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(IRS)Buying 14' Combat Shotguns.
Fed Gov.com ^ | 02/02/10 | staff

Posted on 02/03/2010 6:41:12 AM PST by Leisler

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts.

(Excerpt) Read more at fbo.gov ...


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1 posted on 02/03/2010 6:41:13 AM PST by Leisler
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To: Leisler

“...14’ Combat Shotguns...”
Not interested - won’t fit inside my truck.


2 posted on 02/03/2010 6:45:33 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Leisler

I wonder if these will be used mainly for breaching doors.

“We’re from the government and we’re here to help!”


3 posted on 02/03/2010 6:46:05 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: Leisler

If 14 inch shotgun barrells are government approved for their agents then we all should be able to have one if we want.


4 posted on 02/03/2010 6:53:10 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Not interested - won’t fit inside my truck.

Must come with a 100 round mag tube.
5 posted on 02/03/2010 6:55:48 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Leisler
Armed tax collectors. Where is that covered in the Constitution?
6 posted on 02/03/2010 6:57:25 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Fourteen feet? Must be some kind of fancy Trap model...
7 posted on 02/03/2010 6:57:54 AM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Leisler

Not breaking any new ground here. Elliot Ness was a Treasury Agent you know. Notwithstanding the impression left by Robert Stack, their weapon of choice was shotguns.


8 posted on 02/03/2010 6:58:19 AM PST by tlb
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To: GranTorino

all laws necessary and proper


9 posted on 02/03/2010 6:59:28 AM PST by Huck (Q: How can you tell a party is in the majority? A: They're complaining about the fillibuster.)
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To: Leisler
According to my Mossberg catalog law enforcement is going to
the 14” shotgun because squad cars have become smaller and
this size works better to store and access.

Anybody got a picture of Tubbs with that shorty pump he
carried on Miami Vice?

10 posted on 02/03/2010 6:59:59 AM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: tlb

This is just getting closer and closer to an all out shooting war every day.


11 posted on 02/03/2010 7:00:30 AM PST by Concho
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To: Leisler

Hmph! 14’? Ok, I know what y’all meant. It’s just boys and their toys. Not exactly sure what a 14” barrel would do for them. Maybe more convenient for entry, but more likely to get someone killed due to lack of barrel control. The majority of the Feds that are weapons qualified (even Secret Service) are not as proficient as might be expected.

It rather begs the question of why every Federal agency out there seems to need a police/military force. I never really thought about this until I noticed (20 years ago), that there were folks from the Department of Agriculture and Department of Education (!?!?!?) carrying concealed weapons on my aircraft. Over the years it became more common. I had to ask why the Department of Agriculture needs folks carrying concealed weapons on an aircraft, and was told it had something to do with Food Stamps (true). I was never able to get an answer as to why the Department of Education needed to be armed, but apparently I was not on a “need to know” basis.

Not surprised that any federal agency is into guns. It’s cool, and mostly guys run agencies. So besides the fact that they’re Feds, and they can, you don’t want to be the only agency that doesn’t have weapons. You’d be a bureaucratic wuss. I suspect they all have heat by now.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 7:00:35 AM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: tlb

This is just getting closer and closer to an all out shooting war every day.


13 posted on 02/03/2010 7:01:21 AM PST by Concho
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To: Leisler

Revenooers!



14 posted on 02/03/2010 7:03:07 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Leisler

14 feet, huh.

Nice swap to the goose barrel; knock ‘em outta the sky at 100 yeards!


15 posted on 02/03/2010 7:03:11 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: elcid1970
Some tips on fortifying your doors against "criminals": Door & Lock Fortifications

Combat shotguns are used for crowd control and close quarters combat, say, if a bunch of folks got together for a tax revolt or some such.

16 posted on 02/03/2010 7:06:35 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: CrazyIvan
Don't think Tubbs carried it, but you can buy one:

It's the Serbu Super Shorty.

17 posted on 02/03/2010 7:07:14 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Concho

They already have shotguns. They are buying additional ones. Happens all the time.


18 posted on 02/03/2010 7:08:18 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Political Correctness Will Get Us All Killed)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Thanks, that sure looks like the one. I always thought that
it was a one off for the show. Vice sure had some
interesting firearms at times.
19 posted on 02/03/2010 7:10:25 AM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: Leisler

Boycott any company that enters into such a contract with the devil.


20 posted on 02/03/2010 7:11:05 AM PST by Boiling point (Beck / Palin 2012)
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To: Leisler

I’m not sure this is unusual.

The IRS has security personnel, and dedicated Marshals and Agents that are intended to protect IRS Revenue Officers during contentious activities, or activities with particularly belligerent tax debtors. It is my understanding that it is not completely unusual for a Revenue Officer to meet with some resistance.

It is within the IRS’s authority to seize property for failure to pay large tax debts (sometimes it is justified) — and the IRS won’t send some poor accountant by himself to seize a house ... they’ll send him with armed escorts. Whether the weapons are provided by the IRS, or whether those personnel are typically employed by the US Marshals or FBI, I don’t know. I would figure at least some of the personnel are employed by the IRS.

SnakeDoc


21 posted on 02/03/2010 7:17:21 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Leisler

Why must the IRS exist?


22 posted on 02/03/2010 7:21:43 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist. (Evil + Stupid) === Government)
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To: Leisler

From a decade ago:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.misc/browse_thread/thread/89bc92a954f94133/e6fc95666898fcff?hl=en&q=irssic


23 posted on 02/03/2010 7:23:55 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MichiganConservative

The same old question. To be or not to be..


24 posted on 02/03/2010 7:24:46 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
(View past Libertarian pings here)
25 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:20 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Leisler
Its all about the cars. If you have operated armed with an automobile as your base (I have), a full length barrel on a shotgun is a real problem. Shortening it to 14” makes all the difference in the world.

Most folks who have not worked with a Long arm in vehicles don't really understand. Its why the M4 currently is below optimum barrel length for best ballistics. Same for shorter barrel shotguns, but it doesn't matter so much since a shotgun is trash past 100 yards anyway (and iffy at 100).

Given the choice between a short barreled shotgun or a machine pistol or carbine; I will take the shotgun any day. Total length should not be over 28 to 30 inches (go sideways through a standard inside door) and have a magazine that goes to the end of the barrel. You can do this with an 18 inch barrel but you have to short the stock. A 14 inch barrel lets you full stock the gun (a must with a 10 or 12 gauge) and still keep the overall length down.

MY 2 cents.

26 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:21 AM PST by Dogrobber
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To: Leisler

Check out this article I got from my BIL earlier today.


U.S. agrees to timetable for UN Gun Ban
http://nationalgunrights.org/blog/?p=359#more-359


27 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:47 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Hey zero, It is NOT Bush's fault anymore.)
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To: SnakeDoctor; Man50D
The IRS has security personnel, and dedicated Marshals and Agents that are intended to protect IRS Revenue Officers during contentious activities, or activities with particularly belligerent tax debtors. It is my understanding that it is not completely unusual for a Revenue Officer to meet with some resistance.

Another reason for the FairTax.

28 posted on 02/03/2010 7:26:52 AM PST by esarlls3
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To: hoosierham

Actually you can buy one for just a $5 tax stamp. But then you are listed as an “AOW” owner with the feds.


29 posted on 02/03/2010 7:29:20 AM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: CrazyIvan
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30 posted on 02/03/2010 7:30:05 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Leisler
STAND AND DELIVER!

31 posted on 02/03/2010 7:34:07 AM PST by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: esarlls3

True enough. However, there will still be irresponsible boneheads that don’t pay-up on the fair tax.

I work in tax law, and most of my Clients aren’t rich people that didn’t pay their 36% ...

— they’re regular Joe’s who haven’t filed in 10-years and thought the law didn’t apply to them;
— they’re self-employed people that didn’t withhold at all, and haven’t paid a nickel in a decade or so;
— they’re business owners that withheld taxes from their employees paychecks, and then neglected to forward the money to the IRS (that’s a good way to get a quick bank account seizure, by the way).

There will always have to be involuntary collection channels for non-compliance ... even under the fair tax.

SnakeDoc


32 posted on 02/03/2010 7:34:22 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: Habibi

Uzis in shopping bags.


33 posted on 02/03/2010 7:35:20 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Screw the polar bears. What have polar bears ever done for me?)
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To: Leisler

Yeah, but are they going to use steel shot on me? I wouldn’t want some buzzard to die of lead poisoning feasting on my rotting corpse.


34 posted on 02/03/2010 7:35:53 AM PST by chuckles
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To: CrazyIvan

“...Vice sure had some interesting firearms at times.”

Thank Michael Mann. Guy does great research. David Mamet (The Unit, Spartan, Ronin, House of Games, etc.) is another one who does the right thing.

If we could just get the Foley artists (sound guys who do footsteps, breaking necks, etc.) to not add the sound of a revolver being cocked when an actor rips a glock or sig out of their holsters.

Crocket carried a Bren 10!


35 posted on 02/03/2010 7:37:44 AM PST by petro45acp (Hey Doc! Don't tell me how to live my life. CURE what ails me so I can live how I choose.)
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To: Leisler

The business end of "liberal compassion".

36 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:18 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Leisler

O.K....I’ll buy a cannon!


37 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:40 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Dogrobber

Well said sir.


38 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:57 AM PST by petro45acp (Hey Doc! Don't tell me how to live my life. CURE what ails me so I can live how I choose.)
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To: Leisler

All inscribed with, “All your money are belong to us.”


39 posted on 02/03/2010 7:41:12 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Yeah, they damn sure wouldn’t have bible verses stamped into them.


40 posted on 02/03/2010 7:43:17 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: SnakeDoctor
True enough. However, there will still be irresponsible boneheads that don’t pay-up on the fair tax.

Why are they irresponsible boneheads? Why is it irresponsible to comply with someone stealing from you? I only comply with the income tax out of fear.

The IRS is America's Gestapo. It should be abolished. The 16th amendment should be repealed. The federal government does not have the moral authority to steal. They just have more and bigger guns and can kill people with impunity.

41 posted on 02/03/2010 7:43:55 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist. (Evil + Stupid) === Government)
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To: Leisler

Just like a common criminal, they stick a gun in your face and you VOLINTARILY give them your possessions. That’s our gubment.


42 posted on 02/03/2010 7:44:24 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Leisler

870 bump ‡


43 posted on 02/03/2010 7:46:05 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

They probably know only one verse- that ‘render unto Caesar’ deal is popular with leftists. Probably the only Bible verse they know by memory.


44 posted on 02/03/2010 7:47:08 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: hoosierham
-- If 14 inch shotgun barrels are government approved for their agents then we all should be able to have one if we want. --

The District Court held that section 11 of the [1934 National Firearms] Act violates the Second Amendment. It accordingly ... quashed the indictment. ...

In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.

US v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)

That was then. 1) Miller's indictment was quashed, and 2) the Supreme Court had no evidence regarding the efficacy of short barrel shotguns, and because it had no evidence, it COULD NOT SAY whether or not the 2nd amendment protected the forbidden weapon. If a Court had evidence that a short barrel shotgun met any of the several criteria the Supreme Court outlined, and if it followed the instructions of the Miller case, it would find, as did the court below in the Miller case, that the 1934 NFA ban on short barrel shotguns was unconstitutional.

Fast forward to 2008, and behold the Supreme Court butchering its own precedent.

The judgment in the [Miller] case upheld against a Second Amendment challenge two men's federal convictions for transporting an unregistered short-barreled shotgun in interstate commerce, in violation of the National Firearms Act ... It is entirely clear that the Court's basis for saying that the Second Amendment did not apply was ... that the type of weapon at issue was not eligible for Second Amendment protection.

District of Columbia v. Heller, No. 07-290 (2008)

My point being that the federal government is corrupt to the core. It draws it's "legitimacy" only from the credible threat of use of force against its subjects. It's position as superior against the people is morally void.

45 posted on 02/03/2010 7:47:59 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Leisler; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...
So the government confiscates our money before seeing our paychecks in order to purchase heavy firepower to use against the very people who fund their organization thereby strengthening the $11 billion leviathan that enforces an out of control, increasingly intrusive system consisting of more than 67,000 pages no one, even the IRS, can decipher.

Stop the insanity by insisting your Congress critters pass the Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296) that will replace all federal income taxes and abolish the IRS! Fair Tax ping!


46 posted on 02/03/2010 7:49:40 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: SnakeDoctor

They can do it through peaceful means, not violence against citizens.


47 posted on 02/03/2010 7:51:25 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Leisler

Typo correction: The Fair Tax will replace all federal income taxes with a national sales tax and abolish the IRS.


48 posted on 02/03/2010 7:53:29 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: tlb
. . . the weapon of choice was shotguns.

Because IRS agents couldn't hit the side of a barn with a rifle? Or maybe they are going squirrel hunting?

49 posted on 02/03/2010 7:54:53 AM PST by sportutegrl (VETO PROOF MAJORITY)
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To: CrazyIvan

According to my Mossberg catalog law enforcement is going to
the 14” shotgun because squad cars have become smaller and
this size works better to store and access.

LOL! What are they gonna do when Obama’s EPA decrees all squad cars must be Cooper Minis?


50 posted on 02/03/2010 7:55:31 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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