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Prius Adds to Toyota’s Woes as Stock Drops in Tokyo
WSJ ^ | Feb 3, 2010 | Micheline Maynard

Posted on 02/03/2010 7:57:51 PM PST by smokingfrog

The hybrid-electric Prius has long been Toyota’s “green car,” the symbol of the automaker’s engineering prowess and its big bet on the kind of car consumers will want to buy for decades to come.

But on Wednesday, the Prius was drawn into the mounting crisis for Toyota, as Japanese officials ordered the company to investigate problems with the brakes on the 2010 model. American safety officials also said they had received dozens of similar complaints.

The new questions surrounding the Prius raise doubts about a different problem in a model that was not part of the recent global recalls of more than nine million vehicles.

“Prius is the gold standard,” said Brian Johnson, the senior global auto industry analyst with Barclays Capital in Chicago.

“We know Toyota puts its best engineering and its best talent into that car,” added Mr. Johnson, a Prius owner whose wife and mother-in-law also drive Priuses. “This hits at its flagship.”

Adding to its woes, the transportation secretary, Ray LaHood, said Wednesday that owners of recalled Toyotas should stop driving their vehicles, though he quickly backtracked on the comments.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; prius; recall; toyota
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1 posted on 02/03/2010 7:57:52 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

Sounds like toyota is the number one make in the world now...dethroned GM I surmise. Why else would the media be attacking them like they are?


2 posted on 02/03/2010 8:04:28 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: smokingfrog

I am loving Toyota eating shit. Great for America. WE ARE WINNING OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!

Toyota has made it its mission to destroy the American auto industry and ignorant Americans have been more than complicit.

Buick (GENERAL MOTORS) has been #1 in long-term quality for 3 years & Toyota is #6, falling each year and will drop out of the top 10.

THE LIES FROM THE MEDIA ARE AMERICAN AUTOS ARE LOW QUALITY. LIES, LIES and more lies. It seems now the real lie has been Toyota is high quality. They make crap and more LOW quality reports are surfacing!!!!!!!


3 posted on 02/03/2010 8:05:01 PM PST by MaxCUA
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To: MaxCUA

Since the 50s the Japanese government has been subsidizing Toyota & the rest.

We allowed Toyota, Datsun (Nissan) Honda and the rest TO DUMP inferior & artificially cheap products in the US in an effort to prop up Japanese manufacturing. All this was done at the expense of GM, Ford, Jeep, Chrysler and AMC.

Today the Japanese Government still protects all Japanese Autos by keeping Japan off limits to foreign autos which have a very small share of the Jap market. Example, Ford is only allowed to own 33% of Mazda because they are protectionist.

BUYING JAPANESE = VOTING 4 OBAMA (sadly obama has cursed GM)


4 posted on 02/03/2010 8:06:04 PM PST by MaxCUA
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To: smokingfrog

The Gang Green eats their young. Get in front of a Pious and hit your brakes...then sue. I can see green in that.


5 posted on 02/03/2010 8:07:22 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: mamelukesabre

It is WORSE than that.

The goal here is to unionize all the foreign transplant factories (non union workers) with UAW goons. Toyo, Hon, BMW, Nis, Subaru, Porsche, Hyundai, etc etc.

The UAW killed GM and Chrysler and like a parasite - they are looking for a new host to suck the blood from.


6 posted on 02/03/2010 8:09:26 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: MaxCUA

My first wife and I drive a 1995 Buick Riviera that we bought new and we will probably replace it with a La Crosse this Summer and put the Riv up on blocks...


7 posted on 02/03/2010 8:11:07 PM PST by tubebender (Thanks to all the Patriots who support Free Republic financially...)
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To: MaxCUA

Wrong spin dude. The UAW killed GM and Chrysler. They are dead dead dead - it is over.

The UAW parasites are looking for a new host to suck on then kill. The non-union transplants in right to work states are their next target.


8 posted on 02/03/2010 8:11:33 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards Islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: MaxCUA

Toyota is in a cat fight with the US supplier of the allegedly faulty pedals. I think it’s very likely that Toyota has violated some part of the manufacturer’s specification in the way it uses the pedals.


9 posted on 02/03/2010 8:14:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: smokingfrog

Toyota makes a much more reliable and better handling car than almost anything that comes out of Detroit. And at this point, the percentage of the car that is made in the U.S. is just about level with Detroit. In fact, Toyota is more made in America than some GM cars.


10 posted on 02/03/2010 8:17:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Frantzie

Mmmm. Had’nt thought of that. You may have something there.


11 posted on 02/03/2010 8:19:56 PM PST by smokingfrog (You can't ignore your boss and expect to keep your job... www.filipthishouse2010.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

The time line is very suspiscious isnt it?

I would suppose since Ford is kicking Chevvy’s butt, next, Ford will have a recall.


12 posted on 02/03/2010 8:21:44 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Cicero
Toyota makes a much more reliable and better handling car than almost anything that comes out of Detroit.

Then go get yourself a Toyota. I'm sure that you will get a deal. Take it for a fast ride on a curvy mountain road!

That is if you think they are more reliable than let's say a Buick.

13 posted on 02/03/2010 8:23:26 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: Venturer

Ford has already stopped production on one model because it uses the same input device as the Toy...


14 posted on 02/03/2010 8:27:02 PM PST by tubebender (Thanks to all the Patriots who support Free Republic financially...)
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To: grand wazoo

Even my 85 year-old grandparents wouldn’t be caught driving a Buick. There’s something to be said about a car that still looks and drives like it did in the 50’s.


15 posted on 02/03/2010 8:27:45 PM PST by Skenderbej (No muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: smokingfrog

I think Barry and his boys have drawn an Alinsky style bullseye on Toyota. Dollars to donuts that Ford is next. Barry and his commie piggies don’t appreciate it when you tell them to go take a hike.


16 posted on 02/03/2010 8:28:24 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If the CIA and NASA are going to "monitor climate change", why the hell do we need the EPA?)
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To: grand wazoo

Right now I drive a Subaru outback because we live off of a dirt road in Vermont and need the four-wheel drive.

But I drove a Toyota Camry hatchback for years. It handled well, and needed few repairs.

Most Buicks are overweight and have soft springs, so they sway a lot and don’t corner well.

No, I don’t race cars now, but I did for a few years when I was younger.


17 posted on 02/03/2010 8:31:36 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MaxCUA

Hell will freeze over before I buy a car from Obama Motors.

I’d pay more to get less from Toyota or Honda if need be - but I have a lot more confidence in the quality of a Toyota than a GM...I’ve owned both!


18 posted on 02/03/2010 8:35:36 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It will be interesting to see what becomes of the Prius brake problem. Owning the 2006 Prius, I can honestly say that it is the most trouble free Toyota we’ve owned over the last 26 years. The 2005 Sienna is a very close second. My glowing praise is not nearly the intensity of the anti-Toyota crowd though. It’s hard to see how a vehicle (reliable as these have been), could bring out the level of Toyota hatred I’m seeing in this thread. C’mon guys, it’s just a car (though I can see that it represents a great deal more than that to some of you). Fair enough, as in women, so it is in cars. There’s no accounting for taste.

Re. the Toyota braking system, the regenerative braking system that this vehicle uses is far more complex than that of a normal vehicle. But normal vehicles don’t approach 50 mpg either. It is rather like the fly-by-wire system on the A-320. Pressing the brake pedal does not give you conventional braking as it’s not really using the brake pads for most of the deceleration by my reckoning. For the mechanically minded, it is an interesting study in complexity. For others....well, perhaps that research is best left undone. Suffice to say that the brake system is “sophisticated”, so there’s more potential for problems. It may lend itself to a software fix (if it comes to that) vs. the hardware replacement necessary in the accelerator pedal.

As long as the vehicle is reliable, stays at or around 50 mpg, and doesn’t kill me I’m happy with it. I’m not optimistic enough to buy any vehicle without the extra airbag package though. Winter lasts six months up here, and most folks don’t (or can’t)stop at stop signs in this neck of the woods. Side impacts are killers in any vehicle.


19 posted on 02/03/2010 8:38:09 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: Frantzie

“Wrong spin dude. The UAW killed GM and Chrysler.”

Well, maybe, but they couldn’t have gotten the deed done without a ‘light skinned African American who only uses a Negro dialect when it suits him’ commie making a gaping hole thru the line for them and presenting them with a fait accompli.


20 posted on 02/03/2010 8:39:56 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Media? It is the Obama Administration that is attacking Toyota.
In the article it says “American safety officials say there are dozens of complaints”. Dozens will bring on this kind of chatter? I think not.


21 posted on 02/03/2010 8:41:37 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for FReeper Jeff Head)
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To: Mr Rogers; MaxCUA

I’m on the Honda/Acura/Toyota/Lexus bandwagon too. Those brands have built up a lot of good will in my family, whereas GM and Ford shattered trust very quickly.

My parents had a Ford minivan, which was terrible and only lasted about a year with our family. They traded to a Chevy Suburban, which had an electrical fire at 70,000 miles while on a family vacation. That immediately allowed Ford a 2nd chance with a new Expediton. That lasted about 2 years, when GM was given a second chance with a new Tahoe. 38,000 miles later that POS was gone and my parents, me, and my 3 siblings have bought nothing both the mentioned Japanese brands for the last 10 years. Third chances are for dummies.

We’re all really happy, and wealthier for buying cars that don’t need anything but oil changes, tires, and gasoline.


22 posted on 02/03/2010 8:46:23 PM PST by Skenderbej (No muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: Skenderbej

My mom has a Buick - a nice one. What a hunk of crap though.


23 posted on 02/03/2010 8:49:24 PM PST by RedhairRedhair (I STILL love my (scab made) Toyota)
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To: smokingfrog

I thought the main problem with the Prius is that its nose sticks up in the air whenever it gets behind a vehicle that gets less then 20 mpg. Just like its owner.


24 posted on 02/03/2010 8:50:26 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Habibi

I haven’t had a problem with my 08 Camry Hybrid (which isn’t on the recall list) that is made in Kentucky. I get over 40 mpg on the highway.

This is all about the UAW.

BTW, If my next car isn’t another Toyota, it will be a Ford.


25 posted on 02/03/2010 8:50:51 PM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: Skenderbej

Tired of your phony anti-american anecdotes!

I’ve tried to use Jap junk trucks in business, and they last about 1/3 as long as Ford Rangers. The farthest any jap truck went was 80,000 before major repairs were required, while the Rangers have all been still going at over 300,000 when we got tired of looking at them.

You just can’t run Jap rigs off the pavement; they aren’t engineered for the drive train stress. Broken axles, snapped U-joints, crushed drive pinion bearings, and exhaust systems that get ripped off by brush.


26 posted on 02/03/2010 8:54:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: MaxCUA
THE LIES FROM THE MEDIA ARE AMERICAN AUTOS ARE LOW QUALITY. LIES, LIES and more lies.

If the media were talking about my 2001 Dodge Ram, then they weren't lying at all. Biggest piece of junk I've ever owned, except for the engine. Of course, Cummins made the engine, not Chrysler.

27 posted on 02/03/2010 8:55:53 PM PST by Texas Mulerider (Rap music: hieroglyphics with a beat.)
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To: Skenderbej

“My parents had a Ford minivan,..........”

Yes, my mother and father in law were in the “Buy American!” crowd for the 25 years I’ve known them (until very recently when they bought a Toyota). Truth be told they were actually in the “Don’t Buy Japanese!!!” crowd as they were perfectly happy to purchase hideously expensive agricultural implements that were all foreign (but not Japanese) made. When I pointed this discrepancy out they were mightily PO’d at me, but their displeasure did not extend to forbidding their daughter from sharing the bed with me. There are some here that would. ;-)


28 posted on 02/03/2010 8:58:56 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: smokingfrog
Many of the complaints are from drivers who say their vehicles surged forward or temporarily lost braking after driving over a pothole or another uneven surface. Many say it is a recurring problem.

More detals here and the discussion.

This issue does exist, but I always thought it to be related to the ABS. This problem is very minor in Gen. 2 (2004-2009) though I don't know if it is worse in Gen. 3 (2010).

29 posted on 02/03/2010 9:01:34 PM PST by Greysard
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To: MaxCUA
Dump? As in build $billions in factories right here in the US, employing thousands of Americans to build those vehicles? If that is dumping, then we need more of it. And don't pontificate about "at the expense of GM, Ford, Jeep, Chrysler and AMC. The Japanese makes got their reputation not by importing junk or inferior products. They imported what consumers wanted. Honda and Toyota set the standard for auto quality that the US makers have still not quite caught up with - though the US manufacturing has hurt the quality control pretty hard of late (particularly Toyota). Funny that the Lexus moniker - essentially built with the same engineering and platform as some of the Toyota models recalled - don't seem to have the same issue. But then again, the Lexus-branded vehicles are still manufactured in Japan. And maybe we need some protectionism... Chrysler was majority-owned by a German company (Daimler-Benz), then was sold back to mostly US interests - then bailed out by Obama - then sold to the French... wonderful. GM is still essentially owned (for practical purposes) by the Federal Government. And if I owned a company and could prevent a competitor with an inferior product buy out a controlling interest in my company - I would. That being said - Mazda's quality has been a bit hit-or-miss over the last 15 years or so. Even when Honda and Toyota prices inched higher than similar US makes (and prior to the vast majority of "Jap" makes being made HERE, Americans still paid top dollar for them. Back then - you just didn't hear "rebates" and "incentives" or "0% interest" deals like the US makes have used for a long time.

Even now - when I was truck shopping (back in the Fall), I shopped Ford first (didn't take fed cash). They didn't want to make the deal we were willing to make (and I fully knew the dealer's cost and was offering a very reasonable profit margin). I looked at the Toyota Tundra - though they had some incentives, they just didn't make it to where I was willing to pay. Finally bought a Nissan Titan and so far, love it. No way was I going to buy a Chevrobama or GMC Fedmobile. And the Dodge that I drooled over - again - the price just didn't match what I was willing to turn loose of. Your post reminds me of what my step-father pontificates over (he grew up in Detroit and is a brainwashed union supporter). I take no thrill in seeing Toyota's problems - because that means owners have problems - a problem that could risk MY life if that opposing driver has his gas pedal stick and can't stop at the light/stop sign. I will admit to secretly thinking the Prius issue is funny... or what I call the Toyota Pretentious...

30 posted on 02/03/2010 9:01:54 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Habibi
" But normal vehicles don’t approach 50 mpg either"

Utter BS!

Volkswagen diesel pickups get 60-65 MPG, Jeep diesel gets 45-60 MPG, and in safe, reliable vehicles with braking systems that can't fail.

31 posted on 02/03/2010 9:02:34 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Habibi
Owning the 2006 Prius, I can honestly say that it is the most trouble free Toyota we’ve owned over the last 26 years.

Hi Gerald! What happened to your show?


32 posted on 02/03/2010 9:03:01 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: editor-surveyor

“Utter BS!

Volkswagen diesel pickups get 60-65 MPG, Jeep diesel gets 45-60 MPG, and in safe, reliable vehicles with braking systems that can’t fail.”

No, it is just plain truth. The vehicles you mention are no more “normal” than is the Prius. They all cluster on the right side of the mileage bell curve, though the Prius, judged by the number sold, is the most normal of those mentioned. I stand by my statement.

As to braking systems that “can’t fail”. Well, perhaps I’m more of a cynic, but I’ve never discovered a braking system that fits into that category. That’s just the way I think though.


33 posted on 02/03/2010 9:13:06 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: Skenderbej
While I am pretty down on GM in general - there are a couple of GM vehicles that I think are very attractive - this being one of them:

Though it does have some suspicious resemblance to the new Ford Taurus/Lincoln MKS...

34 posted on 02/03/2010 9:15:11 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman
Buying a Japanese truck over a Ford F-150 is an absolute waste of money. Though I'm sure the ladies down at the church social will love it!

Turning the purchase of a vehicle into a political decision is stupidity.

35 posted on 02/03/2010 9:15:18 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: grand wazoo
“Hi Gerald! What happened to your show?”

Yeah, I get that from folks occasionally. It results in a good deal of cognitive dissonance when I wheel up to a speaking engagement in the Prius and drop a “right of Genghis Khan screed”. Drives ‘em nuts. You'd be surprised how many of them stop me afterwards and ask me if all of the good things they hear about that car are true. “Yeah, it's all true”. The ones that are really emotionally tied to their domestic vehicle just get glum after asking a few questions. I tell ‘em to rise above it, but most can't. Sad really. But, they all make it out of the parking lot with what they're driving so I figure no one really is worse off.

Nice graphic though. Can I use it? And who's Gerald?

36 posted on 02/03/2010 9:28:35 PM PST by Habibi ("It is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - William of Occam)
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To: smokingfrog

One surprise in the Prius is the cost of there high intensity headlights. A pair of them cost $300.00 plus installation. If the HID controller goes out another $250 plus labor.


37 posted on 02/03/2010 9:31:58 PM PST by RDasher ("El Nino is climate, La Nina is weather")
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To: grand wazoo

I gave Ford an honest opportunity. I had never been a Ford fan growing up (with vivid memories of my Dad’s major mechanical issues with his early 80’s F100, and my wife and my issues with a late 90’s Mercury Mistake...errr.. Mystique. But I recently owned a used Ford Expedition that had a bunch of miles and was former border patrol... so had been very much USED. Still - other than some very much common issues with all 4X4 vehicles - was a VERY reliable ride and I actually liked it. So figured I would give Ford a try.

Well...Two companies own all of the Ford dealerships anywhere around here - and they kind of don’t try to compete too much with each other. They didn’t want to deal or I would be driving that F150 I had picked out today.

But politics having nothing to do with buying a vehicle? Why not? Some posters on this thread say buying Japanese is supporting Obama (which is pretty absurd)... you blasting them, or just busting my chops for choosing the Titan with more horsepower, better price, more conveniences, and a more comfortable ride over the overpriced Ford?

When the real Chinese vehicles cross the big pond - you gonna seriously consider buying? After all - even though made by Chi-coms, politics shouldn’t play in...


38 posted on 02/03/2010 9:38:30 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: grand wazoo

I gave Ford an honest opportunity. I had never been a Ford fan growing up (with vivid memories of my Dad’s major mechanical issues with his early 80’s F100, and my wife and my issues with a late 90’s Mercury Mistake...errr.. Mystique. But I recently owned a used Ford Expedition that had a bunch of miles and was former border patrol... so had been very much USED. Still - other than some very much common issues with all 4X4 vehicles - was a VERY reliable ride and I actually liked it. So figured I would give Ford a try.

Well...Two copanies own all of the Ford dealerships anywhere around here - and they kind of don’t try to compete too much with each other. They didn’t want to deal or I would be driving that F150 I had picked out today.

But politics having nothing to do with buying a vehicle? Why not? Some posters on this thread say buying Japanese is supporting Obama (which is pretty absurd)... you blasting them, or just busting my chops for choosing the Titan with more horsepower, better price, more conveniences, and a more comfortable ride over the overpriced Ford?

When the real Chinese vehicles cross the big pond - you gonna seriously consider buying? After all - even though made by Chi-coms, politics shouldn’t play in...


39 posted on 02/03/2010 9:38:31 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: editor-surveyor

LOL! Angry aren’t we? My anecdotes aren’t phony. They are real life experience, and that’s okay if you disagree. That doesn’t change the fact that the GM and Ford vehicle we had were terrible, and as such, induced no customer loyalty in our family.

Honestly, to me, it just seems like your type of angry denial about the popularity and reliability of the Japanese brands is the same attitude that drove GM into the gutter. You can keep telling people that your stuff is the best, but ultimately the market decides. GM failed because of inferior product offerings over a couple of decades. Thankfully Ford seems to be on the right track now.


40 posted on 02/03/2010 10:09:32 PM PST by Skenderbej (No muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: TheBattman

GM has produced some desirable cars interspersed with mostly inferior products. I have to admit, I drool over these recent offerings,

Corvette ZR1-really amazing performance, still lackluster interior

Cadillac CTS-V-Can’t find a bad thing about this one!

And unfortunately, the one I could afford, they’re not going to make anymore...

The Pontiac G8 GT.


41 posted on 02/03/2010 10:12:31 PM PST by Skenderbej (No muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Ford F-150 is the biggest selling vehicle in American history ...For good reason.


42 posted on 02/03/2010 10:29:08 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Cicero
Toyota makes a much more reliable and better handling car than almost anything that comes out of Detroit.

A friend of mine recently bought a 2010 Corolla. He isn't happy with the way it handles on the interstate with windy conditions. He had traded in a another Toyota model for the Corolla. If you visit some car review websites, there are some negative comments about Corolla handling.

43 posted on 02/04/2010 3:58:34 AM PST by EVO X
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To: smokingfrog

The lefties/greenies have to be going goofy over this one!!


44 posted on 02/04/2010 4:49:46 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: smokingfrog

Seems like a good time to consider buying Toyota stock. They always done well, and they will get through this. I wont buy their vehicles, but I will buy their stock.


45 posted on 02/04/2010 5:59:39 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Skenderbej
Hard to believe those vehicles you mentioned (and the first picture I posted) came from the same company that brought us:

The Pontiac Aztec, to me, was proof positive of the absolute lack of any connection to reality or consumers. And to boot - they were junk. As if making one of the 10 ugliest cars ever produced in the US, they had to make a real lemon... Any company that would even try to foist that beast on consumers deserves to die.

46 posted on 02/04/2010 7:04:32 AM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman

Was that the Malibu in the picture? I have looked at those and they have improved so much over the last rendition. If GM would make a stylish car based on the G8 GT, I would seriously consider buying it. I guess I’m infatuated with that rear-drive V8 sedan for around 30k.

I knew someone who owned an Aztek. Every time I saw it, I wondered, “What the h*** were you thinking?”


47 posted on 02/04/2010 9:24:37 AM PST by Skenderbej (No muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: Skenderbej

Yes, you are angry, and antiamerican too!

So your family is disloyal, BFD.

Ford has been “on the right track” longer than you’ve been alive. That is why they’ve been the world’s supplier of trucks for three decades running.


48 posted on 02/04/2010 9:48:13 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: TheBattman

The (fortunately discontinued) Aztec was nothing but a Toyota with the Pontiac name affixed.


49 posted on 02/04/2010 9:50:57 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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To: Cicero

Buick (made by General Motors) has been #1 in long-term quality. The Ford F-150 was also the single best auto in quality.

100% of US autos are above industry average in quality. Neither Japan nor Germany can make that claim. ONLY THE US.

The media that hates America has convinced Americans US auto are low-quality. IT IS BULLSHIT. Their anti-American lies has not been selective to politics

Buick: NUMBER 1 (for 3 years long before obama fucked with GM)

Toyota: NUMBER 6 and has been dropping long before obama)

Your siding with Japan over America?????


50 posted on 02/04/2010 9:52:11 AM PST by MaxCUA
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