over ethics investigation?

I'm just shooting from the hip here, brainstorming. How can we clean up the corruption at every level of government? I'm tired of tsk-tsking about it. I'm sick of investigating and having it amount to nothing. I'm tired of talk and no action.

What can we do?

1 posted on 02/02/2010 7:12:15 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I really have no idea as to what to do. But I can tell you that every freaking entity in the world is now “metrics crazy”. From your local companies, local government, on up to major corporations and BigGov, everybody is stuck on constantly measuring, measuring, measuring every move anybody makes. So, don’t be surprised when the results are all lies. Everywhere I look in business, somebody is busy padding the books, padding the results, padding everything. Believe nothing anymore. It’s all B.S.


2 posted on 02/02/2010 7:18:35 AM PST by badbass
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To: butterdezillion

How can we clean up the corruption at every level of government?

HAHAHA... go watch “The Wire” and then realize every city is like that. Clean government happens with an angry and informed populace. We live too comfortably to get angry and most people are not that informed.


3 posted on 02/02/2010 7:23:39 AM PST by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: badbass

Seems like there ought to be a consequence for lying.

The free market should pretty much take care of the situation in businesses. I think the financial mess could not have happened except that Fanny May and Freddie Mac basically gave government credibility to fraudulent numbers. IOW, if the government had kept their filthy hands out of it investors would have done their own checking on how secure everything was and wouldn’t have relied on the lies of the government - and the free market would have kept itself accountable.

Am I understanding the situation correctly?


4 posted on 02/02/2010 7:23:47 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I’ve wondered why Chicago’s crime statistics seem so low.


5 posted on 02/02/2010 7:27:51 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: Eyes Unclouded

So our complacency will kill us? Is that what you’re saying?

What’s the end of that? We all know what happened to Rome. What will finally end the USA?

How is government accountability supposed to work? What avenues are we given to demand that our government at all levels be truthful with us?

Seems like petitions, rallies, elections.... don’t make any difference.

I see how Scott Brown is sort of kissing up to Barbara Walters and I realize that once a person has power they want to use it to have friends and be popular. We send decent people to Washington and then as soon as they realize they have power they start schmoozing with the DC press corps and then they become somebody else.

I think elections are viewed too much as us giving them the Ring of Power - the one ring. The danger only began when a person possessed the ring.

I wonder what would happen if we moved the Capitol to the middle of the country in the middle of a corn field - where the trip was not too far away for anybody in the country to make a visit if they felt so moved. Where there aren’t a lot of millionaires or huge companies.

Again, I’m just throwing ideas out. What would it take?


6 posted on 02/02/2010 7:30:17 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: ChiMark

Interesting. I know the national crime rates are down and I had heard the theory that people stocking up on guns and ammo might have had an effect. Chicago doesn’t allow guns - and the number of homicides there has received a lot of publicity. So yes - I also would question if the official records say the crime rates are down.


7 posted on 02/02/2010 7:32:27 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Sent to a mental hospital? That used to be the recourse of the super rich! The Mellon/Scaife family did the same to to “quiet” uncooperative relatives! Apparently the practice has NOT died out!


8 posted on 02/02/2010 7:47:44 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: butterdezillion

Watch yer six. Criticize the cops around here and the “law-and-order” crowd will start tagging you a Commie cop killer sympathizer before you can blink.


9 posted on 02/02/2010 7:52:07 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: badbass

This is nothing new. Believe it or not, John Vliet Lindsay did something good in his time as mayor. He discovered that serious crimes were being downgraded because precinct commanders were graded on the level of serious crime in their areas. Lindsay ended that practice and the reported crime rate increased.

What to do? Make sure the incentives are to do the right thing.


10 posted on 02/02/2010 7:53:23 AM PST by decimon
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To: Oldpuppymax

I guess it could happen to anyone.

Unless you’re a Muslim military officer in contact with Al Qaeda, have “Soldier for Allah” on your business card, and lead seminars where you say that infidels should be killed.

Then there’s no danger of you being sent to a mental hospital - except possibly to be the DOCTOR for wounded US vets so you can talk them into feeling guilty for fighting terrorists so they will instead do jihad with you.


11 posted on 02/02/2010 7:53:24 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: thecabal

If there are people in law enforcement I especially would like to talk with them. They may have the best insights of all.

I think it’s the higher-ups who are screwing things up. Just like the NCIS screwed up the Haditha scenario - probably because John Murtha holds the purse strings. And just like Eric Holder screwed up the New Black Panther Party case. And Jamie Gorelick screwed up the investigation of Atta a year before the 9-11 attacks. Etc. Etc.

It’s when people get power that they become somebody different. Our form of government has always been about finding a way to hold corruptible people accountable.

A couple different times some cops tried to do a background check on Obama. THEY got into trouble. How can any person be held outside the reach of law enforcement? This is asinine. It’s unconstitutional.

I fear we are too apathetic to do anything about it. We’re going to become Mexico, where the drug lords sewed their rival’s face to a soccer ball. By the time America wakes up it will be too late.


12 posted on 02/02/2010 8:00:00 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: decimon

I think you’re right about that. How can you and I change the incentives?


13 posted on 02/02/2010 8:01:53 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: thecabal

“Watch yer six. Criticize the cops around here and the “law-and-order” crowd will start tagging you a Commie cop killer sympathizer before you can blink.”

Don’t know - I’ve posted twice in recent months about the growing citizen outrage in my locale towards the clear shift in local police tactics from “protect and serve” to that of revenue agents padding the locale coffers with “cite and collect”, at the expense of preventing and solving real crimes. And neither time has there been a single response taking me to task here at FR.

Maybe even the “law-and-order” crowd here are having some doubts, perhaps questioning the selective use and enforcement of questionable laws, or asking, “what price order?”


14 posted on 02/02/2010 8:07:27 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: butterdezillion
Seems like there ought to be a consequence for lying.

One would think. I've known a major corporation to ask me to place a large order (we were a dealer for them), and tell me that we could send it back after theo fiscal quarter was ended. They just wanted numbers on their books to report to Wall Street. This was just one individual's action, due to the pressure he was under to report "numbers". I refused, but this person is now comfortably retired from that corporation. No telling how many others in my position accepted his request. I no longer work in that industry, in no small part because I was pretty much drummed out of it.

Same kind of thing goes on all day, everyday. Business does have a better chance than government of self correcting, and the house of cards eventually falls regardless. But the culprits are almost never punished, and they know it.

But my main point to begin with was that management nowadays has people so busy reporting metrics on their every move, they have no time to actually do their jobs. They are too busy covering their @sses.

15 posted on 02/02/2010 8:08:07 AM PST by badbass
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To: butterdezillion
How can you and I change the incentives?

I can't. I wish you the very best of luck.

Maybe this is the best we can do. Keep talking about it and maybe others will listen.

16 posted on 02/02/2010 8:11:15 AM PST by decimon
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To: butterdezillion

To prevent duplication, please do not alter the title. Thanks.


17 posted on 02/02/2010 8:37:09 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: decimon

Houston (Harris County) has similarly downgraded car theft to “unauthorized use of a motor vehicle”. An unauthorized user of my car stripped $4000 worth of parts from it recently. The unconcerned cop writing the report suggested that I get used to it, as it was becoming more common all the time.


18 posted on 02/02/2010 8:43:56 AM PST by PawPaw2
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To: butterdezillion
I'm sick of investigating and having it amount to nothing. I'm tired of talk and no action.

If your summary of the article at the link is an example of your investigative ability, I'd advise you to find another hobby.

The story is about one Brooklyn precinct under investigation -- not the entire NYPD.

Nowhere does the reporter "note that the whistle-blower has been called crazy by...(his boss)." The exact, and only quote from his boss is as follows: "Mauriello, the precinct's commanding officer since 2008, called Schoolcraft's allegations 'atrocious' before referring all inquires to the NYPD's press office."

The reporter does, however, make a personal observation that "Schoolcraft has big problems of his own." Those "problems" include being on suspension since Halloween for walking off the job without permission.

19 posted on 02/02/2010 8:45:39 AM PST by browardchad ("Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own fact." - Daniel P Moynihan)
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To: badbass

That’s the complaint that teachers have about “No Child Left Behind”. Whenever you try to force accountability you end up with lots of statistics, and keeping track of the statistics can actually hinder the mission you’re after.

I know that statistics drive the money. If you want to prove that you’re doing something so you can get funding you’ve got to drive up the numbers. Do you think the push for more (and higher) numbers comes from accountability measures, or from government requirements, or something else?


20 posted on 02/02/2010 9:05:07 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: browardchad

Right. Forcing somebody into a mental hospital for psychiatric evaluation isn’t the same thing as calling them crazy. My bad.


21 posted on 02/02/2010 9:07:18 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
I honestly have no idea. It seems to be coming from business management schools, imo. Common sense seems to have gone out the window, people are just supposed to accept and "get used to" this crap, not question whatever authority is thrusting it upon them. It's reason number 1 why I work for myself now. I just can't swallow it anymore.

I find it hard to believe that Americans will ever get great accountability from their goverment, because the great majority are complicit in some form of the same crap on their own jobs. I hope I'm wrong though.

22 posted on 02/02/2010 9:12:41 AM PST by badbass
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To: butterdezillion; ChiMark
*** Chicago doesn’t allow guns ***

Not True.
It's only handguns that are outright banned (plus 'assault rifles'), for now anyway.

But you can own / possess a 'typical' Shotgun or a 'typical' Hunting Rifle. You 'just have to' register them with the Chi PD and renew it each year, which almost nobody does anyway.

Chicago has 39 pages of Firearm Regulations in size 4 font.
You can read or download them via the IL State Police Website.

23 posted on 02/02/2010 9:24:52 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Condor51

I stand corrected. Thank you.


24 posted on 02/02/2010 9:39:50 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: PawPaw2
Houston (Harris County) has similarly downgraded car theft to “unauthorized use of a motor vehicle”. An unauthorized user of my car stripped $4000 worth of parts from it recently. The unconcerned cop writing the report suggested that I get used to it, as it was becoming more common all the time.

In this case I don't blame the cop. If the cops could do anything then they might be more concerned. They can't do anything if the people above them don't care.

25 posted on 02/02/2010 9:40:59 AM PST by decimon
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To: butterdezillion
*** I stand corrected. Thank you. ***

Not a problem and I meant no offense.

But the way mayor dipsheet Daley whines about 'Gun Crimes', it's easy for someone far from Chicago to get the impression that all guns in *his city* are banned (and he would really love that!).

26 posted on 02/02/2010 9:55:04 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: butterdezillion

As a retired NYPD street cop I’m embarrassed by this but as a New Yorker I’m damned angry! The 8 1 is a S^%t house as cops call busy shops and always will be. How anybody thought they could get away with putting lipstick on that pig is beyond me. Shame on the bosses who pulled this stunt. This makes me want to scream!


27 posted on 02/02/2010 10:04:29 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

I think that’s sort of how I felt after the Nebraska Kickback. No way, no how are Nebraskans gonna put up with that kind of crap.

As a retired cop, do you have any ideas for how this kind of stuff can be stopped? The corruption in government is all over the place. I feel like the whole country belongs to Al Capone.


28 posted on 02/02/2010 2:00:19 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
How can we clean up the corruption at every level of government?

Simple: Reduce the number of Government bureaucrats.

How's that, you ask?

Again, simple: Elect legislators that prioritize the repealing of the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution far above stupid bullsh*it non-issues like abortion, gays in the military, healthcare "reform", and "Global Warming". Discontinue the lawful seizure of private property, and cut off funding. The rest falls in place.

Alternative Solution: Fix Bayonets.

29 posted on 02/02/2010 3:15:03 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Rodamala

How would we provide for national defense? There are some legitimate government functions. How did they pay for legitimate stuff before income taxes?

I wholeheartedly agree that the government has too much money and too much of what they think is permission to crawl into every crevice of our lives. Seems to me that the Tenth Amendment is supposed to keep the feds at least from having the OPPORTUNITY to screw us so badly.


30 posted on 02/02/2010 3:23:05 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
How would we provide for national defense?

Did we not have a standing Army and Navy prior to 1913?

Yes, income taxes were established to pay for the Civil War, but the tax rate was something like 2% and, by law, the tax collection had an expiration date.

I'm serious, the only way to cut the spending and waste is to not give the government OUR MONEY.

31 posted on 02/02/2010 8:11:19 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: butterdezillion

Thankfully the whistleblower had it all on tape.


32 posted on 09/24/2010 5:13:41 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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