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Eustace Mullins has died
www.therightperspective.org ^ | 2/3/10

Posted on 02/03/2010 6:16:03 PM PST by Borges

Legendary author of hundreds of books and pamphlets demolishing the lies of warmaking mainstream media, historian Eustace Mullins died Tuesday, Feb. 2, at the home of his caretaker in a small town in Texas.

Mullins, who would have been 87 in March, suffered a stroke three weeks ago in Columbus, Ohio. He had been on an extended tour of his admirers for much of the past year, visiting and chatting with many of his thousands of fans who jumped at the chance to buy his books from him in person.

The author of such incendiary books as “Secrets of the Federal Reserve,” “Murder by Injection,” and “The Curse of Canaan,” Mullins was harrassed by the FBI for almost a half century, and had one of his books burned in Germany in the 1950s. These stories are recounted in one of his books, “A Writ for Martyrs.”

A protege of the imprisoned patriotic poet Ezra Pound, Mullins compiled a well-researched corpus of works that detailed the passage down through time of a hereditary group of banker killers who have essentially ruled the world from behind the scenes since ancient times.

“Eustace Mullins was the greatest political historian of the 20th century, and not just because he was not beholden to the power structure that deters candid reports about significant events, but because, guided by the greatest poet of the 20th century who was imprisoned for broadcasting for peace, his meticulous research eventually uncovered virtually every political secret of the last 400 years,” said Internet essayist John Kaminski of Mullins’ passing.

“It’s a pity so many people are afraid to believe what Mullins told them, because it was much more of the truth than has ever been seen in our schools or our media,” Kaminski added.


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Despite this flowery obit I believe this guy was a Willis Carto style Holocaust Denier.
1 posted on 02/03/2010 6:16:03 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Yeah, I wondered from the “hereditary group of banker killers who have essentially ruled the world from behind the scenes since ancient times.” Let me see, those would be.....?


2 posted on 02/03/2010 6:19:29 PM PST by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Borges
the imprisoned patriotic poet Ezra Pound

This was enough to tell me where the guy's sympathies lay. Aide-de-camp to a talentless madman, anti-Semite, and fascist.

3 posted on 02/03/2010 6:27:50 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Borges

Yo they left this out of his obit...
In 1968, Mullins authored a tract entitled The Biological Jew (Staunton, Va., Faith and Service Books, Aryan League of America, 1968). The tract includes the following statement about Nazi antisemitism: “Nazism is simply this — a proposal that the German people rid themselves of the parasitic Jews. The gentile host dared to protest against the continued presence of the parasite, and attempted to throw it off.” The book also claims that Jews “drink the blood of an innocent gentile child” in religious ceremonies, and that this practice represents the essence of Judaism. [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_Mullins


4 posted on 02/03/2010 6:28:10 PM PST by GSP.FAN (These are the times that try men's souls.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I know you just love 'conservatives' like this!
5 posted on 02/03/2010 6:34:50 PM PST by Borges
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To: IronJack

Yep. And one hell of a crappy poet, too.


6 posted on 02/03/2010 6:37:42 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Bhoy

Sorry I’m not selling the video. That was just in there. Oooppss.


8 posted on 02/03/2010 6:42:09 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: Bhoy

Ha!


9 posted on 02/03/2010 6:48:12 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Mea culpa mr (ms) admin mod. i stand corrected.
(blush)


10 posted on 02/03/2010 6:59:19 PM PST by Bhoy
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To: Bhoy

I’m not the Mod.


11 posted on 02/03/2010 7:00:17 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Prayers for a deeply misguided soul.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 7:21:13 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Borges
"Despite this flowery obit I believe this guy was a Willis Carto style Holocaust Denier."

You would be right! He was a dirtbag racist and Jew baiter and like Carto he pounded out screed for generations. The sooner Carto follows him the better.

13 posted on 02/03/2010 7:35:57 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Borges

Never heard of the guy before. Any relation to Moon Mullins?


14 posted on 02/03/2010 7:35:58 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Borges

So, the old anti-Semite has finally gone to his Maker. I suspect he’s got some explaining to do.


15 posted on 02/03/2010 7:40:12 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: IronJack

You’re absolutely right: Ezra Pound was NOT a patriot. He supported America’s ENEMIES during WWII, and was later imprisoned for it. He served in Mussolini’s government as a propagandist against the Allied cause. The man who submitted this obituary needs to be horsewhipped.


16 posted on 02/03/2010 8:33:18 PM PST by TimeLord (A whale fetus is a whale; a human fetus is a blob.)
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To: TimeLord

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound


17 posted on 02/03/2010 10:10:37 PM PST by packrat35 (Democrat Healthcare is a 9-11 Attack on the Constitution)
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To: Borges
I know you just love 'conservatives' like this!

The death of the wicked is a time of rejoicing! Guess ol' Eustace is now teaching his fellow Nazis all about "the money power" down in Ge'-Benei-Hinnom.

Still, I wonder that FR would allow you to post articles from such a site.

18 posted on 02/04/2010 8:19:08 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: SuzyQue
Yeah, I wondered from the “hereditary group of banker killers who have essentially ruled the world from behind the scenes since ancient times.” Let me see, those would be.....?

Wow, them there JEWS have been in the banking business a long time, haven't they?

Wonder if they were also making dirty movies way back then as well? [/sarcasm]

19 posted on 02/04/2010 8:23:07 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I looked over that site and apart from this obit it seemed fairly OK. Maybe I didn’t look all that deeply.


20 posted on 02/04/2010 8:37:34 AM PST by Borges
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To: IronJack

During his entire adult life, Mullins associated with neo-nazi and racist organizations.

In October 1952 he wrote “Hitler: An Appreciation” for the National Renaissance Party Bulletin. In 1955, he wrote “Jews Mass Poison America’s Children” for the Chicago newsletter, Women’s Voice.

See the following 18-page report for background on Mullins:

http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/mullins


21 posted on 02/04/2010 11:00:06 AM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: Borges

Incidentally, Eustace Mullins was not as often claimed “an historian”.

Even the John Birch Society correctly recognized that he was nothing more than an anti-semitic propagandist.

In February 1966, Donald Gray, (the Birch Society’s Wholesale Book Division Business Manager) sent a memo to all of the Society’s American Opinion Bookstores. The purpose of the memo was to identify the type of material that should NOT be sold in, or recommended by, JBS bookstores.

Gray described such verboten material as:

“...most of the books and pamphlets with an anti-Semitic flavor which we omit from our booklist (that) are not of sufficient value in substance or scholarship to rise above the level of anti-Semitic invective or propaganda. Frankly, in our opinion, this applies to most of the books or pamphlets by Marilyn Allen, Richard Cotten, Myron Fagan, Kenneth Goff, Wickliffe Vennard, Eustace Mullins, Gerald L.K. Smith, Robert H. Williams, and Benjamin Freedman.”


22 posted on 02/04/2010 11:00:49 AM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: searching123
Thanks for the link. Nazis are all garbage, pure and simple. It's not surprising that homosexuality and other deviations are so common among them.

Also of interest is the question asked at the end of the article:

Many right-wing conspiracy believers insist that communists, nazis, fascists, and assorted Hitler-admirers belong together on the EXTREME LEFT side of a political spectrum, i.e. they are ALL "collectivists" and "socialists".

One wonders, therefore, how conspiracy believers explain why Mullins (whom many right-wing individuals and organizations effusively praise as a “patriot”) nevertheless has spent so much of his life associating with, working with, writing for, and/or promoting and recommending such Hitler-admiring and, therefore, supposedly “collectivist”, and/or "leftist", and/or "socialist" individuals, groups and publications as:

Adolf Hitler

James Madole / National Renaissance Party Bulletin

National Socialist White People’s Party / Matt Koehl

William B. Wernecke / Nationalist Conservative Party

National States Rights Party / J.B. Stoner / Ed Fields / The Thunderbolt

Realpolitical Institute

Elizabeth Dilling / The Dilling Bulletin

Lyrl Clark Van Hyning / Women’s Voice

Maynard O. Nelsen / Democratic Nationalist Party

?????

It makes absolutely no sense to insist "Nazism was left wing" when it dovetails so nicely with right wing conspiracy theory. Personally, my political spectrum doesn't run from "total government" to "no government" since there are totalitarians and anarchists on both the Left and the Right. I believe Left and Right are defined by something other than the size of government advocated.

23 posted on 02/04/2010 12:34:55 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: searching123
Incidentally, Eustace Mullins was not as often claimed “an historian”.

Even the John Birch Society correctly recognized that he was nothing more than an anti-semitic propagandist.

In February 1966, Donald Gray, (the Birch Society’s Wholesale Book Division Business Manager) sent a memo to all of the Society’s American Opinion Bookstores. The purpose of the memo was to identify the type of material that should NOT be sold in, or recommended by, JBS bookstores.

Gray described such verboten material as:

“...most of the books and pamphlets with an anti-Semitic flavor which we omit from our booklist (that) are not of sufficient value in substance or scholarship to rise above the level of anti-Semitic invective or propaganda. Frankly, in our opinion, this applies to most of the books or pamphlets by Marilyn Allen, Richard Cotten, Myron Fagan, Kenneth Goff, Wickliffe Vennard, Eustace Mullins, Gerald L.K. Smith, Robert H. Williams, and Benjamin Freedman.”

Unfortunately, many Birch publications teach fundamentally the same worldview as the neo-Nazis, the only difference being that "the Jews" are not openly blamed. But this doesn't keep plenty of Birchers from drawing the ultimate conclusions, and when the Society kicks them out others take their place to be poisoned in turn. Plus they have promoted such out-and-out anti-Semites as Nesta Webster, Prince Michel Sturdza, and Joe Sobran.

As for the great John F. McManus who here seems like such a friend of the Jews for attacking Mullins, William Norman Grigg (himself certainly not a sparkling example in this area as he has defended Sobran and still associates with the anti-Israel "palaeo" movement) has claimed on the Internet that he (McManus) is a Feeneyite Catholic who when not about his Birch duties often gives presentations on "The Jewish Menace" to Feeneyite groups. Apparently so long as he doesn't spew such poison in his Birch capacity the Society has no qualms whatsoever about having such a person as a long time high ranking officer.

24 posted on 02/04/2010 12:43:15 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Making fair and accurate judgments about the Birch Society has always been difficult because the JBS does not permit outside independent researchers to have access to their archives for historical research or access to its membership in order to obtain factual data about their beliefs.

Yes, the current JBS President (John McManus) caused a great deal of embarrassment to the Society because of his remarks before traditionalist Catholic organizations which both the former and current CEO’s of the JBS considered blatantly anti-semitic. The former Senior Editor of the JBS magazine has posted lengthy articles about this controversy here:

http://jbsrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/of-conscience-and-cowardice.html

You can also listen to audio voicemail clips of senior JBS officials (including the current JBS CEO, Art Thompson) commenting on the McManus controversy here:

http://donfoth.com/audio1.html

However, there is a difference between active advocacy of anti-semitic viewpoints (a la Mullins) versus explicit condemnation of, and dissociation from, such viewpoints (a la the JBS). The point is that the JBS was embarrassed by McManus’s comments (even though they were his personal views — not those of the JBS) whereas Mullins endorsed and circulated such Jew-hatred and considered himself a hero for doing so!

You are TOTALLY wrong in your statement that:
“Unfortunately, many Birch publications teach fundamentally the same worldview as the neo-Nazis, the only difference being that “the Jews” are not openly blamed.”

The Birch Society considers Hitler-admirers, neo-nazis, and fascists of all stripes to be malignant, despicable varieties of socialism, statism and collectivism. To attempt to link the JBS with “neo-nazis” is intellectually dishonest. Any JBS member who reveals such sentiments is immediately dropped from JBS membership.

With respect to Nesta Webster and the other persons you mention, the Birch Society is not responsible for every comment ever made by such individuals.

Your guilt-by-association technique is a rather transparent device on your part to pretend that there are no moral or practical distinctions to be made. So, for example, if I can find something you have written which praises our founding fathers — I could point out that most of them were slave owners or they defended/protected the institution of human slavery — and, thus, I could (using your technique) claim you are a bigot and racist.


25 posted on 02/04/2010 8:12:31 PM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: searching123
Thank you for the links. Unfortunately, we must agree to disagree about the Birch Society, an organization to which I once belonged.

Of course the JBS condemns blatant anti-Semites. If they did not do so, they could not turn people into anti-Semites by posing as a legitimate organization and then exposing them to conspiracy theory.

As to the JBS' labeling of anti-Semites as collectivists, one of the sites you linked to earlier dealt with this very question: how can American right wingers label Nazism "left wing" when their is such a commonality of views, sources, etc., between palaeoconservativism (such as Birchism) and out-and-out anti-Semitism? Perhaps the Birch Society should investigate its own charges against "international bankers" and "privately-owned banking monopolies" before calling anyone else a "collectivist." That sounds an awful lot like socialism to me!

Only the American Right is "individualistic." Everywhere else in the world the Right is just as collectivist as the left, only in a different way: vertical rather than horizontal, hierarchical rather than egalitarian, organic rather than atomistic. Besides, what is more "collectivistic" and less "individualistic" than national patriotism?

The Birch Society is the pre-WWII Right's front group for brainwashing people gradually. I know there are many find people who are members, including Jewish members who (unlike gentile Birchers) are strong supporters of Israel. But the people who founded and who have run the Society for over fifty years are nutcases.

26 posted on 02/05/2010 7:44:21 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: searching123

PS: I have read the information at this link before. It is to a blog by William Norman Grigg, a former Bircher (and current critic) who, for all his anti-Birchism, is still a Lew Rockwell/Ron Paul “palaeoconservative” and who says he does not consider Joe Sobran to be an anti-Semite. Ick.


27 posted on 02/05/2010 7:46:55 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The problem with your analysis is that you engage in lowest-common-denominator reasoning.

Different types of the same thing can have materially important distinguishing features which make them incompatible with one another. For example: All humans have blood, but if you are given the wrong blood type, you die.

It is important for us to recognize materially important distinctions if we want to understand ourselves and human history correctly.

All political extremists may share common attitudes and may suffer from the same type of intellectual and moral deficiencies – but, nevertheless, they do have unique distinguishing features which render them incompatible with each other.

Consequently, they cannot be grouped together upon a political spectrum if you want to truly understand what motivates people to gravitate toward their candidates, their ideas, and their proposals and if you want to understand why a specific targeted audience becomes receptive to such candidates, ideas, and proposals.

The JBS is not (as you claim) some sort of incubator for anti-semitism. They are not “posing” as an anti- anti-semitism organization. But it IS true that an unusual number of persons who ARE anti-semitic have attached themselves to the JBS because they agree with JBS interpretations of postwar U.S. history.

You claim that there is some affinity between anti-semites and neo-nazis and the JBS — i.e. what you describe as “a commonality of views, sources, etc.”

If THAT is the single most important criterion — then YOU shall be judged by the same principle. Consequently, if I find ANY “commonality” (i.e. lowest common denominator) in something you write which links you to some noxious individual, group, or publication — then it is entirely reasonable and permissible to associate you with them.

ACTUAL prominent neo-nazi and anti-semitic individuals and organizations have a long history of denouncing the JBS as worthless and amounting to a “false flag” operation designed to “neutralize” genuine anti-communist activities. See, for example, the articles which excoriate the JBS and its leadership by Elizabeth Dilling, Eustace Mullins and Revilo Oliver (both of whom claimed that Jews ran the JBS!!), William Pierce (National Alliance and formerly American Nazi Party), George Lincoln Rockwell (founder of American Nazi Party), and many more.


28 posted on 02/05/2010 10:38:30 AM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The difference between you and Grigg is that Grigg actually knows Joe Sobran and you don’t. It is easy to make derogatory judgments from long-distance — particularly since you are interested in demonizing people because of their viewpoints and you seem disinterested in their actual character or motives.

Grigg and I disagree about many matters — but he is acutely sensitive to prejudice due to his own ethnic background — and he has always exhibited zero-tolerance for bigots of any type. You mis-characterize his position as “anti-Birchism”. Grigg is still very much a Bircher. He accepts their basic premises. But he also has enough character and integrity not to defend the indefensible. Grigg has denounced JBS President John McManus for his anti-semitic comments before Catholic organizations and Grigg has not been shy about pointing out character flaws in other senior JBS leaders.

Before Grigg, Alan Stang and Gary Allen performed the same service when they dissociated themselves from the Society and exposed the “dirty linen” of the JBS.


29 posted on 02/05/2010 10:38:30 AM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: searching123
The JBS is not (as you claim) some sort of incubator for anti-semitism.

Yes it is.

They are not “posing” as an anti- anti-semitism organization.

Yes they are.

But it IS true that an unusual number of persons who ARE anti-semitic have attached themselves to the JBS because they agree with JBS interpretations of postwar U.S. history.

Yes they have. And the JBS doesn't give a darn how anti-Semitic they are so long as they don't embarrass them publicly (influencing the membership is another thing altogether).

The JBS regards anyone who believes in "the conspiracy" as an ideological comrade, no matter how anti-Semitic they are. Their magazine has lauded people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford, even excusing Ford for building truck plants in the USSR. Obviously, anyone who hates the Jews has his heart in the right place so far as they're concerned.

The JBS is the American section of the same right wing that gave us Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Salazar, etc. And with only the exception of the first two (who were discredited by history) and for some strange reason Juan Peron they identify with them. They regard totalitarian collectivists like Franco and Salazar as heroes. No, I'm not equating Franco and Salazar with Communists because they were not Communists and as imperfect as their regimes were, they were far preferable to Communism. However, the ideology of Franco and Salazar (and Chiang Kai-shek and George Papadopoulos) was very very different from the Thomas Jefferson/Jefferson Davis libertarianism and localism the Birch Society advocates. I used to wonder about how they could regard Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant while praising Franco and Papadopoulos to the skies, but I now understand that this is part and parcel of the palaeoright ideology: radical relativism based on local beliefs. European right wingers advocate a totalitarian "organic" collectivism and the American palaeoright advocates the Jeffersonian "compact theory," and each is the "true position" for that particular culture. Palaeoconservatives at bottom are rejecters of universals, so naturally what is right for Greece isn't going to be right for America.

I was a member of the Birch Society. It is poison.

30 posted on 02/05/2010 12:36:16 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: searching123
The difference between you and Grigg is that Grigg actually knows Joe Sobran and you don’t. It is easy to make derogatory judgments from long-distance — particularly since you are interested in demonizing people because of their viewpoints and you seem disinterested in their actual character or motives.

Then he certainly knows that Sobran is not only an anti-Zionist but a racialist as well. He has spoken before the avowedly racialist "Council of Conservative Citizens" (successor to the old White Citzens Councils). How in the world can one be a radical individualist and a racialist at the same time?

Joe Sobran is a typical palaeo hypocrite for opposing Jewish ethnic solidarity while advocating it for non-Jewish Europeans (all "nationalists" and advocates of "racial integrity" are opposed to Jewish ethnicity because they know that the distinctiveness of Israel is connected to the unity of the human race under G-d, which is why they see Jewish separateness as causing "racial amalgamation" and "leveling" everywhere else). And by making himself an enemy of the Jewish People he has made himself an enemy of G-d.

There is no legitimate use for solidarity with any anti-Semite for any reason at any time or in any place. Period.

31 posted on 02/05/2010 12:42:19 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Your animus against the Birch Society is so pervasive that it has warped your reasoning ability.

Since you claim to have been a former JBS member, I deduce that the same intellectual deficiencies which led you to join and believe their arguments still predominate in your intellect. You seem incapable of discerning nuances. You prefer absolutist certitudes.

You prefer cartoon caricatures, i.e. total villains with utterly no redeeming characteristics. Consequently, any “link”, no matter how feeble, is elevated by you to cosmic truth proportions.

Thus, in your scheme of things, even though the JBS has hundreds or thousands of Jewish and African-American members — they all must be brain-dead because, according to you, the JBS is a racist, anti-semitic organization.

Thus, in your scheme of things, even when the JBS publishes explicit denunciations of racism and anti-semitism and it expels from membership anyone who reveals or condones such sentiments — that means nothing whatsoever.

Thus, in your scheme of things, even though the JBS has described ALL forms of collectivism or statism as malignant depredations of everything decent and honorable — they are, nevertheless, crypto-fascists because they occasionally recommend or sell books authored by persons who have had some connection to what you consider fascist ideas or groups—even though the publications which the JBS recommends have no content which endorses or promotes fascism.

Sorry, Zionist Conspirator, but your mental processes seem like the natural progression of someone who was defective intellectually to begin with which explains both your pro-JBS and anti-JBS incarnations.


32 posted on 02/05/2010 3:54:20 PM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: searching123
Your animus against the Birch Society is so pervasive that it has warped your reasoning ability.

Take a walk in my shoes, pal.

Since you claim to have been a former JBS member,

And why would I claim such a thing if it weren't true? Because I'm just a big meanie?

I deduce that the same intellectual deficiencies which led you to join and believe their arguments still predominate in your intellect. You seem incapable of discerning nuances. You prefer absolutist certitudes.

I believe in G-d if that's what you mean.

You prefer cartoon caricatures, i.e. total villains with utterly no redeeming characteristics. Consequently, any “link”, no matter how feeble, is elevated by you to cosmic truth proportions.

Thus, in your scheme of things, even though the JBS has hundreds or thousands of Jewish and African-American members — they all must be brain-dead because, according to you, the JBS is a racist, anti-semitic organization.

Thousands of Black Birchers? Wow. Why don't they have any effect on the death hug their fellow-Blacks are engaged in with Communism, Darwinism, and homosexuality?

Thus, in your scheme of things, even when the JBS publishes explicit denunciations of racism and anti-semitism and it expels from membership anyone who reveals or condones such sentiments — that means nothing whatsoever.

The ideology, philosophy, and literature the Birchers share with racists and anti-Semites is simply too great. REad Birch literature and then read Klan literature. There's simply too much in common. What good to "denunciations of racism" do with regard to actions?

Thus, in your scheme of things, even though the JBS has described ALL forms of collectivism or statism as malignant depredations of everything decent and honorable — they are, nevertheless, crypto-fascists because they occasionally recommend or sell books authored by persons who have had some connection to what you consider fascist ideas or groups—even though the publications which the JBS recommends have no content which endorses or promotes fascism.

The copyright to Webster's tracts was held by a racialist publishing house so they broke the law to sell illegal pirated copies. And Prince Michel Sturdza's books had to be bowdlerized so the word Evrei (Romanian for "Jews") was removed and replaced with "certain people." What kind of outfit would bowdlerize such a book to publish it?

Furthermore, the Birchers (and their fellow "palaeos") oppose statism in the USA. They're all for it in Spain, Portugal, Greece, Taiwan, and the Dominican Republic. One of Robert Welch's anti-Communist heroes was Rafael Trujillo who ruled a one-party state (and everyone had to be a member of the Party), required his picture to be hung in every home, and whose family owned everything in the country--which is socialism without the statism. Like all "palaeos," they deny universals. They believe in a Jefferson Davis philosophy for America, Franco for Spain, Chiang for China, Syngman Rhee for South Korea, Papadopoulos for Greece, etc. Forgive me, but if what Papadopoulos did in Greece was good for Greece, then it should be good for America as well. And if it isn't good for America, then it isn't good for Greece. And again, I am not saying any of these dictators were as bad as the Communists because they were NOT.

Sorry, Zionist Conspirator, but your mental processes seem like the natural progression of someone who was defective intellectually to begin with which explains both your pro-JBS and anti-JBS incarnations.

Well, you know what they say about us rednecks not being too bright.

33 posted on 02/06/2010 5:06:18 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'meru, "Kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Your personal opinion are just that — your personal opinions.

However, you have no basis in FACT to make the assertions you have made.

Perhaps the single most compelling contemporary bit of evidence which proves how absurd your characterization of the JBS is — is the fact that the only Congressperson who achieved a 100% score on the JBS “Freedom Index” is Cong. Ron Paul.

You cannot get more diametrically opposite to fascist values and principles than Ron Paul. Nevertheless, he is the person whom the JBS sets up as the most representative of the type of politician they favor.

There is not much point in continuing this discussion because your opposition to the JBS is not based upon fact. It is visceral dislike. I have spent 40+ years debating JBS members and JBS officials and they universally despise me — but even I could not arrive at the conclusions you make.

Incidentally, just to illustrate the absurdity of your claim that the JBS is anti-Jewish and crypto-fascist, you might like to read the following blog attack upon me which was written by a genuine fascist neo-nazi who claims that the JBS is controlled by Jews!!

http://jewonstormfront.blogspot.com/2010/02/stormfront-and-ernie1241aolcom.html?showComment=1265602920041_AIe9_BG6b_dJ40ubokCeVMFYUXLh7fC9Gx8dI3dtrmrYy6bkGquQAWKBBGTBAUa5DeVLY1CFHmgggPYDQ96O06LWSaRE1sRkNhTr49QQcHsnNOl7OZAMjWorgJM-57HRsmtDUllV2a_DDvitzyxvcpS6Quu6d-WcA6KG73UgdzDUUMLm7t8ahl4zpOmy3lgtCr_cQ1jgXR9FnudmJv7Hg63uZqHcE9e3aX6umPQAuStfplviXQHFl4g#c1043316437750445892


34 posted on 02/07/2010 9:16:56 PM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: searching123
Perhaps the single most compelling contemporary bit of evidence which proves how absurd your characterization of the JBS is — is the fact that the only Congressperson who achieved a 100% score on the JBS “Freedom Index” is Cong. Ron Paul.

You cannot get more diametrically opposite to fascist values and principles than Ron Paul. Nevertheless, he is the person whom the JBS sets up as the most representative of the type of politician they favor.

Ron Paul intentionally appeals to anti-Semites and neo-Nazis. No wonder the Birch Society likes him.

Let's get something straight: "fascist" (with a small "f") is a Leftist smear word. The only reason I used it at all was that Nesta Webster was a capital "F" Fascist who belonged to a capital "F" Fascist organization. "Capital F Fascism" refers only to Mussolini's movement and government in Italy and to nothing else. Italian Fascism originally had no racial element to its doctrine whatsoever (there were many Jewish Fascists in Italy and even in pre-state "Palestine"). The JBS is not a front group for Italian Fascism (which doesn't even exist anymore, having been completely co-opted by Nazism). It is a front group for the anti-Semitic movement.

It is true that I have a visceral dislike of the Birch Society, having once been duped into becoming a member. This visceral dislike is completely understandable.

Of course out-and-out Nazi groups like Stormfront condemn the JBS as "Jewish." Otherwise JBS wouldn't be "respectable" enough to do its job.

Why don't you and I stop arguing about the Birch Society?

35 posted on 02/08/2010 8:07:15 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'meru, "Kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!")
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You’re right — it is pointless to continue. Anyone who claims that Ron Paul “intentionally appeals to anti-semites and neo-nazis” is so intellectually dishonest that there is no possible basis for any conversation.

Incidentally, I very much doubt that you ever were a JBS member.


36 posted on 02/08/2010 9:05:08 AM PST by searching123 (BirchSociety, CleonSkousen, GlennBeck, FBI)
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To: searching123
You’re right — it is pointless to continue. Anyone who claims that Ron Paul “intentionally appeals to anti-semites and neo-nazis” is so intellectually dishonest that there is no possible basis for any conversation.

I'm not the one being intellectually dishonest here.

Incidentally, I very much doubt that you ever were a JBS member.

Of course. I'm just a big meanie who lies because he's ee-vil.

Noob.

37 posted on 02/08/2010 9:32:23 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'meru, "Kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`aseh venishma`!")
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To: wideawake

Had you heard of this guy? This obit is amusing/appalling.


38 posted on 02/14/2010 9:48:56 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges; Zionist Conspirator
Had you heard of this guy? This obit is amusing/appalling.

Eustace Mullins occupied the bizarre little world of the "intellectual" anti-Semites.

He falls into the category of Francis Parker Yockey, Revilo P. Oliver, Joseph Sobran, Guy Chesham, Maurice Bardeche, Julius Evola and the latest Russian iteration of the type: Alexander Dugin.

You're quite familiar with these charlatans, Borges. They all consider themselves to be intellectual giants, far more learned and erudite than mere mortals. They have courageously and brilliantly unraveled secrets that other men are too cowardly and stupid to fathom.

In short: they are self-reinforcing sociopaths.

And don't bother pointing out that their tediously written and copiously footnoted screeds are full of factual errors and references to the same short list of similar paranoid screeds - history has been written by the conspiracists, and any request that they substantiate their claims with independent sources is proof that the questioner is a dupe or an agent of the dark forces they're battling.

Remember that they've all been persecuted. They publish pamphlet after pamphlet, they issue book after book from little Nazi presses, they go on speaking tours across the nation to the same Ron Paul and Alex Jones fanclubs, there are thousands of websites that feature their theories. But the fact that they do not have Harvard history department chairmanships, op-ed columns in the Wall Street Journal or publishing deals with Random House is proof that The Conspiracy is keeping them down.

Any clowns still claiming on this thread that Mullins was some kind of poor misunderstood conservative should go to Google and search for a copy of his most successful book: "The Jewish War On The Western World."

Goodbye, Eustace Mullins. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

39 posted on 02/14/2010 5:36:52 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: searching123

You may want to read the above post in regards to Ron Paul.


40 posted on 02/14/2010 6:57:05 PM PST by Borges
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To: wideawake

I just read the Wiki entry on Julius Evola who I previously hadn’t heard of. Staggering. In regards to both Evola himself and the devoted Evola scholars who wrote it.


41 posted on 02/14/2010 7:04:08 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
Evola has a huge following among the subgenre of post-skinhead musicians known as "dark folk."

The most prominent of these acts is a group called Current 93.

It's interesting how many anti-Zionist musicians with indie rock respectability have ties to Current 93.

Muslimgauze, Stereolab and Coil are all revered musicians among leftists - and all have collaborated on Evolist musical projects with Current 93 and even with Death In June.

And I hadn't checked Evola on Wikipedia before - really an extensive entry!

Someone could write an interesting bestiary of this bizarre, interlocking set of subcultures.

42 posted on 02/14/2010 7:46:18 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It makes absolutely no sense to insist "Nazism was left wing" when it dovetails so nicely with right wing conspiracy theory.

If one takes the view that the authentic right-wing in the West is orthodox Christianity, then Nazism is decidedly left-wing.

Its insistence on the primacy of the secular state over the Church, its hyperdarwinist placement of supposed genetic purity over religious devotion as the mark of human worth, its materialist doctrine of history, its Marcionist stance toward Jews and Judaism - it's a twentieth century melange of ideas concocted in the nineteenth century by decidedly anticlerical thinkers.

The most successful advocate of Nazism in America besides Margaret Sanger (a left-wing icon) was William Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries.

Have you read that book? It's a fictional work about how the protagonist starts a "resistance movement" that ends with genocide of all non-Aryans in America. At the end of the book, with the enemies of the white race all eliminated, the new Aryan government puts all its loyal Aryan citizens to work on collective farms and enters them into breeding programs to produce even more superior specimens.

In China, they call that Maoism.

Actually, I'm surprised you've never noticed the direct link between the father of liberal higher criticism - Adolf von Harnack - and the Marcionism of the Reichskirche.

43 posted on 02/14/2010 8:06:51 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
I am aware of the secular origin of much anti-Semitic and racialist thought. I simply reject the JBS' concept of the political spectrum that runs from totalitarianism on one side to anarchism on the other. First, Left and Right each has a conglomeration of anarchists and totalitarians who get along with each other, but not with their fellows on the opposite side of the spectrum. Secondly, much right wing conspiracy theory dovetails with racialism and anti-Semitism. The Birch Society may scream all it wants that Nazism is on the Left, but if this is so, why do Nazis sell Birch Society books?

The true defining line between Left and Right is very hard to figure out, since many on both extremes sound very similar even as they hate each other. I have theorized in the past that the line is universalism vs. henotheism, or equality vs. hierarchy, or atomistic vs. "organic" collectivism, or horizontal vs. vertical collectivism. I've long since given up.

Please don't be offended by my position. I used to belong to the Birch Society, and I find much of their message to be hogwash.

44 posted on 02/14/2010 8:41:07 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Venatatta 'el-ha'aron 'et ha`edut 'asher 'etten 'eleykha.)
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To: wideawake
A friend of mine was assigned The Turner Diaries in a post graduate course English course. The Prof. probably took a perverse delight in outraging his students sensibilities but my friend sure was upset about having to buy a copy and give Pierce and/or his title holders royalties.
45 posted on 02/15/2010 6:27:07 AM PST by Borges
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To: wideawake

I’ve always thought that the Father of Higher Criticism was Spinoza.


46 posted on 02/15/2010 6:28:06 AM PST by Borges
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To: Borges
As far as The Turner Diaries were concerned, I was under the impression that Pierce's royalties were attached to a plaintiff who had successfully sued him in civil court, and that the plaintiff donated the royalties to some non-Nazi nonprofit.

The Spinoza issue is interesting: Hobbes took a stab at higher criticism in his Leviathan which was published in 1651 when Spinoza was 18.

I don't think Spinoza published anything on the topic until after he was expelled from the synagogue in 1656. But I have no idea when exactly his writings were composed, distinct from their publication.

47 posted on 02/15/2010 2:48:51 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I hold no brief for the JBS, ZC, trust me.

As for putative rightists selling books by National Socialists, I would say this: it was only after Hitler that racialism was expelled from the left, and racialism was only expelled from the left because the Nazis had tried to take down Stalin.

Before the end of the Soviet-Nazi alliance, socialists had no problem being openly racialist: Jack London, Margaret Sanger, etc. Even black socialists like Marcus Garvey and W.E.B. DuBois had their own views on proper "racial hygiene" - few people today realize exactly what Garvey meant by naming his organization the "United Negro Improvement Association."

My definition for the left and the right is simply this: materialism vs. trust in the Almighty.

48 posted on 02/15/2010 3:23:49 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
...down in Ge'-Benei-Hinnom.

Gehenna? That's pretty far down.

49 posted on 02/15/2010 4:04:43 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Perhaps the Birch Society should investigate its own charges against "international bankers" and "privately-owned banking monopolies" before calling anyone else a "collectivist." That sounds an awful lot like socialism to me!

And yet you say it makes no sense to label these theories as "left wing." To me it makes perfect sense to label socialist sounding theories as left wing.

50 posted on 02/15/2010 4:16:10 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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