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Posted on 02/04/2010 5:55:09 PM PST by ezfindit
A large wooden cross was placed at an Air Force Academy worship area for pagans and other Earth-centered religions, prompting an investigation by academy officials, though some caution that its hardly destructive behavior.
Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said an Air Force Academy staffer spotted the cross erected with railroad ties lying against a rock at a worship area for pagan groups at the academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., on Jan. 17.
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WTF has happened to my alma mater........
USAFA, Class of ‘77
I can’t take a grown man seriously who still calls himself “Mikey.”
And thus it starts. ;-)
gotta respect the rights of witches...
easier to slap the hand of the hand of God, then deal with those pesky itchy bum spells........
Would it be hate speech if it was placed on the steps of a synagogue?
....just move the cross and forget about it.
Our military is rapidly going to hell. As a proud veteran, it breaks my heart. Islamofascists terrorists are recruited and trained to kill our troops BEFORE they can deploy overseas. Olive drab “boas” are going to become part of the uniform. Flying brooms will be replacing our fixed and rotary wing aircraft! It’s all insane.
No worse than finding a Muslim crescent nailed up in a Church.
Perfectly acceptable, yes...
If Obama and the libs have anything to do about it...I agree. It is disgusting.
Maybe it will become another Hill of Crosses.
its a shame... the air force was making forward progress with this...
this reminds me of the times of king bluetooth and jael haakon, gets my norse blood boiling.
Why cant people understand that in America we have the freedom of religion and that not all people who are good and conservative worship the god of adam, eve, and abraham...
we would (and do) die for this great country we share.
This *is* just like throwing a swastika on a Jewish temple. This should not be dismissed lightly.
These pagan “religions” are a joke anyway. They take some carved stones and scratches on rocks and create a “religion” around them. Virtually nothing is known about the people who practiced these religions or even if they really were religions.
They’re all practicioners of the “look at me” religion.
By the Cross you are saved — even the pagans can be saved.
And dont forget that we are the true infidels, we are just as much at war with the islamofacists as our fellow americans and as israel is. Not all pagans fly brooms... some of us make the sign of the hammer.
i hate to tell you.. but 95% of christanity is taken from paganism and adopted as to not “upset the locals”
St valentine, patron saint of archers, valentines day = love... the god val patron god of archery and of love
Easter... the goddess Eastare
Christmas trees and wreaths... thors favorite tree, wreaths shun away the spirits of the cold.
it goes on and on and on.
Big F’n deal. you pagan clowns are lying morons who made up a religion so someone would pay attention to you.
There is no theology in paganism. If paganism is a religion, then so is atheism.
smoking that crack again?
why do we need to be saved from a fate we don’t believe in? The only thing we need to be saved from is a straw death.
It would be just like a scientologist coming up to you and telling you that even though you dont believe in it... tom cruse can still free you of your high theaten count. How would that make you feel? you would blow it off and then get annoyed when they keep harassing you. We are in the same boat.
dont forget that many of your forefathers came here because of the same persecution in england.
My Christianity is taken from the Bible, not a lot of pagan compromise found there.
The pre-Christian history of the fish symbol:
The fish symbol has been used for millennia worldwide as a religious symbol associated with the Pagan Great Mother Goddess. It is the outline of her vulva. The fish symbol was often drawn by overlapping two very thin crescent moons. One represented the crescent shortly before the new moon; the other shortly after, when the moon is just visible. The Moon is the heavenly body that has long been associated with the Goddess, just as the sun is a symbol of the God.
Need I go on?... I can do this allll night
and we DO have a set of belefis. We are NOT atheists. You beleave a god lives in the heavens, I think that *several* gods live in the heavens.
Ever wonder why the domains of the angels happen to line up exactly with the domains of many pagan gods that predate them by hundreds or thousands of years? and not just nordic gods. germanic gods, egyption gods, shinto gods, etc.
Not all pagans worship wood or the earth...
Not all christians worship mother mary as the head of the church of christ or eat of the flesh of jeasus....
That is correct. It allowed Christians (it s a proper noun, you know), to worship without being killed. It was a form of hiding in plain sight, which any religion might have done in a pagan society where religion was not allowed.
The important thing is paganism is not a theology. There may have been ritual, but there is no God. The pagans would have reacted badly to Jews as well.
We should not equate atheistic clubs with monotheistic religions. Paganism, while ritualistic, is no more a religion than my ritual of getting up every morning, taking a shower, and commuting to work. Tens of thousands join the ritual in my city. You could set you clock to it, just like you can set your clock to the sun rising over Stonehenge on the equinox. That does not may our morning ritual a religious exercise.
Good for you,
just dont listen to ANYTHING that has come out of rome or any other organized christian organization and you may yet live by just the true teachings of jesus christ. I truly do wish you luck in that, i mean no sarcasm in that.
Take what the jews know of Yahweh and add in the new testiment and leave it at that.
LOL, yeah, it’s a real nightmare.
How would General George Washington handle this?
At least with Christianity, Judaism, ((shudder)) Islam, Hinduism, and even Zoroastrianism we can trace them from their beginnings and know where the practitioners are being true to their beliefs.
These earth religions are recent fantasies built around a smattering of ancient artifacts with no frames of reference to say what was or wasn’t of religious significance. As far as Christianity using old pagan symbols, It makes sense for a smart religion to do that but it really doesn’t matter because of the religious significance behind them.
I used to work with two wiccans from different sides of town and they hated each other because both claimed to be wiccan but neither could agree to what the rites were or what anything meant.
Ditto to what you said.
Ken in Texas
USAFA, Class of 73
It is called the Bible
Old and New Testament.
I am a pagan
I worship Thor
I worship Odin
I worship Tyr
I worship Val
I worship Eastare
I worship Freya
I worship Frigg
I believe in the goddess Hel (another term stolen....)
I believe in Loki
we have many gods.. as many as you have angels
The term pagan came from paganus which was a term for anyone of a “non-Abrahamic faith”
I agree one shouldn’t dismiss the incident lightly, but one shouldn’t also overreact to it.
Freedom of religion gives pagans the right to worship as they please. Freedom of speech gives others the right to tell the pagans their religion is a joke or worse, an abomination.
It’s one thing to tell people to leave the stupid witches alone, to respect their right to “worship” in peace. It’s something else to equate the cross with hate speech.
Heh. I have a wreath on my front door and it doesn't do crap to the cold weather, though it looks nice ;)
Pagan gods (lowercase) predate God (proper noun)?
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1, NIV)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1, NIV)
That is the joke of "modern" paganism. Even the Greeks believed in Zeus, the Romans in Jove, and the American Indians in The Great Spirit (a.k.a. The Creator a.k.a. The Creator Spirit).
Sure, there are parallels, messenger lesser gods like Mercury and messenger angels like Gabriel. But I hardly believe these somehow disprove monotheism in favor of polytheism. In fact, I believe they prove the opposite. Remember monotheist prophets such as Noah, Abraham, and Moses walked the Earth after the Greek and Roman gods had long left.
That said, where is the formal structure of said pagan theology and denomination? Without it, it is just a bunch of rebellious 20 year olds who rebelliousness should give pause to their proposed careers as military officers.
Gods? The Nephilim.
if you want to be a good christian and not follow pagan rights and rituals you will do what it says in the old and new Testament ONLY
tell me, do you celebrate christmas? do you do so on dec 25th? If so you do so because of something that Constantine did 375ish years AFTER Jesus died.
The date of December 25th originated with the ancient “birthday” of the son-god, Mithra, a pagan deity whose religious influence became widespread in the Roman Empire during the first few centuries A.D. Mithra was related to the Semitic sun-god, Shamash, and his worship spread throughout Asia to Europe where he was called Deus Sol Invictus Mithras. Rome was well-known for absorbing the pagan religions and rituals of its widespread empire. As such, Rome converted this pagan legacy to a celebration of the god, Saturn, and the rebirth of the sun god during the winter solstice period. The winter holiday became known as Saturnalia and began the week prior to December 25th. The festival was characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and downright debauchery, as the priests of Saturn carried wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the Roman temples.
Variations of this pagan holiday flourished throughout the first few centuries after Jesus Christ, but it wasn’t until 336 AD that Emperor Constantine officially converted this pagan tradition into the “Christian” holiday of Christmas
melkor: “i hate to tell you.. but 95% of christanity is taken from paganism and adopted as to not upset the locals”
It’s pretty obvious you haven’t studied Christianity much. You can’t even spell it correctly. 95% of so-called Christian holidays may or may not have their roots in pagan holidays. A holiday, however, is not the same as a religion. Why not spend some time studying the Bible (with the intent to understand it not just refute it), then get back to us, OK?
see that’s why I’m all about Christ................
He would just forgive them, not want an international incident made out of it....
I’m so sick of the “victo-crats”
How would General George Washington handle this?
He would gladly take the help from the pagan soldier who was willing to fight and die for creation of something as wonderful as America.
“When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept “Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists.” Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, “Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception.”
To everyone thinking that all pagans are witches....
Pagan is a “catchall” catagory for everyone with a relegion that is not based on the sons of Abraham.
Nothing in your argument negates my Christianity nor my assurance of salvation. If my fate is to spend eternity in hell, it will not be because I have a Christmas tree in my living room on December 25th, it will be because I rejected Jesus as my savior.
To get back to the question.
How would General George Washington handle this, (once he found out that such a thing existed in his camp)?
“A large wooden cross was placed at an Air Force Academy worship area for pagans and other Earth-centered religions”
Does westboro baptist church represent all Christians?
Would you be upset if someone said that because Fred Phelps says god hates America because god hates fags, therefore ALL Christians must hate america?
As someone said earlier, what if someone went to a church, took down the cross, tossed it in the grass, and raised a Muslim crescent? As long as you disassembled the cross and didnt cut it down with a chainsaw it would be “non destructive” just like mentioned in the article.
Next time a church is burned down, lets tell the arson squad “Ya know.. christ.. he wants this forgiven.. lets close the case and move on”
ok, fair enough....
but then you can not get upset about the “war on christmas”, people saying “happy holidays” or “Merry X-Mas”. You cant get upset that someone took down the nativity scene in a town square. You cant get mad when santa is not allowed to visit kids in school. Etc... etc..
I already replied..
He would gladly accept them into his army and into his country. He would even give them a Chaplin to match their faith.
When trying to arrange for workmen in 1784 at Mount Vernon, Washington made clear that he would accept “Mohometans, Jews or Christians of any Sect, or they may be Atheists.” Washington wrote Lafayette in 1787, “Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception.
He was aware that religious beliefs were a fundamental part of the lives of his peers and of his soldiers. He knew that a moral basis for the American Revolution and the creation of a new society would motivate Americans to support his initiatives - and he knew that he would receive more support if he avoided discriminating against specific religious beliefs.
In the Revolutionary War, Washington supported troops selecting their own chaplains (such as the Universalist John Murray) while trying to avoid the development of factions within the army. Religion offered him moral leverage to instill discipline, reduce theft, deter desertion, and minimize other rambunctious behaviors that upset local residents. It was logical for Washington to invoke the name of the Divine, but it may have been motivated more by a desire for improving life on earth rather than dealing with life after death.
Link with references
I can get upset about anything I want to, logical or not, it still would have nothing to do with my salvation.
but why would you get upset?
You have faith in Jesus as your savior. You know he died for your sins and that it has granted you an eternal life in heaven with him.
How does saying “happy holidays” vs “Merry christmas” change the above fact accepted by you?