Skip to comments.Texas has a true Conservative Candidate for Governor in Debra Medina
Posted on 02/03/2010 10:30:31 PM PST by no dems
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Some people never learn. Medina would be about as bad as Obama.
I just posted this link on another thread but it seems this thread is badly in need of some information on Medina’s plans to replace property tax and assure no gun registration comes to Texas.
I found this video of Debra Medina, challenger for Governor in the upcoming primary, in which she is very forthcoming with her plans and ideas to go another direction.
This is part 4, http://www.youtube.com/watchv=nRq1Wz87MFg&feature=related
and the next one, part 5 is even better as she explains with clarity and detail how eliminating property tax will explode the Texas economy. Part 3 is the beginning of her speaking to a group in East Texas and in it she explains how and why she decided to run for Gov in 2008 before the Tea Party, etc. movements.
Enjoy and please pass along to others seeking information.
I was there, so were several thousand other Texas Republican delegates (the same people she will need their votes, $$s and volunteer effort to get elected.) You can drink the Libertarian cool-aid all day long, but it won’t change the fact that Medina has no chance.
Thanks for the info
I wouldn't go that far. Medina might be naive, but I think she is sincere in wanting to follow the Constitution. That alone makes her infinitely better than Zero.
Thanks for the ping!
What was her position on e-verify AND 287-g?????
What choice do we have?
Who is going to think more about Latino families? Rick Perry, Kay Bailey Hutchison or me, who has a Latino family? (Medinas cultural heritage is German and Bohemian.)
She told a colleague last month in an e-mail. Being married, however, to someone with a Mexican American heritage, I certainly embrace the culture. But before she explained that, she told my colleage, who had asked her whether she considers herself Latina: Id not consider myself anything other than a wife and mother, a nurse and a patriot. I believe we too often get into race when its immaterial.
No, Thanks, Mrs Medina.
She is also running Spanish ads. Hello Mrs.Medina! If they cannot speak English then they have no business voting IMO. When they learn English then let them vote. Assimilate. Learn English. Appreciate all America gives you.
So Im sure she is blowing a lot of hot air just like Obama did just to get elected. Running those ads and saying what she has, tells me the border issue is just a try to get votes for herself.
No, thanks, Ill stick with ol RINO Perry. Texas has remained in better shape than almost any if not all of the states in the union under Perry's watch. As someone said, 'he's the devil we know'.
The motly crew running for governor is laughable; a MUSLIM, a trecherous RINO woman* (Hutchison) and a woman with questionable loyalties
*Feds Have Built Only 32 Miles of 700 Mile Double-Border Fence Originally Mandated by Congress One reason DHS has been able to do this is an amendment that Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R.-Texas) slipped into an omnibus appropriations bill that Congress passed on December 18, 2007. Hutchisons amendment put a loophole in the fence law that allowed the secretary of Homeland Security not to build the fence Congress had mandated the year before.
Is she going to cry when you she loses, just like she did on stage at the RPT State Convention when she was booed as her Paulbot floor motions were voted down soundly by the delegates on the floor?
I very much enjoy your contributions to FR; however, over and over again you use personal insults instead of reasoning when discussing the effect of the Ron Paul revolution on the Republican party. I think you are very wrong, and despite the 15 percent of RPs views that I completely disagree with, I think the other 85 percent of his platform is necessary for our country to survive.
As Ronnie put it in 1975: Id like to see the Libertarian PartyI dont say they should quit being a partyId like to see them, Id like to see the conservatives, Id like to see some of these other parties maybe come to this remnant of the Republican Party which is basically conservative in its thinking and, I think, akin to the philosophy Im talkingId like to see them all come in (and this would include a large segment of the Democratic Party in this country, that certainly proved in 1972 that they do not follow the leadership of the Democratic Party any longer) and be able to say to them, OK were not saying to you give up what youre doing, but, cant we find a common meeting ground in order at least to defeat first of all those who are doing what theyre doing to us (and this present Congress is an example)?
In addition, I rather enjoyed Medina at the state convention, and I also enjoyed the enthusiasm and the yearning for liberty of the younger Ron Paul supporters. It certainly added excitement to the event, and I find them much more palatable the power-brokering Republican Pharisee-like establishment with their lips firmly planted on Tina Benkisers derriere.
Gov. Perry and Sen. Hutchinson are no prizes agreed
but Medina is not ready for prime time - maybe, maybe not. I think she’s worth a shot. At least she speaks of liberty, freedom, the Constitution, the vision of our founding fathers, individual control over our schooling, health care, business decisions, contracts, security, and so on.
Again, Ronnie in 1975: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberalsif we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.
The only way she can accomplish anything is by working with the legislature, and we don’t even know WHO that will be until November. If the Democrats managed to get a majority in the House, there will be a new Speaker, and he will could be a liberal. As to the radical notion of doing away with the property tax, well, I do feel that I am paying rent to the government to live in my own house. Are there enough people who feel the same way? I doubt it.
Her position? I don’t know what 287-g is...a proposition?
On “e-verify” I heard her say in the second debate that she did not think that was the best way to curb illegal immigration and not fair to small businesses. Don’t recall details but leaned instead to employees requiring Texas driver license or other verifiable ID and called on law enforcement to act on those who provide false ID as well as those who attempt to use it. Please don’t quote me on this and I would suggest you visit her site for more clarity.
I hope you wouldn’t make a decison on your vote based on this one issue of disagreement, but at least hear her out. She is very adament about doing everything we can to close borders to illegals and to drugs.
Have you been to South Texas lately? Hispanics hold almost entirely all elected office and own majoritiy of businesses in every town south of Victoria. Too late to close the gate now. The immigrants didn’t just assimilate, they took over! and the sooner our candidates realize that the more we can get representatives in who will lead for Texans, not the federal government.
I appreciate the many hard working, America loving hispanics and the contributions they are making. It is the illegal border crashers who come over to take advantage of government hand-outs that are the problem.
Yes, we need to do what we can for the poor and opressed Mexican people whose government is on the wrong track. That must come from our free-will humanity and not from government mandates.
Our government in TEXAS has the obligation to close our borders...to illegals and to drugs. Medina is ready to do just that. With her bold approach and fearless attitude, I think she will rally the legislature.
If you think the Democrats will be leading in the elections you must have been out of the country all winter. It’s obvious voters are bent on replacing all politicians now in office wherever there are viable alternatives.I hope you join the movement now spreading across the nation.
sheila jackson lee in houston needs to go ...
Eliminate property taxes don’t make sense?
I am helping her put large signs around TX hope she wins. I have told most property owners I know about her doing away with property tax. Every one of them is for her so far. We know the people who don’t own property will be glad to see the tax put on sales tax so they help pay for their kids education. We know they don’t feel right with us paying way, they want to help pay for their kids.
Thank You for pointing out whats really going on in Texas
IMO, Texas is headed down the same path that Ca has chosen
In case anyone has not noticed Ca is not a pretty picture
If you want to follow the path of Ca elect Hair Gel or ms. hyphenated
At least you have a chance to elect Medina
It’s your choice what path you want to follow
Ca has a choice between Ebay MegTard , Poizner or Moonbeam Brown.... whoopppiiiiieeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Think about it before you vote
She can say anything. If she doesn’t have solid support from conservatives in the state Congress it doesn’t matter. I don’t know of any elected officials who are publicly endorsing her. Are there any?
The most important reason to vote for Debra is that she is the only candidate who understands the reality that the federal government will never - and can never given its very nature - be reformed from the inside out to once again live within the limited confines assigned to it in the US Constitution.
Debra understand that the only path to ultimately bring down the progressive socialist state that has been unconstitutionally created over the last 110 years is for the states to eventually say enough and refuse to comply with unconstitutional federal mandates via nullification and interposition.
In ten years of governing I have not seen one example of Governor Perry “getting this,” or being willing to use the sovereign powers of the state of Texas to resist the federal government in the name of life, liberty, or property.
Every once in a while he talks a good game, throws out the phrase “secession,” or refuses to accept a small portion of the annual federal bribes... but he is still operating under the impression that somehow we can still use the federal government (either via the Courts, the Congress, or the Whitehouse) to resist the federal government’s unconstitutional mandates.
Is this what she is espousing in her Spanish language radio ads?
I’m voting for Debra Medina and have alerted family and friend email list to the same. My Medina yard sign is now up. Bumper sticker to follow.
No, those are meant more as a public service message about
the proper nursing of folks mauled by the dread Chupacabra.
Unless my Spanish fails me. It might have been about fence jumping.
The phrases are really quite similar.
I went to lunch where she spoke and she sounded like the usual Libertarian cross-dressing as a Republican. She's a Libertarian. I don't trust Libertarians. Libertarians are one step up from Anarchists.
... and I’ve heard and watched Governor Perry for a decade and he’s nothing but a wish-washy RINO who has no intention and has never had any intention of beginning the long overdue process of dismantling the socialist welfare state at the state level. Nor, as evidenced by the actions of his many years in office, does he have any intention of taking on the unconstitutional federal mandates emanating from Washington DC.
AT THE VERY BEST what you will get from another four years from Perry is someone who will maintain the untenable status quo. Sure, he’ll stop the Democrats from pushing whatever their agenda of the moment is, but when we have a Republican governor and a Republican legislature we should be doing much more than just “perrying” whatever stupid ideas the Democrats are supporting at the time. Perry isn’t a conservative... he’s a big-government moderate and in Texas the chief enabler of the status quo.
In fact, that’s what a vote for Perry really is... a vote to maintain the status quo and all the big-government freedom-sucking, prosperity-sucking socialism and progressivism that we’ve had shoved down our throats from Washington DC and Austin for the last 100 years.
A vote for Debra Medina, on the other hand, is a vote for liberty, for capitalism, and more importantly, a vote to begin the long overdue process of restoring our surrendered freedoms.
A vote for Debra Medina is a vote to begin the long overdue process of restoring to Texas and ultimately to the United States of America the kind of limited, conservative government envisioned by the founding fathers and mandated by the US Constitution.
Think about apartments and home rentals being lowered after owners no longer owe property tax. Think about Texans having all that extra money to spend or invest? Even if the sales tax goes up to the maximum estimate of 15%, food and utilities and probably other items will be exempt so even the poorest get a fair shake and like you say, share in paying for their children’s education.
Spreading the burden across all consumers is the most sensible way finance the state’s needs and I like to think Texas will pioneer this and show the way for others to follow.
Thank you for helping spread the word for Medina. I have tried in vain to post some articles. Would you have the time to post them for me if I send you the URL? Here is one I found tonight about the property tax study that Medina has relied on.
I want my Governor to be clever and smart enough to know how to get the job done for Texans. To ignore the Hispanic voting block would be naive at least and purely stupid at the most.
I certainly don’t have a problem with her Spanish speaking ads. I wonder if Perry and Hutchinson are running any. Have you checked that out?
I also believe that Texas can lead the way in showing other states how to get out of debt and how to nullify federal government programs and mandates.
It looks like Medina is going to force a runoff if she doesn't win the primary outright. In any case, her campaign has a good chance of becoming nationalized even though it's only for the governorship. I think the issues of border control, property ownership and state sovereignty will capture the attention of America.
Rather they/you tend to “drink the Libertarian kool-aid” and insult/attack anyone that disagrees with them. I try to avoid overt insults or Polemic arguments, and try stick to what I know to be true, but “if the shoe fits ...” ;)
I have a problem with her pandering to people who only speak a foreign language and then saying that she is going to be tough on the border. No politician is going to stop the flow of illegal alien criminal scum flowing into America but to suck up to them is wrong.
I have a REAL problem with her support of Sotomayor as she sure as hell is not conservative and certainly is a relatively unintelligent racist nominated for ONE reason.
I lost all respect for Colin Powell when he supported Obama for one reason only and this is no different.
It is clear that Paulbots can ignore anything to support a libertarian even the well being of their State or Country.
Close to what was said about the Kenyan Klown.
2} She is a leader
The same was said about the Kenyan Klown.
3) She is not a loose cannon
The same was said about the Kenyan Klown.
4) She works well with others
The same was said about the Kenyan Klown.
We already have a no experience, know nothing, hopey changy President why would we use the same mold to elect our Governor?
“I have a REAL problem with her support of Sotomayor”
What you said is not true.
Medina agreed with the vote against Sotomayor; then she pointed out that the Democrats (specifically, George Lopez) were able to characterize a vote against Sotomayer as being racist because of a lack of Republican outreach among Hispanics. (I disagree with her as to a lack of outreach to Hispanics.)
So now that your outrage is actually due to your misunderstanding, are you willing to have a genuine discussion about the Gov candidates?
Pretty arrogant attitude there stat-boy. Medina chastised Hutchinson about not supporting Sotomayor.
As to a genuine discussion, we can have one after the libertarianbots pull off their blinders and put down their pom-poms and address ALL the issues being brought up not just a few with memorized talking points something you are very guilty of btw.
“but they are truly not up to the task of garnering enough votes to win elections”
Very valid concern.
“Rather they/you tend to drink the Libertarian kool-aid and insult/attack anyone that disagrees with them. I try to avoid overt insults or Polemic arguments, and try stick to what I know to be true, but if the shoe fits ... ;)”
I see this happening on both sides of the Republican Party. I honestly try to keep an even keel here at FR, at Party meetings, at conventions, etc. Fair debate is permissible on any point, as far as I am concerned. I do get a little upset at left wing globalists. I also wish the Repub establishment had taken more of a fatherly approach to the (much younger) recent Paulbots. [Great, now you got me saying it.] For example, I have entered my 40s, and in my experience at least 80 percent of those younger than I who showed up at Repub party meetings over the past 2 years has been a Ron Paul supporter. The newly revived Young Republican group (I am too old to be a young republican) is, based on my interaction with the members, almost entirely Ron Paul supporters.
Seriously, I do not have a problem working with someone who I consider mostly conservative. [I consider myself 100 percent conservative, of course! ;evangelical Christian, homeschool, teach the kids to shoot at 4-H, etc.] I have been involved with various Republican groups since the 1980s (since I became an adult), and I know how things work. We debate during the primary, and after that is over, we work for victory in November.
Part of me misses being a Texas Republican during the 1980s. We were more of a tight group back then. Nothing like wearing a Vote Democrat, its easier than getting a job t-shirt around during college.
Finally, if my responses or debates with you, anymouse, or others here at FP are viewed as an insult, please accept my sincere apology because that is not my intent.
“Pretty arrogant attitude there stat-boy.”
Shoot. Sorry. I have a biting, somewhat sarcastic, and at times silly style of humor, which often does not translate well via written word because the tone of my speech is missing. Not my intent, seriously. I remember your name well enough to know you have a thick skin. In person, I make fun of myself at least as much as I do the world around me.
“Medina chastised Hutchinson about not supporting Sotomayor.”
Again, not true. The original source for that misunderstanding is the following piece my Medina:
No problem. It is easy to sink into heated “debates” online, as most times you never meet the people that you are arguing with and really only have what they have been able to articulate in a few brief sentences or paragraphs written in haste to judge their position on. It takes purposeful restraint and self-discipline to avoid falling into that mode. It happens.
Regarding how the RPT handled the Ron Paul supporters at the convention, it was the RP folks who did the sneak attack on the county SD caucuses attempting to eventually disrupt the state convention(s). The RPT probably did over-react, coming down hard on them, but given they only had spotty info. on what was coming and the RP had filed the legal claim at the 11th hour, they really had no choice but to assume the worst and fight back hard.
The U.S. kind of did that in response to the 9/11/01 attack too. Another issue that some RP people disagree with us on. But when you pull the tiger’s tail, you better expect to get his teeth.
All that aside, I think Medina is adding a positive element to the gov. race by bringing up valid Constitutional issues. Just wish Perry and Hutchinson would follow suit and not embarrass themselves by going down in the mud with each other. They are writing Bill White’s campaign ads against the GOP nominee for him.
Bill White is an extremely smart, polished, slick, former top in the US Susman attorney, top of whatever school he ever went to, articulate, successful as a plaintiffs attorney and as a cut-throat business leader, very wealthy, weasel of a politician. He is going to crush Perry in the debates with his slick talk, and his campaign will be near perfect. We have not run up against a Democrat like him in Texas for a long time (probably since Bentsen). I hope that the Party is not taking the race for granted, I am not, and we are going to have to fight for every vote in order to win.
When I want the truth about Obama I check his website too.
Rolling eyes ..............
Modified the talking points now that it is understood that she was dead wrong and uninformed when she said she was going to end gun registration in Texas?
Is she still "wishing" she could carry a gun into the grocery store like Rick Perry, my wife and I do?
Maybe in the future when her website is modified to correct errors the changes can be highlighted in bright yellow so we can more easily find the revisions.
“Im voting for her in the primary.”
I’ll be watching the polls and as soon as she gets ahead of Kay baby I’ll vote for Medina.
Since when do y’all go shopping with Perry?
Has she really recanted her registration remark?
I have no interest in going to her site to dig around
It was interesting to see all the Medina-bots claiming
that we really DO have gun registration, grasping at
Here’s a test for ‘em:
HG: Hey Eaker, you remember that Nagant I bought a few years ago?
Eaker: Yeah, what about it?
HG: I’m tired of it eating up space in the gun cabinet. You want it?
Eaker: Sure, it’s a nice piece.
HG: Give me eighty bucks for it.
Eaker: OK, here you go.
HG: It’s all yours.
(Eaker packs up the gun and leaves)
No paperwork changed hands, no agency was informed.
Exercise for the class:
WAS THIS LEGAL IN TEXAS?
“If you believe you can remove property taxes without one of the two solutions above, then I have some ocean front property in Dumas, Texas that I want to sale you!
But is it really possible to completely replace property taxes in Texas by expanding the sales tax base?
Yes. The Texas Public Policy Foundation (TPPF) released a study in April, 2009 showing that simply expanding the sales tax base to include categories of goods and services that are not currently taxed in Texas, but that are taxed in other states, would replace almost all the revenues currently collected by the property tax. Examples of some services that we currently do not tax include mining services, drilling services, legal services, limousine services and others. By also adding in a one-time sales tax on the saleof property (as opposed to an annual tax on property ownership), the TPPF study showed that we could replace the entire property tax revenues with a modest increase in the sales tax rate to 8.8 percent.
“The same was said about the Kenyan Klown. “
That’s what you get for watching the State run media.
Great come back!
You going to be in town all week? How's the veal?
You left off the single biggest item that will have the greatest effect on the most people.
Why am I not surprised.
Is there a single honest bone in just one Medinabot?
Be ready to be ignored as Medinabots will only address issues that they have pre-printed talking points (typically lies) already in hand.
Thinking on one’s feet is not a strong trait in Medina supporters.
When I am afraid to debate the truth of a statment I make I resort to attacks without offering evidence of my statement.
The Governor threads are littered with pro-Medina false statements that have been thoroughly refuted and questions asked of Medina supporters that are never addressed.
I'll be damned if I'll recap everything posted the past few weeks for it just to be ignored again.
One good example is the Medina pledge to end gun registration in Texas. Is she still backing this false promise even though everyone knows there is no registration or is it just going to be ignored? What would go a long way to her gaining some support would be for her to just admit she was wrong.
For her and her supporters to continue to ignore this elephant in the room each time it is brought up is just another lie by omission in each instance. Lies, even the same ones repeated tend to add up and sour people's opinion of the liar.
Ignoring that she is a Ron Paul supporter isn't helping her either as each time it is ignored the bigger of a negative it becomes.
Maybe Medina will get a joint endorsement from Ron Paul and Mitt Romney so we can forget about her all together and get on to the business of beating the democrats.
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