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Neo-Pagans Get Worship Circle at Air Force Academy
FoxNews.com ^ | February 1, 2010 | Jpseph Abrams

Posted on 02/03/2010 4:30:45 PM PST by khnyny

Witches, Druids and pagans rejoice! The Air Force Academy in Colorado is about to recognize its first Wiccan prayer circle, a Stonehenge on the Rockies that will serve as an outdoor place of worship for the academy's neo-pagans.

Wiccan cadets and officers on the Colorado Springs base have been convening for over a decade, but the school will officially dedicate a newly built circle of stones on about March 10, putting the outdoor sanctuary on an equal footing with the Protestant, Catholic, Jewish and Buddhist chapels on the base.

"When I first arrived here, Earth-centered cadets didn't have anywhere to call home," said Sgt. Robert Longcrier, the lay leader of the neo-pagan groups on base.

"Now, they meet every Monday night, they get to go on retreats, and they have a stone circle."

Academy officials had no tally of the number of Wiccan cadets at the school of 4,500, but said they had been angling to set up a proper space since the academic year began.

"That's one of the newer groups," said John Van Winkle, a spokesman for the academy. "They've had a worship circle on base for some time and we're looking to get them an official one."

The Air Force recognizes several distinct forms of neo-paganism, including Dianic Wicca, Seax Wicca, Gardnerian Wicca, shamanism and Druidism, according to Pagan groups that track the information.

Since a 2004 survey of cadets on the base revealed dozens of instances of harassment and intolerance, superintendent Michael Gould has made religious tolerance a priority.

Yet Van Winkle, the academy spokesman, said he could not confirm whether the school's superintendent or senior staff would attend the dedication ceremony.

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You can't make this stuff up...shakes head in disgust...
1 posted on 02/03/2010 4:30:48 PM PST by khnyny
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To: khnyny

“Earth-centered cadets”

Would never go to war the by nature hurts the earth.

Why would they join something that hurts the earth?


2 posted on 02/03/2010 4:33:21 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: khnyny

No one is ever wrong, just different. NOW SIT DOWN.


3 posted on 02/03/2010 4:34:42 PM PST by Feline_AIDS (Boop boop hoop yeah!)
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To: khnyny

Reminds me of that “Rome burns” thingy coming to pass.


4 posted on 02/03/2010 4:38:56 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: khnyny

Freedom of religion means that minority groups who believe in stuff you think is whacko have a right to believe and practice it too...


5 posted on 02/03/2010 4:39:32 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Without the Constitution, there is no America!)
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To: khnyny

Won’t be long, they will painting Wiccan symbols on jet fighters and bombers.


6 posted on 02/03/2010 4:43:50 PM PST by cranked
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Got that right.


7 posted on 02/03/2010 4:44:08 PM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: khnyny

Welcome to Obama’s America


8 posted on 02/03/2010 4:44:52 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
As long as our tax dollars aren’t going towards building their rock circle I could care less.
I do most of my praying outdoors to. Gets you close to God.
9 posted on 02/03/2010 4:46:07 PM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

At least they’re not Muzzies. Thanks khnyny.


10 posted on 02/03/2010 4:46:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: khnyny

Did you shake your head when the Army recognized Wiccans several years ago? Did you shake your head when the Veteran Administration recognized Wiccan and their religious symbol on headstones some years ago. No my friend...I shake my head in disgust with your inability to recognize that not everyone bows to your religious preference.


11 posted on 02/03/2010 4:49:24 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: khnyny

I am witnessing the death of Western Civilization in real time, from a front row seat.

How long can we hold on to the remaining shards of our freedom? Not much longer, I think.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 4:51:56 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: khnyny

Don’t Wiccans worship in the nude??


13 posted on 02/03/2010 4:55:35 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: EGPWS
Reminds me of that “Rome burns” thingy coming to pass.

The legions went wobbly after Jesus replaced Mithras.

14 posted on 02/03/2010 4:56:51 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Don't panic, the lunatics are in charge and have everything in hand.)
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To: khnyny

Welcome to a military stocked with Clinton, Bush, and Obama selected generals.

We used to have Pattons, now we have Nuttins.


15 posted on 02/03/2010 4:58:21 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: khnyny


"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN" --Thomas Jefferson

Freedom of Religion.
16 posted on 02/03/2010 5:04:39 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I am witnessing the death of Western Civilization in real time, from a front row seat.

Ten years left? Maybe twenty?

17 posted on 02/03/2010 5:10:36 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Freedom of religion does not mean the US military must accommodate or provide space to practice.
18 posted on 02/03/2010 5:11:51 PM PST by Jacquerie
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To: The Great RJ
>>Don’t Wiccans worship in the nude??

Don't they?


This was a marriage presided over by a Wiccan at a "Renaissance Festival"...

It's not my faith but, per the 1st amendment, they do have a right to seek a religious/spiritual path of their choosing.
19 posted on 02/03/2010 5:12:59 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: cranked
Won’t be long, they will painting Wiccan symbols on jet fighters and bombers.

That would be cool.

20 posted on 02/03/2010 5:14:14 PM PST by green iguana
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To: green iguana

lulz, you one of those “earth-centered” folks too?


21 posted on 02/03/2010 5:15:11 PM PST by cranked
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To: The Great RJ
Don’t Wiccans worship in the nude??

God, I hope not.

Wicca cadet

Sgt. Robert Longcrier, the lay leader of the Wiccan groups at the Air Force Academy, burns white sage to consecrate the stone worship circle.

22 posted on 02/03/2010 5:16:10 PM PST by Dinah Lord
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To: edcoil
Would never go to war the by nature hurts the earth.
Why would they join something that hurts the earth?

I'm not sure if Wiccan is roughly the same as Druid, but if it is, they definitely are not pacifists.

http://www.norfolkcoast.co.uk/historicnorwich/article_boudicca.htm

23 posted on 02/03/2010 5:18:03 PM PST by ARepublicanForAllReasons (Give 'em hell, Sarah!)
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To: BufordP

Heads up - earth centered people are taking over

[Mr] T


24 posted on 02/03/2010 5:18:36 PM PST by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: khnyny

What’s wrong with it? Non-Wiccans aren’t being forced to attend, you know.

Maybe you’d be happier if America forced them to convert (at the point of a sword, of course)? Or maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to defend our nation?

I know, a caste system! Christians get to fight in America’s wars, but non-Christians will be prohibited from doing so. Maybe we could go so far as to prohibit them from being able to own weapons... and make ‘em wear a patch on their clothes to single them out, too!


25 posted on 02/03/2010 5:29:06 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: cranked

Why, do we currently paint crosses on our planes? I’ve never seen that, and I’m in the AF.


26 posted on 02/03/2010 5:30:17 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: cranked

If one of those planes with a Wiccan symbol dropped a bomb on Bin Laden and blew him straight to Allah - I daresay I’d find a circle and dance in it myself.


27 posted on 02/03/2010 5:40:15 PM PST by LussaO
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To: cranked

Oh no - they just have some pretty cool symbols that would work very well on a fighter.


28 posted on 02/03/2010 5:43:31 PM PST by green iguana
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To: khnyny

If they want to look ridiculous then I say let them! Neo-paganism is the spiritual equivalent of playing Magic the Gathering.


29 posted on 02/03/2010 5:51:22 PM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: gogogodzilla

So Christians despise non-believers and pagans, but will die to defend them? Wow, that’s kind of noble and screwed up at the same time.


30 posted on 02/03/2010 5:51:31 PM PST by LussaO
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To: Soothesayer

I’ve never seen a Wiccan cast a diet spell.


31 posted on 02/03/2010 5:53:18 PM PST by LussaO
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To: trooprally; 3D-JOY; 50mm; AGreatPer; calcowgirl; cindy-true-supporter; concretebob; Disco Dave; ...
And soon there will be GAY wiccans in the military, my little pretty!
31½ posted on 02/03/2010 9:06:08 PM EST by Wicked Witch of the West (And your mangy little dog, too! )

To: 3D-Joy; 50mm; AGreatPer; calcowgirl; cindyTrueSupporter; concretebob; Disco Dave; Doctor Raoul; ...
ping!

If you want off my ping list get over it!


32 posted on 02/03/2010 6:06:25 PM PST by BufordP ("I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market ..." --George "Hoover" Bush)
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To: khnyny
I don't think of wiccans as practicing a real religion. I think it is nothing more than pop culture. There is no century by century link to these practices. The wiccan “religion” was formed from bits and pieces of a recreated religion that has not been practiced for thousands of years. The wiccan belief is something very recent, not something that is ancient. I can remember when wiccanism came on the scene- that was in the seventies.

In the late sixties there was a media blitz of occult subjects such as astrology, witchcraft, reincarnation etc. Before this time it was not common to see these things. The only thing I remember about witchcraft before this period was in the movie “Bell, Book and Candle” which came out about 1958.

I am 62 years old so I remember things going back to the fifties, sixties and seventies. The decade of the sixties was the decade that saw American culture flip. You really have to be old enough to remember those decades to see how much our culture changed and to see how rapidly it changed and how the media and Hollywood pushed all the aspects of the “youth culture” on America's young people.

The post-sixties world brought us all sorts of cults and unconventional beliefs. Today there are people who even think of themselves as vampires. There are vampire weddings. How nutty is that!

I know that everybody has a right to believe whatever they want, but does that mean that they have to be accommodated in an official way?

33 posted on 02/03/2010 6:11:04 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Soothesayer

I so agree they are like little kids playing make believe.


34 posted on 02/03/2010 6:12:09 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: The Great RJ

If this is true, and depending on the constituency of the flock, I might be able to sit through a mass or ceremony. Just to show my respect for other’s beliefs, of course...


35 posted on 02/03/2010 6:39:56 PM PST by dcgst4
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To: cranked

The following information is from Wikipedia: “Wicca”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca#Ritual_practices

Worldwide membership in Wiccan religions is estimated to be approx. 800,000 members.

In the United States population alone, there have been many attempts at finding a figure, with the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey estimating that at least 134,000 adults identified themselves as Wiccans. This is in comparison to 8,000 in 1990.

Wiccans make up significant proportions of various groups within the U.S. For instance, Wicca is the largest non-Christian faith practiced in the United States Air Force, with 1,434 airmen identifying themselves as such.

What the HE!!!???

I am REALLY beginning to be glad that people don’t live forever and I am almost 52!


36 posted on 02/03/2010 6:55:39 PM PST by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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To: pissant

It was GW Bush’s administration that first recognized Wiccans. Next?


37 posted on 02/03/2010 7:06:36 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Recognized them for what? That they exist? Did Bush tell the AF to build a satanic alter for them?


38 posted on 02/03/2010 7:08:23 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: khnyny

What do you think about the following excerpt from the article cited below?

Is Wicca a form of Satanism?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_sata.htm

Wicca, as viewed by Neopagans:

Wicca is unrelated to Satanism. It is a group of religious traditions: some are highly structured, while most are eclectic. Many, perhaps most, Wiccans are solitary practitioners. They are, in many ways, directly opposite to Satanists:

Wiccans worship a Goddess and her consort, a God.
They do not recognize Satan or any other all-evil supernatural entity.
Their prime symbol is the exact opposite to the symbol used by Satanists. It is the upright pentagram — a 5-pointed star with two points downward and one up. Sometimes it is enclosed by a circle to form a pentacle.
Their groups are called covens, not grottos or temples.
Their rule of behavior is called the Wiccan Rede: “An it harm none, do what thou wilt.” i.e. do whatever you wish, as long as it harms no one, including yourself. Unlike Satanists, Wiccans are not allowed do dominate, manipulate, control, or harm others.

They believe that they worship neither the Christian God nor the Christian devil. They worship a Goddess and a God. Neither is at all similar to Satan. Wicca, and other forms of Neopaganism, are as different from Satanism as Hinduism is from Christianity.


39 posted on 02/03/2010 7:11:39 PM PST by BIOCHEMKY (I love liberty more than I hate war.)
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To: BufordP
I was stuck at West Point for a few years teaching/installing computers. Got to know it pretty well.

If anyone ever goes there check out the graveyard. Some of the high faulting generals, etc., had some pretty weird thoughts. One tombstone says, "Here we go again for the 7th time".
There is even a Hugh pyramid tomb. General believed he would live forever in it.

40 posted on 02/03/2010 7:16:40 PM PST by AGreatPer (Impeach Obama)
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To: LussaO

Just extrapolating from the original comment.

And it is, isn’t it?


41 posted on 02/03/2010 7:17:00 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: pissant

Wiccans have no more satantic alters than christians. The taxpayer cost of moving a few rocks around for the Wiccans is far less expensive than building chapels for the christians. Idea... lets not support any religion in the military. Let members attend religious services off post/base. That should please you....correct?


42 posted on 02/03/2010 7:17:44 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

You’re an idiot


43 posted on 02/03/2010 7:18:47 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: khnyny

So what nation do pagans serve? Certainly not mine.


44 posted on 02/03/2010 7:20:14 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: LussaO
>>And soon there will be GAY wiccans in the military
 
Sorry, transhumanism / postgenderism is where I draw the line.
 
Humans only. No eunuch mutants or other abominations of nature allowed.
 
Humanity has been there, did that - with historically observable and predictable results:
Rom 1:25-29
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.
 
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
 
28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice.
NIV
Are we there yet?
 

45 posted on 02/03/2010 7:40:58 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: eleni121

>>So what nation do pagans serve?
>>Certainly not mine.

That was sort of the point of the 1st amendment - not being forced to serve, or worship, ala government religious mandate.


46 posted on 02/03/2010 7:44:25 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: cradle of freedom

[In the late sixties there was a media blitz of occult subjects such as astrology, witchcraft, reincarnation etc]

Same thing happened back in the “roaring” 20’s. The obsession with Egyptian/oriental mysticism is self-evident in the stonework of cemetery crypts and headstones dating from that period.

What we have today is pretty much the same moral climate that existed leading up to 1929.

God is dead, therefore we are as gods and can make up our own rules.


47 posted on 02/03/2010 7:52:28 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: The Great RJ

Don’t Wiccans worship in the nude??

Called being "Skyclad"

But nude doesn't have to be nasty.


48 posted on 02/03/2010 7:56:08 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.")
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To: BIOCHEMKY
>>>Wicca is the largest non-Christian faith practiced in the United States Air Force,
>>>with 1,434 airmen identifying themselves as such.

>>What the HE!!!???

It's not all that surprising - when the OTO antics of Jack Parsons, founder of JPL are taken into consideration.

Birds of a feather...

 

49 posted on 02/03/2010 8:04:28 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LussaO

Then you would wake the next morning and realize that the death of Osama bin Laden would have no impact at all on international terrorism or Islamic terrorism aimed at the U.S. He will be replaced by others, some probably more lethal in scale than bin Laden could have ever dreamed of actually being. In other words, your dance would be short-lived and pointless.


50 posted on 02/03/2010 8:36:07 PM PST by cranked
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