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Brady Campaign declares war on Starbucks; time for a cup of coffee
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | February 4, 2010 | Dave Workman

Posted on 02/04/2010 8:01:51 PM PST by Still Thinking

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has declared war on a Northwest institution, and in the process perhaps the public will discover the extremes gun prohibitionists will go in an effort to push their radical agenda.

The Brady Bunch has Starbucks squarely in its crosshairs, hoping to browbeat the coffee giant into refusing service to an evidently growing clientele of law-abiding firearms owners. In an e-mail message sent out this week, Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke laments that, “Starbucks is refusing to prohibit open carrying in its stores, despite protests from loyal customers.”

Over the past few months, more and more gun owners have been gathering at restaurants and coffee shops like Starbucks with guns strapped to their hips--Paul Helmke

This was after Helmke acknowledged that his campaign of social bigotry against legally-armed citizens was launched because, “Over the past few months, more and more gun owners have been gathering at restaurants and coffee shops like Starbucks with guns strapped to their hips, intimidating fellow patrons.”

So, let me see if I have this straight. Because Starbucks is attracting increasing numbers of gun owners – presumably becoming the kind of loyal customers about whom Helmke writes – he wants the coffee chain to ban these people, in deference to his own ilk of hoplophobes.

In reaction, even more gun owners are declaring a sudden thirst for Starbucks blend and heading to their local coffee stand.

Is this not the same kind of nonsense I wrote about here last Friday, in reporting the angst demonstrated by Washington CeaseFire’s Ralph Fascitelli over the perfectly legal appearance at a public hearing in Olympia by several open carry activists?

The Brady camp has teamed up with CREDO Action, a self-proclaimed progressive activist organization that uses mobile phones to affect social change.

Helmke’s e-mail diatribe further complains that, “The practice of packing heat in places like Starbucks is intimidating and could be potentially dangerous to our families and communities -- and it must be stopped.

“It’s everyone's right to sit in a restaurant or coffee shop with their families without intimidation or fear of guns,” he says, “either concealed or openly carried.”

Intimidating to whom? This may come as a culture shock to Helmke, but it is equally everyone’s right – if they choose to exercise it – to sit in a restaurant with family or friends and not be concerned (because they are prepared) about criminal attack, or an incident on the scale of the Luby’s Massacre in October 1991, in which 23 restaurant patrons, disarmed at the time by Texas statute, were murdered. It might just be that Americans took a lesson from another incident two months later at a Shoney’s restaurant in Anniston, Alabama, in which a legally-armed citizen prevented a massacre by shooting two robbers who were herding people into a food locker.

I wrote about this incident with Alan Gottlieb in America Fights Back: Armed Self-Defense in a Violent Age.

Thomas Terry, the hero of Anniston, was discreetly but legally carrying a .45 caliber handgun when the robbers took over the restaurant. Facing two armed thugs, Terry shot one dead and severely wounded the other. None of the other patrons was harmed, other than Terry, who sustained a grazing wound to the hip.—Timothy Wheeler, MD

Helmke also argues that “Under the law, Starbucks has the right to adopt a gun-free policy, with an exception for uniformed police officers.”

Guess what, Paul. Starbucks also has the right as a business to allow patronage by anyone it damn well pleases, including legally-armed citizens. Their money is just as good as yours, and so far, there has not been a single reported incident involving any of these gun owners, including the robbery of a Starbucks while an armed citizen happens to be standing at the counter.

Social bigotry against gun owners is just as insidious as bigotry against any other group. What would the public reaction be if someone demanded that a private business refuse service to, say African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Jews, Arabs, Native Americans, Samoans, disabled people, overweight people, gays or women? Got a tattoo? Stay out!

Helmke rants about intimidation, yet he has no reservations about trying to intimidate a business over some of the people it serves. His kind of demagoguery has one significant trait: Hypocrisy.

If Helmke and other gun prohibitionists don’t want to be around other citizens because they are legally armed, that is a problem, but it is their problem. Perhaps they should start drinking tea.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; brady; coffee; examiner; helmke; opencarry; starbucks
I love it when liberals eat their own. OTOH, a potential tip of the hat to Starbucks for not instantaneously caving to liberal orthodoxy and spitting in the eye of a big portion of their base.
1 posted on 02/04/2010 8:01:51 PM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Still Thinking
You were saying ...

I love it when liberals eat their own.

Gosh, I didn't know I was drinking "liberal coffee" all these years... LOL...

I wonder how many other conservatives have been doing the same thing... :-)

2 posted on 02/04/2010 8:05:53 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Starbucks management (and presumably employees) is widely viewed as a hotbed of liberalism.


3 posted on 02/04/2010 8:06:52 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
I love it when liberals eat their own. OTOH, a potential tip of the hat to Starbucks for not instantaneously caving to liberal orthodoxy and spitting in the eye of a big portion of their base.

Besides, they're going to end up getting all the open-carry customers who had been going to Peets.

4 posted on 02/04/2010 8:07:02 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Star Traveler

Gosh I am another one who didn’t know Starbucks was liberal. I thought it was just good tasting coffee. (goodness)


5 posted on 02/04/2010 8:09:13 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Still Thinking
Apparently, the Brady Campaign enjoys these type of headlines.
6 posted on 02/04/2010 8:09:31 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: Still Thinking
Patronize Starbucks and show them your appreciation for standing up for open carry customers and let the store management know.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

7 posted on 02/04/2010 8:11:22 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Still Thinking

Brady-fan customers of Starbucks have as much right as any Starbucks customers to complain to Starbucks about things that offend them. But Starbucks is wise to see the Astroturfing here.


8 posted on 02/04/2010 8:11:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Still Thinking

People who have a fear of firearms are welcome to go to a competing coffee shop and have a cup.


9 posted on 02/04/2010 8:12:03 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Still Thinking

well, with the price of their coffee, they certainly cant afford to turn away customers...


10 posted on 02/04/2010 8:12:23 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Still Thinking

Isnt Starbucks still donating to anti gun groups?


11 posted on 02/04/2010 8:13:14 PM PST by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Still Thinking
You were saying ...

Starbucks management (and presumably employees) is widely viewed as a hotbed of liberalism.

Good thing I was never infected while drinking their coffee... :-)

By the way, do you know any good liberals I can get to clean my house and scrub my toilets, too? ... LOL ...

12 posted on 02/04/2010 8:13:48 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Check this thread The Way Starbucks Sees It
13 posted on 02/04/2010 8:14:30 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking
I don't want to check out anything. To me and a lot of other people it is just a cup of coffee.
14 posted on 02/04/2010 8:17:14 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Your call. If they really are the type that have contempt for my values and spit on my way of life as soon as I’m not standing there, I’d rather spend my coffee money elsewhere.


15 posted on 02/04/2010 8:18:24 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

OTOH, it’s not wise never to reevaluate; then there’s no opportunity or reason for people to change. As I mentioned, if they ARE doing the right thing here, I applaud them and would take that into consideration next time I want a cup of coffee.


16 posted on 02/04/2010 8:20:16 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking; LuvFreeRepublic

LOL... oh yeah... Starbucks writing things on the side of their cups that no one ever saw... I never saw them either... [and the trouble there is that if I had seen them, I could have even protested it myself... alas... just never saw them... :-) ...]

They obviously had a real successful campaign there... :-)

But, hey, if you like another brand of coffee, well, you can go for it, too... but I like the WiFi, the coffee, and they don’t try to boot you out of there no matter how long you want to stay with your laptop... it’s a great place... at least it has been for me...


17 posted on 02/04/2010 8:21:32 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Still Thinking

PLEASE don’t make me side with the commielibs at Star*ucks! This is like having to support Whole Foods. Don’t make me do that again.

I guess a little capitalism is a dangerous thing even for liberal businesses.


18 posted on 02/04/2010 8:24:12 PM PST by OrangeHoof ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Bend over suckahs".)
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To: Star Traveler

That was just the first thread I happened to stumble across, and yes, that particular issue isn’t the most damning in history, but if true it certainly gives a hint on the corporate mindset. I remember being in a number of threads over the years talking about stuff they were doing that was unreasonably liberal. Maybe it depends on the specific location. Like I said, it’s your call. If you like the place, by all means do business with them.


19 posted on 02/04/2010 8:25:22 PM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Star Traveler

Starbucks is nothing worth getting all worked up about. We have very serious problems in this country and it is not because of Starbucks.


20 posted on 02/04/2010 8:25:38 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Still Thinking

Mixed emotions about this one.


21 posted on 02/04/2010 8:29:45 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
I thought it was just good tasting coffee.

Well, it really isn't that, but at least it's really expensive.

22 posted on 02/04/2010 8:31:48 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Keith Brown; Still Thinking
You were saying ...

Isnt Starbucks still donating to anti gun groups?

I think you may be referring to some unsubstantiated e-mail that was circulating on the Internet... LOL...

Or perhaps it was another list that I saw with Starbucks' name on it, along with every company that exists in the United States, on it, too -- all being anti-gun... :-)

Aside from that, I don't know of anything substantiated... (and those weren't substantiated by any means...).

And Heck! You do know that Rush Limbaugh even has computers (that he considers to be absolutely wonderful) from a company that has Al Gore on the board... LOL...

23 posted on 02/04/2010 8:32:28 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Still Thinking

Gun solvent tastes better’n that overpriced crap.

Do they even sell anything that DOESN’T taste like it’s been run through a monkeys butt?


24 posted on 02/04/2010 8:35:03 PM PST by digger48
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To: Still Thinking

Starbucks today! Apple Computer stores tomorrow!

Imagine walking into one of those with a .45 strapped to your thigh and asking for an iPad.


25 posted on 02/04/2010 8:35:41 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: MileHi

WELL let me clarify, I think it is good tasting coffee. You are more than welcome to think what you want.


26 posted on 02/04/2010 8:38:26 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Still Thinking

I read somewhere that Washington CeaseFire’s Ralph Fascitelli isn’t even a Seattle native - he’s a recent East Coast transplant. Sent here to impose his fascist liberal views on the great unwashed Northwest. Carpetbagger.


27 posted on 02/04/2010 8:45:09 PM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Correction. It’s just an overpriced cup of coffee.


28 posted on 02/04/2010 8:51:08 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: Still Thinking
If they really are the type that have contempt for my values and spit on my way of life as soon as I’m not standing there, I’d rather spend my coffee money elsewhere.

Righteous comment!

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29 posted on 02/04/2010 8:51:21 PM PST by JCG
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To: Still Thinking

Sooner or later big business is going to figure out that getting into bed with the left for the past 15 years was a big mistake. The demands never stop and if you don’t obey when they think they own you, they will hate you and harm you. Personally, I think Starbucks should be unionized./s/


30 posted on 02/04/2010 9:06:16 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Keith Brown

I seem to remember that some time ago, Starbucks was getting heat (forgive the pun) about not letting their workers have a gun locked in their car in their parking lot—or some such.


31 posted on 02/04/2010 9:06:21 PM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: rabidralph

Killed 1997, Mary Caitrin Mahoney, 25, Former Clinton intern.


32 posted on 02/04/2010 9:14:39 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a keynote speaker at a Wellstone memorial...............)
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To: Still Thinking

If someone would change this campaign’s logo to replace “?” with “!”, we’d have something rather nifty to kick around.


33 posted on 02/04/2010 9:21:26 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Pelosi is practically President; the Obama is just her talk show host.)
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To: Still Thinking

Sarah Brady isa totalitarian.


34 posted on 02/04/2010 9:53:12 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Gosh I am another one who didn’t know Starbucks was liberal. I thought it was just good tasting coffee. (goodness)


Well, yes, Starbucks, as a corporate culture, is unrelentingly liberal, and no, their coffee isn't particularly good.

But it is really overpriced. I guess they have that going for them.
35 posted on 02/04/2010 10:35:28 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Still Thinking
You guys are insane if you think Starbucks is going to allow open carry, same with Peet’s, Support you family owned joints, not these liberal whores......
36 posted on 02/04/2010 10:44:59 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Milton Miteybad; LuvFreeRepublic

I manage a Starbucks Store. I am a Conservative. I have witnessed tolerance by the higher powers that exist for my beliefs, my faith, the organizations and causes I donate my personal time and money to. I wear a US Flag pin proudly each day. My customers are primarily conservative, except for a few fruitloops that have been in college for 10 years and still haven’t graduated.

The capture rate for my store remains high, and I will always seek to go above and beyond the “norm” to cultivate highly-satisfied customers.

I guess my point is that Starbucks and Schultz may be uber-liberal, but I still get to be me and I love my job. I truly enjoy my customers and look forward to seeing them stop by .

Most stores should be run in the exact fashion, where the customer is ALWAYS first, where Baristas get to know your name, remember your drink of choice, sincerely ask you how your day is going, and go above and beyond to get your order exactly right everytime.

Do you get that kind of feeling when your in your local Wal-Mart?

Do you really think WM cares about you? Or is it your almighty dollar?

I continue with my motto everyday...my associates are sick of hearing it. “It can take months to cultivate a highly satisfied customer and 5 minutes to lose one”.

oh...here’s a hint....if you aren’t satisfied with your beverage, tell your Barista. They should continue to make you a drink until you are satisfied. As for my store, we’ll throw away beverage after beverage until our customer is served a drink they are satisfied with.

ps..we have Fox News!!


37 posted on 02/04/2010 11:27:50 PM PST by borntobeagle (we the people)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

“I don’t want to check out anything. To me and a lot of other people it is just a cup of coffee.”

...and Avatar is just another film. Conservatives still (for now) hold the money in this country. When we give that money to businesses (and people) that are against us, we see it come back to us in well-funded campaigns, like Obama’s. If we were as careful controlling where our money went (i.e., to conservative, or at least neutral, causes), the liberals would be defunded practically overnight, and we would not have to cower in fear while the 20% of the country that call themselves liberal exact their revenge on the 40% that call themselves conservative (and the remaining 40% in the middle).

And the next time an Avatar-like film comes out, we would get to see an enjoyable movie, rather than (yet again) be lectured at.


38 posted on 02/04/2010 11:44:49 PM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: Still Thinking

The important point here is that the disarm the law-abiding, Brady gun grabbers have a major problem with people having the right and the ability to defend themselves.

This isn’t about gun safety or ‘protecting the children’, for them it’s all about diminishing the power the citizens of this nation and nothing else, never forget that.


39 posted on 02/05/2010 5:58:34 AM PST by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: digger48
Do they even sell anything that DOESN’T taste like it’s been run through a monkeys butt?

Civet coffee: for people who don't know what civets are.

40 posted on 02/05/2010 7:09:13 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: basil
I seem to remember that some time ago, Starbucks was getting heat (forgive the pun) about not letting their workers have a gun locked in their car in their parking lot—or some such.

That seems unlikely. Most Starbucks are in strip centers and have no parking lot other than the one that belongs too all the stores in common.

41 posted on 02/05/2010 7:13:32 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: cmsgop
You guys are insane if you think Starbucks is going to allow open carry, same with Peet’s, Support you family owned joints, not these liberal whores.

Well, apparently they've allowed it till now, or they wouldn't be getting pressure to stop. And, to be fair, they're apparently resisting that pressure. Peets, or that one location, apparently just went no-gun.

42 posted on 02/05/2010 7:18:59 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

Starbucks management (and presumably employees) is widely viewed as a hotbed of liberalism.


A liberal is only a liberal until they have been mugged.

Now that their liberal “friends” are mugging Starbucks, maybe Starbucks will reconsider its liberal marketing efforts.


43 posted on 02/05/2010 7:20:04 AM PST by Brookhaven
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To: Star Traveler

“but I like the WiFi, the coffee,”

MacDonald’s has good coffee for about $1 and free WiFi.


44 posted on 02/05/2010 7:37:49 AM PST by Poser (Enjoying Prime Rib for 58 Years!)
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To: Brugmansian

Um ... what? Which side of the law are you on? or what else are you on?


45 posted on 02/05/2010 7:49:23 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Pelosi is practically President; the Obama is just her talk show host.)
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To: Poser
MacDonald’s has good coffee for about $1 and free WiFi.

And they don't wear their politics on their corporate sleeve made in non-sweatshop conditions from free trade cotton, using wadda, wadda, wadda....

46 posted on 02/05/2010 7:54:05 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: borntobeagle
I manage a Starbucks Store. I am a Conservative. I have witnessed tolerance by the higher powers that exist for my beliefs, my faith, the organizations and causes I donate my personal time and money to. I wear a US Flag pin proudly each day. My customers are primarily conservative, except for a few fruitloops that have been in college for 10 years and still haven’t graduated...

...I guess my point is that Starbucks and Schultz may be uber-liberal, but I still get to be me and I love my job. I truly enjoy my customers and look forward to seeing them stop by.



Mazeltov! It's gratifying to know that your employer exhibits at least some level of tolerance for differing points of view.

oh...here’s a hint....if you aren’t satisfied with your beverage, tell your Barista. They should continue to make you a drink until you are satisfied. As for my store, we’ll throw away beverage after beverage until our customer is served a drink they are satisfied with.

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, this consumer tends to be a bit utilitarian in his coffee consumption, which is to say that he views coffee costing more than $1.00 per serving as being too expensive. But if I should find myself in the mood for a $4.50 cup of coffee, I will remember your advice. ;-)
47 posted on 02/05/2010 9:20:21 AM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: justrepublican

Yep. And whether it was a shot across Monica’s “bow” or not, late night retailers should be armed.


48 posted on 02/05/2010 2:57:16 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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