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Who are the 300 terrorists held in U.S. prisons?
Washington Examiner ^ | 2-5-2010 | Byron York

Posted on 02/04/2010 8:14:03 PM PST by smoothsailing

Who are the 300 terrorists held in U.S. prisons?

By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
February 5, 2010

"The Bush administration used the criminal justice system to convict more than 300 individuals on terrorism-related charges," writes Attorney General Eric Holder in a new letter to Republican critics in Congress. The letter is part of the Obama administration's aggressive defense of its decision to grant full American constitutional rights to al Qaeda soldier Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the accused Christmas Day bomber. That defense boils down to one sentence: Bush did it, too.

Republicans on Capitol Hill object. They argue that one of the reasons some terrorists were handled in the criminal justice system is that it took George W. Bush and Congress years to establish a military tribunal system that satisfied constitutional requirements -- a process that was lengthened by legal challenges filed by some of the same lawyers who now work in Holder's Justice Department.

You can argue about that forever. But there's one serious factual debate going on about Holder's letter, and that concerns those "300 individuals." Just who are they?

It turns out some lawmakers have been trying for months to get an answer. They're not saying the claim is false -- they just want to see what it's based on. But so far they haven't been able to find out.

It started back in May 2009, when President Obama gave his famous National Archives speech outlining the plan to close the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention center. "Bear in mind the following fact," Obama said. "Nobody has ever escaped from one of our federal 'supermax' prisons, which hold hundreds of convicted terrorists." Although the president did not put a number on it, various figures, ranging up to 300, have been tossed around in the months since.

To Republican Sen. Jon Kyl, something didn't sound right. Are there really that many convicted terrorists in U.S. prisons? And are they really comparable with the inmates at Guantanamo?

"It's a disingenuous argument," says Kyl. "There haven't been 300 high-profile, dangerous terrorism cases in the United States -- if there were, we would have heard about them."

A few days after the president's speech, Kyl sent a letter to Holder asking for the names and crimes of the terrorists held in federal prisons. "It is not my understanding that there are 'hundreds' of federal inmates who have been convicted of a level of terrorism comparable to that of Guantanamo detainees," Kyl wrote.

The senator got no response. Then, on June 17, Holder appeared at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, of which Kyl is a senior member. Kyl asked again. Holder didn't have the information at hand, so Kyl sent another written request.

Weeks passed, and then months, with no response. Then, last October, Kyl got an answer, of sorts, from Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich. Citing federal regulations, Weich said he "cannot provide ... a list of Bureau of Prisons inmates," although he said the department could give Kyl "briefings about terrorism suspects housed in federal prisons generally."

As for whether the inmates' crimes are comparable with those of high-value prisoners at Guantanamo, Weich responded, "A number of individuals with a history of, or nexus to, international or domestic terrorism are currently being held in federal prisons, each of whom was tried and convicted in a [civilian] court. The attorney general considers all crimes of terrorism to be serious."

Weich's words raised all sorts of red flags. "History of, or nexus to" -- what did that mean, precisely? "International or domestic terrorism" -- what about that? Just who was the Justice Department including in the 300 figure?

On Nov. 18, Holder appeared again before the Judiciary Committee. Asked yet again, he was perfectly agreeable. "I will supply you with those 300 names and what they were convicted of," Holder said. "I'll be glad to do that."

Now, two and a half more months have passed, with no answer. And in Holder's new letter, he repeats the "300 individuals" claim.

Republicans aren't accusing the attorney general of making anything up. But they want to know the evidence behind the claim, which is, after all, key to the Obama administration's case that the civilian justice system is the best way to handle Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

But the fight is also about something bigger. It's about a minority party struggling to find out what the administration is doing on an issue critical to national security. So far, it's been a hard slog. "What do you do," asks Jon Kyl, "with an administration that hides the ball, won't answer questions and makes up reasons as it goes along?"

Byron York, The Examiner's chief political correspondent, can be contacted at byork@washingtonexaminer.com. His column appears on Tuesday and Friday, and his stories and blog posts appears on www.ExaminerPolitics.com ExaminerPolitics.com.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: byronyork; democrat; democrats; detainees; ericholder; holder; impeachobama; nationalsecurity; nowot; obama; prison; prisons

1 posted on 02/04/2010 8:14:04 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

What’s up with Holder’s hair?


2 posted on 02/04/2010 8:19:24 PM PST by Krankor
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To: smoothsailing
Those Terrorist are really mean. Good thing Bush put them in prison.


3 posted on 02/04/2010 8:21:27 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: Krankor

I don’t know, did he dye it purple or green or something?


4 posted on 02/04/2010 8:24:02 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Krankor

I think he’s kind of strange looking.


5 posted on 02/04/2010 8:24:37 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: smoothsailing

If Holder lied to Congress (i.e. before a congressional committee), he can be held in Contempt of Congress. Would be interesting to know if he was sworn in before he gave his testimony. I know that I was on several ocassions, and it helped to enhance my credibility as a witness on leftist extremism, communist genocide in Vitnam and Cambodia, and related topics.

But then again, this is the Obama Administration where the truth is a stranger and transparency is painted over in black.


6 posted on 02/04/2010 8:25:09 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: smoothsailing

Holder is a liar. If for nothing else but telling Kyl several times he’d get the info to him and didn’t. Of course there are many things he’s lied about.

I wonder if they may be including the eco-terrorists that have been tried and convicted in federal courts the last few years. The eco-nazis have been having fits that their comrades in crime have been designated as terrorists but the federal courts have upheld it.


7 posted on 02/04/2010 8:44:38 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper; jazusamo

You got me curious, MadMax, so I looked up the definition of Contempt of Congress....

Definition
Congress has the authority to hold a person in contempt if the person’s conduct or action obstructs the proceedings of Congress or, more usually, an inquiry by a committee of Congress.

Contempt of Congress is defined in statute, 2 U.S.C.A. § 192, enacted in 1938, which states that any person who is summoned before Congress who “willfully makes default, or who, having appeared, refuses to answer any question pertinent to the question under inquiry” shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and subject to a maximum $1,000 fine and 12 month imprisonment.

Before a Congressional witness may be convicted of contempt, it must be established that the matter under investigation is a subject which Congress has constitutional power to legislate.

Generally, the same Constitutional rights against self-incrimination that apply in a judicial setting apply when one is testifying before Congress.

Caselaw
Quinn v. U.S., 349 U.S. 155, 75 S. Ct. 668, 99 L. Ed. 964, 51 A.L.R.2d 1157 (1955).

Fields v. U.S., 164 F.2d 97 (App. D.C. 1947).

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/contempt_of_congress

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It appears to me that Holder, whether under oath or not, is withholding information and is subject to Contempt of Congress, as defined above. Is Contempt automatic in that case or does it require a congressional vote?


8 posted on 02/04/2010 8:55:36 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

It sure looks like it to me too. I wonder if Jon Kyl would pursue that with an AG, I’d like to think so, especially this one.


9 posted on 02/04/2010 9:09:42 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

It would be fun to see Kyl do it! As a matter of fact, the more of this sort of thing Obama and his gang are forced to defend, the better.


10 posted on 02/04/2010 9:15:46 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

>>Who are the 300 terrorists held in U.S. prisons?

Aren’t they now serving in the current administration?


11 posted on 02/06/2010 3:03:18 AM PST by The Raven
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