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Petraeus says strike on Iran could spark nationalism
reutuers ^ | 2/2/10 | reuteur

Posted on 02/03/2010 7:37:12 PM PST by Flavius

A military strike on Iran could have the unintended consequence of stirring nationalist sentiment to the benefit of Tehran's hard-line government, U.S. General David Petraeus told Reuters.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airstrikes; iran; iraniannukes; petraeus; war
yes yes, but what does the coalition of sofas and microphones think

hot war, cold war , guess with 14 Trillion debt and counting, something has to give someplace

or i guess just partying is ok too


1 posted on 02/03/2010 7:37:18 PM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

I agree with that. The best thing we can do with Iran is to leave them alone. In a couple of years, they’ll be another Turkey.


2 posted on 02/03/2010 7:41:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: Flavius

Its only a matter of time before Iran launches a nuke at Tel Aviv.


3 posted on 02/03/2010 7:45:29 PM PST by valkyry1 (cant)
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To: valkyry1
Its only a matter of time before Iran launches a nuke at Tel Aviv.

Agreed. And shortly after that Iran stops being problem.

4 posted on 02/03/2010 7:50:05 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Flavius

I disagree with the general as long as the civilian casualties are minimal. And only military and governmental command and control targets are obliterated. Making sure to not only dispatch all combat aircrat ,but every helicopter that the IRGC can get up in the air, to make sure they can’t use their suppression forces for anything other than toasting marshmallows with.


5 posted on 02/03/2010 7:52:33 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: Flavius
I think that, by day, General Petraeus is a mild mannered US General in charge of central command but when the curtain of night falls he transforms himself into his secret alter-ego, Petraeus is none other than:

Captain Obvious

6 posted on 02/03/2010 7:54:03 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Flavius

As they say on Caprica; is Petraeus a frack’n imbecile. The first thing that would really happen in Iran is, an over-throw of O’imvecile’s cousins and Akmakinejad’s regime in Terhan.


7 posted on 02/03/2010 7:54:32 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Flavius

Also, our attacks on Germany during World War 2 only built up support for Hitler and the Nazis. What a mistake!


8 posted on 02/03/2010 7:55:06 PM PST by MarkAccord
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To: MinorityRepublican

Leave them alone, sounds like Europe in the 1930s attitude with Nazi Germany.
We know how that worked out.


9 posted on 02/03/2010 7:59:11 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

There are 70 million people in Iran. Do you think we could nuke them? The time to act against them was back in ‘03 but we went after Iraq instead.


10 posted on 02/03/2010 8:06:39 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Nukes arn’t the only option.
AS John Bolton has said, we should be doing covert
work with the students and others who have been in the streets.
To many who are fighting for some form of freedom are being hanged or tortured


11 posted on 02/03/2010 8:10:10 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: DGHoodini

You’re forgetting that in war, nothing goes accordingly to plan.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 8:10:17 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: SoCalPol

Then I support your plan. I don’t see the problem with that. Too bad that route is not a realistic option with the current adminstration.


13 posted on 02/03/2010 8:11:41 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: SoCalPol

Then I support your plan. I don’t see the problem with that. Too bad that route is not a realistic option with the current adminstration.


14 posted on 02/03/2010 8:12:56 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Hello friend. Some idiots think we can attack a nation of 70 million people and a standing army of 375.000 by killing their little children. We have a bunch of women and homosexuals to go fight the rage that follows because we are feminized and weak as cat fecal.We are so weak we can’t even point to Major Hassan as an islamic terrorist from the wahhabi mosque in Virginia. You hang tough.


15 posted on 02/03/2010 8:13:44 PM PST by ReyTurner
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To: MinorityRepublican

In my neighborhood here as a kid, I lived around large numbrs of people who were just a few years out of the Nazi concentration camps.

I saw Buchenwald in person where 56,000 Jews and others killed.

I spent time in East Germany in the early 1980s.
Oppressive dictators are not pleasant.


16 posted on 02/03/2010 8:17:02 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: valkyry1

You want to go fight Israel’s war? You want your kids to die there? Why don’t you visualize your little 18 year old daughter with a bullet in her brain and then write me back and tell me Israel would be worth it. What a joke.


17 posted on 02/03/2010 8:17:13 PM PST by ReyTurner
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not forgetting, just assessing.


18 posted on 02/03/2010 8:18:36 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why do you say we should have attacked Iran in 2003 ?


19 posted on 02/03/2010 8:19:50 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: DGHoodini
No, limited strikes there would be worse than no strikes at all.

If one is going to make war, then DO IT. No small-time, halfway stuff. That's worse than doing nothing.

Petraeus is correct. Nationalism would be stoked, even further, and more successfully than it is now in Iran.

20 posted on 02/03/2010 8:21:54 PM PST by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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To: MinorityRepublican

What do you think the effect wouuld be, if all the Iranian Radio/TV/ phone/satellite jamming stations were blown into pieces, but power plants and cell towers were left untouched?


21 posted on 02/03/2010 8:22:19 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Weapons of Mass Destruction.


22 posted on 02/03/2010 8:22:50 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: DGHoodini
I agree with you.

It is just as likely that the Iranian people will blame their gov’t for inciting the attack, & take that opportunity to depose Imanutjob & the mullahs. If Israel can kill some of the Iranian leadership & the Republican Guard, the Iranian people's job will be that much easier.

If Israel is gonna do it, & I believe they will (Obama wouldn't do it in a thousand years), they need to target the head of the beast to kill it for good.

23 posted on 02/03/2010 8:22:59 PM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: MarkAccord

Petraeus and the rest of the muzzie in chiefs sycophants are going to be mighty surprised when elements of the US Military decide to visit some hope and change on DC.


24 posted on 02/03/2010 8:23:06 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: ReyTurner
You want to go fight Israel’s war? You want your kids to die there? Why don’t you visualize your little 18 year old daughter with a bullet in her brain and then write me back and tell me Israel would be worth it. What a joke.

WTF are you talking about?

25 posted on 02/03/2010 8:23:29 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Looks like StormFront keyboard commandos


26 posted on 02/03/2010 8:25:40 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Flavius

( Petraeus says strike on Iran could spark nationalism ) .. translated : Our hands are tied by the rules of engagement and by the CIC, so we can’t do a thing about Iran sending a nuke towards Israel.


27 posted on 02/03/2010 8:28:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: ReyTurner

Good grief! What is wrong with you???

You sound like a deranged Paulbot.


28 posted on 02/03/2010 8:29:08 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

I don’t recall widespread discussion of that for years before 2003.


29 posted on 02/03/2010 8:29:32 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: ReyTurner
" You want to go fight Israel’s war? You want your kids to die there? Why don’t you visualize your little 18 year old daughter with a bullet in her brain and then write me back and tell me Israel would be worth it. What a joke. "

It was the JEWS who helped financed our war of Independence to help us gain our freedom from England, also, God said to Abraham " those who bless you, I will bless, those who curse you, I will curse and through you will all of the nations on earth be blessed "
30 posted on 02/03/2010 8:33:31 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: SoCalPol

AS John Bolton has said, we should be doing covert
work with the students and others who have been in the streets.

We should have been involved in that long ago. This is the biggest opportunity to help regime change from within since Solidarnosc in Poland. Now if GWB did indeed have such an operation - well John Bolton’s comment pretty much negates that, unless even Bolton was not privy to such an operation (or he’s not indicating such). Now we have a thug in chief doing no more than strong words and a wink.


31 posted on 02/03/2010 8:41:07 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

ReyTurner - wonder if his screename refers to Turner Diaries.
Anyhow IBTZ! (for Turner, not for Badass)


32 posted on 02/03/2010 8:44:06 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: Flavius

Hitting Iran will only prove or further prove to them why they should acquire nuclear weapons capability.


33 posted on 02/03/2010 8:46:27 PM PST by cranked
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To: Fred Hayek

This is why we need to get more Republicans in congress to push the agenda to win the war in the various theaters.
Push agendas, inform, The people who have a clue will be on board.


34 posted on 02/03/2010 8:48:23 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: BlueDragon

Who saifd anything about limited? I talking sinking every naval vessel, destroying every naval port and dock, taking out every military air base, shooting down every combat aircraft and IRGC helicopter, destroying every missle, rocket, and anti-aircraft platform that shows it’s radar, destroying every military base, taking out every IRGC and Basji barack in the country, every command and control asset that they activate...but leave all civilian targets such as gass lines, power plants cell towers alone. Give warning and then blow the crap out of the IRNA and IRIB...See how well they can keep the Iranian people under their boot *then*.


35 posted on 02/03/2010 8:52:04 PM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: Flavius

We don’t need to strike Iran.

What we need to do is let the growing faction of Iranians fed up with radicalized Islam ready to fight know that they have support.

Europe too needs to step up and get behind them as well.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-continued-failure-of-u-s-iran-policy/


36 posted on 02/03/2010 9:00:36 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Flavius

It’s a darn good thing for us, isn’t it, that our troops are led by Gen. Patraeus, rather than quaint old dinosaurs like Gen. Patton. What did he know about winning wars?

“We must be eager to kill, to inflict on the enemy —the hated enemy —wounds, death, and destruction. If we die killing, well and good, but if we fight hard enough, viciously enough, we will kill and live. Live to return home to our family and our girl as conquering heroes — men of Mars.”

— General George Patton


37 posted on 02/03/2010 9:01:40 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Actually, the right time to go after Iran would have been to support the Shah in 1978 against Khomeini.


38 posted on 02/03/2010 9:03:29 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: ReyTurner

Where’s you daughter tonight?


39 posted on 02/03/2010 9:08:33 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Flavius
There is a strong likelihood that the Islamic Republic itself will fall in 2010. That is what is now at stake. Not regime change—the switching of one office-holder for another within the same system—but total governmental change. John LeBoutillier

This is my hope and prayer. A new government in Iran this year.
40 posted on 02/03/2010 9:08:48 PM PST by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: ReyTurner

Lee Harvey, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. If the two of us together, forget it.


41 posted on 02/03/2010 9:42:18 PM PST by crusadersoldier
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To: Flavius

Petraeus is correct — increased Iranian nationalism is a reason not to attack Iran. Plus it will make a mess of our gains in Iraq. These are real, legitimate costs. Nothing in life is free— everything has pros and cons.

However, we cannot forget the reasons to attack Iran. They are led by suicidal religious nutcases who may use nukes once they get them, or hand them off to third parties like the Party of God (the Hezb’Allah) would definitely like to use them.

If we do attack Iran, we need to make sure we eradicate their capacity to develop nukes. That’s the main worry. If we’re just doing airstrikes, this will entail a lot of ugly but necessary follow through over the next decade.


42 posted on 02/03/2010 9:53:29 PM PST by JHBowden (Keep the Change!)
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To: ReyTurner
"You want to go fight Israel’s war? You want your kids to die there? Why don’t you visualize your little 18 year old daughter with a bullet in her brain and then write me back and tell me Israel would be worth it. What a joke."



GO HOME TROLL!!!!

43 posted on 02/04/2010 6:44:35 AM PST by blues_guitarist (ISLAM=DEATH!! . . . . . . black & humble . . .)
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To: DGHoodini

Petreaus was addressing what has been discussed as "limited" strikes. That is part of the wider conversation. You said;

Pure fantasy.
Without going in, on the ground, in a very big way, limited actions (such as you propose is limited!) are doomed to not only failure, but would make more trouble for us in the long run.

Which leads us to what the on-going stress really is.
Israel is facing a serious threat. We are facing an even more severe threat...in that the forces that wish to destroy the Jews, need to get us out of the way first...and these same forces would like nothing more than to punish the U.S., and would think it would be doing god himself a favor if they were to smuggle in multiple nukes and detonate them in the U.S.

ICBM's, and even shorter range missiles come with a return address. If "they" were to launch against Israel, whoever it was, they would face serious retaliation from the U.S., so "they" won't do that...they'll attempt to move against the U.S., first.

Limited strikes against Iranian assets will only guarantee the worst will come. It will galvanize them. Nationalist fervor, which the Iranian Mullahs have ALREADY successfully, firmly instilled in approx. 1/3 of the population, would broaden & deepen.

You could bet your sweet bippy on that. Don't bet mine.

If we're going to talk military "fantasy";
Give me fifty, full (old-style count) divisions, and the full commitment of Navy & Air Force, and I could beat them into submission. But it wouldn't be pretty...

44 posted on 02/04/2010 9:36:40 AM PST by BlueDragon (there is no such thing as a "true" compass, all are subject to both variation & deviation)
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