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Obama Condemns Anti-Gay Bill in Uganda
Voive of America ^ | 04 February 2010 | Robert Raffaele

Posted on 02/05/2010 6:13:36 AM PST by Pan_Yan

U.S. President Barack Obama has sharply criticized an anti-gay bill in Uganda that would impose the death penalty in some cases. Other western governments and gay rights activists also have criticized the legislation. Supporters accuse the U.S. and other western nations of interfering in Uganda's internal affairs. VOA's Robert Raffaele has more.

The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.

Earlier this week, at the U.S. Congress, some 200 lawmakers introduced a resolution condemning the bill.

U.S. President Barack Obama criticized the Ugandan measure while speaking at a prayer breakfast Thursday in Washington. "We may disagree about gay marriage, but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are -- whether it's here in the United States or, more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed, most recently in Uganda," he said.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she recently called Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni, expressing the "strongest concerns" about the proposal.

Mr. Museveni is now calling the bill a 'foreign policy' issue. He's urged lawmakers to craft a measure that, in his words, 'does not compromise our principles' and takes into account Uganda's foreign policy interests. "The Prime Minister of Canada came to see me and what was he talking about? Gays. Prime Minister Gordon Brown came to see me and what was he talking about? Gays," he said.

The bill's author, Ugandan politician David Bahati, has this response to nations threatening to withhold aid if his measure passes. "We would rather stay with our values and you stay with your money," he said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: africanchristians; bho44; bhoafrica; homosexualagenda; obama; uganda
The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.

Sounds kind of restrictive. I think they should remove the HIV clause and the life in prison option.

"We would rather stay with our values and you stay with your money," he said.

I like Uganda more and more every time I read about it.

1 posted on 02/05/2010 6:13:36 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

“The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.”

...”but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are...”

It’s not about identity. It’s about behavior.


2 posted on 02/05/2010 6:18:20 AM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Pan_Yan

I thought the left was all about us keeping our noses out of other countries’ business and not trying to run them...


3 posted on 02/05/2010 6:22:05 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

Obama supports sex with minors.


4 posted on 02/05/2010 6:22:47 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: swain_forkbeard

“The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.”


So, on the flip side, 0bama is saying that he’s OK with HIV positive homosexuals having sex with minors?


5 posted on 02/05/2010 6:23:12 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Pan_Yan
But I thought liberals wanted everyone to respect the cultural difference in each national heritage. So why is Obama attempting to force his views on others? Liberals really need to be consistent with their own claimed views.
6 posted on 02/05/2010 6:23:52 AM PST by highlander_UW (There's a storm coming - little kid at a Mexican gas station in The Terminator)
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To: Pan_Yan
The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.

Why just HIV-positive homosexuals? I'd have no problem with this law if it included anyone who is HIV-positive.

7 posted on 02/05/2010 6:27:32 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Pan_Yan
Obama Condemns Anti-Gay Bill in Uganda

What? how about condemning the anti-American bills in America?!

8 posted on 02/05/2010 6:27:59 AM PST by NativeSon
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To: Pan_Yan

“Sounds kind of restrictive. I think they should remove the HIV clause and the life in prison option.”

Your suggestions sounds like a win/win thing.


9 posted on 02/05/2010 6:48:37 AM PST by Tomato lover (My citicizenship is not of this world)
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To: Pan_Yan
The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.

To be fair, this is not an entirely accurate depiction of the proposed law. The law also calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for "serial offenders," which it defines as "a person who has previous convictions of the offence of homosexuality or related offences."

I have no problem with the death penalty/life imprisonment for HIV-positive people (gay or straight) who have sex with minors. I do have a problem with the death penalty/life imprisonment for "serial" homosexuals. That's just idiotic.

10 posted on 02/05/2010 6:49:38 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Pan_Yan
The Ugandan measure calls for the death penalty or life imprisonment for HIV-positive homosexuals who have sex with minors.

That's better, but there's still room for improvement.

11 posted on 02/05/2010 7:01:18 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: MrB
I thought the left was all about us keeping our noses out of other countries’ business and not trying to run them.

That's the most important observation on this article.

12 posted on 02/05/2010 7:02:50 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Pan_Yan

I think 0bama needs to go to sensitivity training and learn to be tolerant of other cultures.


13 posted on 02/05/2010 7:04:25 AM PST by isom35
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To: swain_forkbeard

The behavior really is the identity.


14 posted on 02/05/2010 7:05:33 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: pnh102

Consider it, then, a good start.


15 posted on 02/05/2010 7:06:25 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: isom35

Yes, just another example of an attempt at cultural hegemony. Obama needs to learn to respect difference.


16 posted on 02/05/2010 7:08:06 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: achilles2000

Basing your identity on where you prefer to rub your jubblies is a pretty sad life.


17 posted on 02/05/2010 7:10:37 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB
I thought the left was all about us keeping our noses out of other countries’ business and not trying to run them...

That only applies when conservatives oppose mass murder.

18 posted on 02/05/2010 7:23:39 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: highlander_UW
Liberals really need to be consistent with their own claimed views.

I think we can agree that the only unifying view of liberalism is a violent hatred of morality, especially if it's Christianity.

19 posted on 02/05/2010 7:26:15 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: isom35
I think 0bama needs to go to sensitivity training and learn to be tolerant of other cultures.

Remember how the left whined about Bush's 'Axis of Evil' speech? Obama only singled out one country for individual abuse in his SOTU, and it was the most Christian country in Africa. It's also the subsaharan country with the highest success rate against AIDS. And they did it while constantly fighting foreign interference.

Coincidence?

20 posted on 02/05/2010 7:31:05 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
If Obama doesn't like Uganda's laws I suggest he move and run for president there.

In Uganda he could play dictator to his hearts content. A skinnier version of Idi Amin with no pesky Congress or Constitution to bother him.

But pretty please, please take Eric Holder with you, okay Barry.

21 posted on 02/05/2010 7:48:25 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Pan_Yan; swain_forkbeard
WHY remove those parts? The law clearly states “who have sex with minors”. You think the language regarding the exposing of MINORS to AIDS, or even having sex with them in the first place as what? Going to far?

This is about sex with minors, ie: pederasts or pedophiles. That is more than just a behavior, it's despicable.

22 posted on 02/05/2010 7:52:31 AM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: gidget7

The problem with the law is that it is not JUST about sex with minors. It penalizes ALL homosexual activity with life imprisonment, and penalizes “serial” homosexuals (that is, anyone who is convicted of homosexual activity more than once) with death.


23 posted on 02/05/2010 8:17:15 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

But is there anything wrong with Uganda, a sovereign nation, passing laws based on their morals and constitution? Obviously it is not something that would not pass here or in Europe, but I don’t think that gives our government any right to criticize them, especially concidering what we put up with from ‘more important’ countries.


24 posted on 02/05/2010 9:12:46 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

And where was his condemnation of the muzzies who buried that poor girl alive for having male friends??!!


25 posted on 02/05/2010 9:19:52 AM PST by Canedawg (Our government has become a travesty.)
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To: Canedawg

It’s all a matter or priorities. Remember, within hours of an abortion doctor being shot the White House issued a statement of condemnation. On a Sunday. When two soldiers were gunned down by a terrorist in Little Rock the White House were silent for a week then issued a vauge statement of sympathy.


26 posted on 02/05/2010 9:23:29 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Uganda is well within their rights as a sovereign nation to pass whatever laws they like. I am well within my rights as a free person to say that they are dead wrong. And, the US government is well within its rights as a sovereign nation to say that Uganda is dead wrong. Sovereignty does not render a nation immune to criticism.


27 posted on 02/05/2010 11:16:53 AM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
...the US government is well within its rights as a sovereign nation to say that Uganda is dead wrong. Sovereignty does not render a nation immune to criticism.

You are right about nations not being immune from criticism. I'm just not sure our current government has the moral authority to criticize anyone, especially in such a singular way.

28 posted on 02/05/2010 3:36:57 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
I like Uganda more and more every time I read about it.

Me, too. Uganda is one of the few truly progressive nations in the world.

29 posted on 02/05/2010 5:06:56 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
It penalizes ALL homosexual activity with life imprisonment, and penalizes “serial” homosexuals (that is, anyone who is convicted of homosexual activity more than once) with death.

Sort of like our nation was doing when it began?

How has legalizing homosexuality made the country better? All it has done is spread disease, depression and early to death to the average participant.

30 posted on 02/05/2010 5:13:50 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: pnh102
I'd have no problem with this law if it included anyone who is HIV-positive.

Exactly. In Africa, nearly all HIV infection is spread by heterosexuals.

31 posted on 02/05/2010 5:16:15 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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