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Denver boy, 9, died after state-benefits error denied him asthma medication
Denver Post ^ | February 4, 2010 | Allison Sherry

Posted on 02/04/2010 2:35:27 PM PST by Second Amendment First

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To: Second Amendment First

I would have sold everything I could if I had to get medicine for a child.

This woman is an absolute disgrace.

And what about the dad? Oh well.


101 posted on 02/04/2010 5:26:28 PM PST by Mears
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To: machogirl

>> Something we seriously wrong on both ends.

No doubt.


102 posted on 02/04/2010 5:27:08 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: kimmie7
It’s that awful taste! lol, that’s to what I was referring.

That's one of those interesting differences between people -- to me it's basically tasteless, but mildly pleasant.

103 posted on 02/04/2010 5:34:53 PM PST by r9etb
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To: kimmie7

Learn Spanish and travel.

Mexican Riviera is fun and lots to do.

Come back stocked up and if a friend will help, they should get a prescrption.


104 posted on 02/04/2010 5:35:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Advair isn't a rescue medication...

It's a maintenance drug.

Sounds like to me...this kid was too sick to just be on Advair alone. This lady drug her feet...She could have got an Advair disc somewhere, somehow.

Something stinks here...

105 posted on 02/04/2010 5:39:29 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: Soothesayer

She obviously couldn’t afford it. People with money have this unreasonable belief that everyone has a reserve they can tap into. A lot don’t.


106 posted on 02/04/2010 5:40:51 PM PST by Melas
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To: Second Amendment First

advair costs hundreds of dollars a script.

Out of pocket

However I am surprised that the doc did not immediately put the kid on prednisone generic. That should have been more affordable.

I cannotwait for the end of perscription insurance. That is what is driving the cost of meds up.


107 posted on 02/04/2010 5:43:45 PM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: Melas
She obviously couldn’t afford it.

Then she should have gotten off her a$$ and worked, but that would have been out of the question.
108 posted on 02/04/2010 5:44:31 PM PST by John D
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To: Soothesayer
Why didn’t she just buy it? This doesn’t make sense! The medication to save her son’s life was in a box a few feet in front of a wooden counter.

Just adding the Advair to this kids drug regime doesn't sound like it was the answer. Besides it appears he did get back on it for a couple weeks or so.

He was a lot sicker than that.......Mom should have known.

Poor kid...

FWIW-

109 posted on 02/04/2010 5:44:36 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: TalonDJ

If I expressed my disgust at your comments, I would probably be banned.


110 posted on 02/04/2010 5:44:51 PM PST by Melas
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To: stylin_geek
I’ve gotten by with a Primatene rescue inhaler

Stop using that.......

I've seen too many folks die using that stuff........

Just go buy a Ventolin Inhaler

111 posted on 02/04/2010 5:51:38 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: kimmie7

PULMICORT has not been effective for anyone I know and Symbicort never feels quite right.


112 posted on 02/04/2010 5:55:23 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AU72

She took him there twice apparently, the second time they gave her some samples but it would seem his condition had deteriorated so much it didn’t help to go back on the meds. I have to wonder if his condition wasn’t something other than asthma. What I don’t understand is why she didn’t take him to the health services. every city has one with doctors and everything. This is a sad case of people expecting the gov to fix things for them, like the people in N.O. waiting for someone to take care of them instead of finding a way out themselves.


113 posted on 02/04/2010 5:57:21 PM PST by visualops (Freepin' on my Pre!)
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To: stylin_geek
If the kid had gone months without using Advair, it wouldn’t be instantly effective.

Advair is a steroid fluticasone and a bronchodilator salmeterol mix....most can expect benefits 30 minutes after use....some might take a week.

You are correct...it's not a rescue inhaler.

We don't have the full story here....I'd wager.

FRegards,

114 posted on 02/04/2010 6:01:25 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: Born Conservative

I am going to say something that may or may not be the case but should be considered.

Not everyone is bright enough to advocate for themselves in the increasingly complex systems the leftists have developed.

The Bell Curve talks about how this would become increasingly problematic.


115 posted on 02/04/2010 6:01:44 PM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: piytar
I can direct you to a couple web sites...that will give you free Advair with a scrip.

This lady didn't try hard enough, IMO.

116 posted on 02/04/2010 6:03:24 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: Crim
I suspect there is more to this story than we’ve been told....

the sad thing is that there probably isn't more to this story...

117 posted on 02/04/2010 6:08:36 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Vendome
Advair doesn't work the same has other hand helds.....

It's a unit dose powder which is delivered by the patient's inhalation.

That said...you make a decent point about other MDI's that use a delivery gas.

118 posted on 02/04/2010 6:08:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: Vendome
Don't do it.....

It can be dangerous.......

119 posted on 02/04/2010 6:10:22 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: Vendome

Yes, Primatene is OTC. I don’t recommend it unless there’s nothing else available.


120 posted on 02/04/2010 6:10:47 PM PST by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: Osage Orange
This lady didn't try hard enough, IMO

She didn't try hard enough??? Hell, she didn't try at all. She was not willing to work to get funds to pay for the medicine. She wasn't willing to put out the effort to try and find help in getting the medicine. She just wanted somebody else to do everything for her. Typical moocher.
121 posted on 02/04/2010 6:13:09 PM PST by John D
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To: Vendome

I am on Medicare/disability and have never heard of such a thing. I just went through a full yr of treatment for breast cancer and never had a problem. Some of my meds were not pd for since I was in the donut hole and my prescription INS didn’t cover them but I just pd for them with no problem.
I took care of my mother for 4 yes and she was medi/medi, best INS anyone can have they pay for everything. For 4 yes the only thing they didn’t pay for that there was no generic for was Advair. She was a breast cancer patient so lots of doctors and treatments. She was never denied a doctor, treatment, or type of medication except the Advair and we just pd for it.


122 posted on 02/04/2010 6:14:21 PM PST by sheana
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To: stylin_geek

I will put money on her being on public assistance. Then she wouldn’t have $175/month available to purchase it outright.

And the article states that they were getting treatment, including his getting so ill after an attack he never recovered.


123 posted on 02/04/2010 6:16:03 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Osage Orange

When I was between insurance, Primatene was what I could afford. Also, none of the new drugs were around either.

I don’t use Primatene currently. It’s been years since I’ve used it, as a matter of fact.

Now, I make more money and can afford Advair at full price, even without insurance.


124 posted on 02/04/2010 6:16:06 PM PST by stylin_geek (Greed and envy is used by our political class to exploit the rich and poor.)
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To: John D
In hindsite....you could be right.

Another angle is maybe this woman...isn't all that bright.

Like most have mentioned here....we don't have the whole story. And we probably won't ever.....

125 posted on 02/04/2010 6:17:47 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: La Lydia

There was an article recently here about the highest % of recipients of public assistance in MO, I believe. The article was trying to slam Walmart, but looking closely at the numbers, the employers with largest % of employees on public assistance is the state itself.


126 posted on 02/04/2010 6:19:23 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: Chickensoup

Exactly. It’s called “White Coat Syndrome” and people ar intimidated by other people wearing white coats.

You have to be the single biggest advocate for your self or find some one who is stronger and well read on your condition.

To many people suffer from just doing what a doctor says and not all thera pies work the same for each person.


127 posted on 02/04/2010 6:19:59 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

One thing I want to point out, when you buy prescrips from Canada, you are cheating the company that developed and brought the drug to market. Because Canada forces drug companies to sell their products in Canada at lower costs (to reduce Canada’s public health expenditures), the companies lose money in Canada and have to recover the money on US sales.


128 posted on 02/04/2010 6:21:23 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: stylin_geek
Good.

Primatene mist should be banned.....IMO.

129 posted on 02/04/2010 6:22:08 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: Osage Orange; kimmie7

kimmie7 might want your help.


130 posted on 02/04/2010 6:22:26 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: stylin_geek
I too had asthma as a child in the 40’s and 50’s, no Advair. I don't remember what I took but I had pills and an inhaler. At times I feared that I was going to die but only had to go to the ER once. This poor boy died a horrible death over a period of 4 months. The system failed him but I feel that his mother failed him as well. I would beg on the street for money to buy my childs medication if that was the only way I could get it. I wonder what was irritating this childs lungs, in my case it was the feather mattress that I slept on. When my parents got me a new mattress I was a new kid. This was long before allergy testing I suppose, at least I knew nothing about it at the time.
131 posted on 02/04/2010 6:26:31 PM PST by Ditter
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To: sheana

like I said, my experience is different.

Wasn’t big deal. got the meds the next day but I would have started getting agitated if they weren’t there the next day.

on the procedure, I don’t recall the specifics of what or why there was a limitation but, I do remember my response being on the order of “WTH”


132 posted on 02/04/2010 6:28:43 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Osage Orange

why?


133 posted on 02/04/2010 6:44:20 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: sheana

What’s “the Donut Hole”?


134 posted on 02/04/2010 6:47:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: machogirl
And Dr.’s have samples. My children were given a sample of Advair.

That is what I didn't get either.

Back when I didn't have health insurance my doctor gave me an entire bag of samples. Why didn't she call his doctor and ask for help?

135 posted on 02/04/2010 6:54:54 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: Chickensoup

I don’t discount your theory at all. But if this woman WAS asking for help, why didn’t anyone see it through so the child got his med?


136 posted on 02/04/2010 7:20:47 PM PST by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Vendome

Very thoughtful, however my asthma has recently taken a turn for the “oh my gosh” and Advair no longer helps. They have moved me to Symbicort full strength.


137 posted on 02/04/2010 7:21:14 PM PST by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: Vendome

They put me on Pulmicort first, but I began having severe anger issues and demonic nightmares. Thank the Lord they got me off that fast. LOL


138 posted on 02/04/2010 7:23:13 PM PST by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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To: Second Amendment First
Socialized Med thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2443993/posts

139 posted on 02/04/2010 7:38:28 PM PST by GailA (obamacare paid for by cuts & taxes on most vulnerable Veterans, disabled,seniors & retired Military)
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To: Born Conservative
I don’t discount your theory at all. But if this woman WAS asking for help, why didn’t anyone see it through so the child got his med?

You seem to think that there is some sort of system in place to make sure things like this do not happen. The only way things like this wont happen is to privatize everything. The state cannot meet people's needs because bureaucracies cannot flex.

140 posted on 02/04/2010 8:00:15 PM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve. Is our government our traitor?)
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To: Second Amendment First

My pharmacist son says this happens all the time. Some woll not pay for medicine, no matter how sick their child is. Most drive nice cars and have cell phones....I just don’t understand how a parent could let a child suffer just because of a Medicaid problem.


141 posted on 02/04/2010 8:12:52 PM PST by jch10 (It is an ill wind blowing...)
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To: jch10

That’s truly depressing.


142 posted on 02/04/2010 8:19:41 PM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: ican'tbelieveit
We don't buy from Canada.

My husband worked for Schering Pharmaceutical for years.

But if my child's life is at risk and I have no alternative, I will gladly beg, borrow or steal to get him the medication he needs.

143 posted on 02/05/2010 7:30:26 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Second Amendment First

This is sad. There are many churches in the Denver area which have discretionary funds to help people in the community with these issues. I wish someone would have steered her that way. She could have had help with the cost of meds while waiting for the government issue to be straightened out.

I think most “paraprofessionals” in the Denver Pubic Schools are part-time and not entitled to health benefits.


144 posted on 02/05/2010 7:48:21 AM PST by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Bull crap! She could have taken the kid to the ER at any time and he would have been treated and sent home with medication. He would have received the treatment; that’s one reason why illegals come here because they know that they will get medical care with no real obligation to pay for it. She did nothing for how long? That’s neglect.


145 posted on 02/05/2010 7:57:55 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I know being in those situations can be overwhelming, and we can’t see all of the alternatives. I am surprised the doctors didn’t help direct her toward other assistance. If I worked for that company and knew of her plight, I would have passed it on to the powers that be.

Years ago, after my kids father and I separated, we were on public assistance. From time to time we got caught in bureaucratic hell. But, if the life of my child depended on something, I would have been begging family for help.


146 posted on 02/05/2010 7:58:41 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: ican'tbelieveit

That little boy did not have to die. Momma should have gotten off the phone and started begging in the streets if it’s that serious. I am a cash pay patient and my dr give me samples of the rescue inhaler as well as ADVAIR. Never had a problem.
My sister has no coverage and no money. She is asthmatic, has high blood pressure, thryroid issues, bad back you name it. She called me one day just to talk and I could barely understand her. She had bronchitis and didn’t have the money for dr/meds. I went to the store and sent her western union the money she needed. Same with my nephew. He is Bi-polar w/hi BP. Out of work last year w/no meds. I sent the money. My downstairs neighbor too. He’s elderly and his check just keeps(LOL) on getting lost in the mail and he needs money for meds. Sucker me gives it to him.
But the point is there are many ways to work these problems out. Alot of the pharaceutical companies advertise that if you can’t afford the meds and need them, to call and they will arrange something.
What a sad loss of life.


147 posted on 02/05/2010 8:26:35 AM PST by MarineMom613 (Please God, Watch over our Military Men & Women at this perillous time in our world.)
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To: Vendome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D_coverage_gap

In other words, they actually want you to pay for some of your meds.


148 posted on 02/05/2010 8:40:59 AM PST by sheana
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To: sheana

Didn’t know it actually had a name.

My 99 yr. old friend, who had four hip operations and 9 hospitalizations in one year, had covered expenses and threshold out of pocket expenses.

Totally makes sense and the %’s look about the same as her coverage.


149 posted on 02/05/2010 8:53:30 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Chickensoup
You seem to think that there is some sort of system in place to make sure things like this do not happen.

One of the medical professionals involved in his care surely should have advocated for him, or at least seen that an alternative was tried if they couldn't get the Advair (I speak from experience in the field)

150 posted on 02/05/2010 10:51:46 AM PST by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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