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Tea Partiers Shouldn't Date the GOP
Cato Institute ^ | February 4, 2010 | John Samples

Posted on 02/05/2010 9:50:07 PM PST by dr_who

In recent months, the most influential political party in the country may not be the Republican Party or the Democratic Party, but the Tea Party. This murky, largely leaderless grassroots movement has been the driving force behind the derailment of President Barack Obama's dearest agenda items, notably health care reform and climate change legislation.

What are the goals of this movement? In part, that is the wrong question. The Tea Party effort rejects the notion that a politician or a pundit should define their movement. Rather, citizens themselves will tell us what the movement means.

As their name suggests, these citizens want to revive the ideas at the heart of the American Revolution: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. One chapter in Texas adopted these principles: limited government; fiscal responsibility; personal responsibility and the rule of law.

The quality that gives the Tea Party movement its legitimacy is that it is so fundamentally illegitimate.

Tea Party groups are conducting online polling and deliberations to determine the priorities of the movement. This process will create a "Contract from America" to serve as a template for reforms to come. The most popular ideas now include a flat tax, congressional term limits and abolishing the U.S. Department of Education.

Those ideals and policies sound like what the Republican Party once espoused but have not practiced for at least a decade.

Not surprisingly, establishment conservatives have recently tried to make hay of the Tea Party movement's apparent lack of a recognizable face or national headquarters. Grover Norquist, the Rasputin behind countless conservative organizing activities, has offered tips to Tea Party organizers. Old (and perhaps new again) Republican apparatchiks like Dick Armey and Newt Gingrich have proclaimed their oneness with the Tea Party faithful and essentially offered their services as the movement's leaders. No doubt many Republican leaders would like to direct the energy of the Tea Party against the Obama administration and to receive the votes of these idealists come November.

We pray thee, Tea Partiers: Do not go there.

The quality that gives the Tea Party movement its legitimacy is that it is so fundamentally illegitimate: outside the establishment, bereft of representation on K Street, and without an identifiable face to speak for it on Meet the Press. This is a movement that sprang deep from within the viscera of America, not from some political poll or focus group.

It is not Republican; it is not even conservative. It has no interest in debating the merits of No Child Left Behind, abstinence-only sex education or George W. Bush's rationale for going to Iraq. Replacing a "spend and borrow" Democrat with a "spend and borrow" Republican is not the goal of the Tea Party movement.

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John Samples is director of the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute, a libertarian research group in Washington, D.C., and the author of the forthcoming book The Struggle to Limit Government.

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This movement is simply saying: "We are fine without you, Washington. Now for the love of God, go attend a reception somewhere, and stop making health care and entrepreneurship more expensive than they already are."

Machiavelli once said a republic stays healthy by returning to its first principles from time to time. The Tea Party movement is trying to get our nation back to its first principles to prevent our decline. For their trouble, they have been denounced by many in the media and the Obama administration.

But they will continue to fight. They still believe in the promise of America. That faith may spread as Election Day approaches in the second and perhaps final year of what is supposed to be the Age of Obama.

What began as angry town meetings and grew into a political movement may end as a third political party in 2012. Maybe then Washington will finally listen.


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Well, this article certainly caught my eye anyway.
1 posted on 02/05/2010 9:50:07 PM PST by dr_who
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To: dr_who

This is where all the Republicans are worried that a third party will split the vote, keeping the Dems in power...


2 posted on 02/05/2010 9:51:31 PM PST by gman992
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To: gman992
This is where all the Republicans are worried that a third party will split the vote...

Good. The time to threaten The Stupid Party with a third-party candidate is before the primaries.

3 posted on 02/05/2010 9:53:56 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: dr_who

A Tea Party Caucus would be a good idea. But the first thing is to stop Obama.


4 posted on 02/05/2010 9:54:41 PM PST by screaminsunshine
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To: dr_who

Well, they sure shouldn’t date the Liberaltarion, or any of those other off-beat, guaranteed to lose, fundless, leaderless and ineffective parties!!!


5 posted on 02/05/2010 10:01:38 PM PST by SierraWasp (NO MORE BOLSHEVIK PLOTTERS IN THE WHITEHOUSE!!! NO MORE IN OUR GOVERNMENT!!!)
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To: dr_who

This is why I don’t trust Cato and I don’t trust libertarians. Republicans created the Tea Party movement. Disaffected Republicans. Republicans who are now in the process of seeing we get Rubio and not Chist, who are determined there will be no more Bob Dole or John Mccain nominees for President.

If there are not enough votes, not enough interest for Republicans to elect constitutionalists in the primaries, the third party the OP speaks of is DOA.


6 posted on 02/05/2010 10:05:31 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: Texas Eagle
You were saying ...

Good. The time to threaten The Stupid Party with a third-party candidate is before the primaries.

Yeah, H. Ross Perot did a pretty good job of that, too... and we got Clinton... LOL...

I don't think anyone got any smarter as a result of that... :-)

The Democrats are going to love you -- giving them permanent control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency ... for many elections to come... what a Democrat wet dream come true... LOL...

7 posted on 02/05/2010 10:07:42 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Yeah, H. Ross Perot did a pretty good job of that, too... and we got Clinton... LOL... I don't think anyone got any smarter as a result of that... :-)

1994.

8 posted on 02/05/2010 10:12:13 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Star Traveler
You DeeDee Scozzafava Republicans crack me up. Blindly support anyone with an (R) after his or her name.

YOU are the ones the RATS love. They fear people like me. As do Republicans.

Which is the way it should be.

9 posted on 02/05/2010 10:14:27 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Brugmansian
This is why I don’t trust Cato and I don’t trust libertarians.

I'm with you.

In fact, I don't trust anyone who cowardly flees from the label "social conservative."

10 posted on 02/05/2010 10:16:25 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: dr_who
"What began as angry town meetings and grew into a political movement may end as a third political party in 2012."

No, no, no, and no!

I thought the guys at the Cato Institute were supposed to be the bright bulbs on our side.

Do they really think that we're stupid enough to repeat 1992?

Sheeesh....!

11 posted on 02/05/2010 10:18:45 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Texas Eagle

No one fears you. Obama enablers are 12 year olds trying their best to be adults.


12 posted on 02/05/2010 10:18:59 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol
Obama enablers are 12 year olds trying their best to be adults.

Oh, you wacky Specter Republicans. You are the witty ones.

13 posted on 02/05/2010 10:20:48 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: gman992

too bad. republicans can straighten up if they want my vote. most of the trash in DC is unfit for office..we and the country deserve better..something betther than criminals.


14 posted on 02/05/2010 10:24:42 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Brugmansian

T party members do not have to date the GOP. If they get their names on the primary ballot for committeeman (aka committee captain), they can take over the GOP.

Only ELECTED captains can vote for party leadership. The captains influence the party platform. They get to endorse candidates. The people they endorse often carry their precincts. It only takes 10 signatures to get on the ballot.

There are many open seats where you could run unopposed. Your duties would only take about 3 hours per month.(Plenty of time for your additional activities).

T party Democrats can do the same in their party if they don’t want to join GOP. Independents can pick a party, or convince a conservative friend to run. If your precinct already has a great precinct captain, get to know them, help them, and influence them.

If we do this every year with out let up we will be successful in returning our country to what it should be, and shrinking the bloated federal bureaucracy.


15 posted on 02/05/2010 10:27:43 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Specter is your guy, another Obama enabler


16 posted on 02/05/2010 10:27:59 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: gman992

The Tea Party has created greaater fear with the DemonRATs. Their only way to counter what the Tea Party is doing is to somehow turn it into a third party. This tactic will prove to be wishful thinking. The Tea Party will take over the apparatus of the Republican Party and use it to save this nation from absolute destruction. No need to create a third party. The machine is standing by all ready warmed up.

The Tea Party has successfully appealed to the uncommitted independent who, because of the failure they see with the Obama regime, are very fearful and frustrated. Through the Tea Party Movement, independents are being transformed by the conservative message. Independents are finding out it is all right to stand up for their convictions and give up their get along Charley philosophy. They are finding out that if they do nothing, the government will take it from them.

Rush spoke about this transformation last week. The Tea Party is causing independents to vote Republican. It has brought new life into the Republican Party. And the Republican Party everyone thought was road kill has now been brought back to life. How? The conservative message seemed before to be just empty words that spoke about political theories that did not relate to reality. However, with the events brought forth by the Obama regime, the conservative message has taken on a reality that people can relate to. The Obama regime is the embodiment of everything the conservative message opposes. The Tea Party Movement has provided that incubator in which the conservative message can grow in the minds of new believers. The Republican Party will also be transformed by the insurgents of this revitalized conservatism and, with their energy, become a machine that will transform the political landscape.


17 posted on 02/05/2010 10:29:13 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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To: Texas Eagle
You were saying ...

They fear people like me. As do Republicans.

Ahhh..., there's nothing better than to be a "legend in one's own mind"... LOL...

18 posted on 02/05/2010 10:29:46 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Texas Eagle

That’s working out really good these days, isn’t it... LOL...


19 posted on 02/05/2010 10:31:03 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Brugmansian

I wouldn’t go that far. Libertarians and conservatives are involved in this movement. Disaffected Republicans, Independents and even some Democrat’s. None agree on every position but common ground has been found and as long as the movement sticks to pursing the issues we DO agree on it will grow and become even more powerful. I don’t distrust libertarians involved. I only distrust those on either side that would try to hijack this movement into something it wasn’t intended to be.

Now as to where it would go? the more intriguing idea I heard was that we shouldn’t limit it. Some have suggested third party. Some co-opt the Republican party. I’ve not been hostile to the third party but favored co-opted the GOP. However, the latest idea kicked around in a few circles is to take over both parties. Sponser primary challenges for Democrats and Republicans. I’m leaning towards this idea.


20 posted on 02/05/2010 10:34:30 PM PST by Soul Seeker (?)
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To: Star Traveler
Ahhh..., there's nothing better than to be a "legend in one's own mind"... LOL...

Heh, heh.

Yeah. I'm no threat. I can only bring about a "permanent Democrat control of the House, the Senate and the Presidency ... for many elections to come..."

21 posted on 02/05/2010 10:34:32 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Star Traveler
That’s working out really good these days, isn’t it... LOL...

LOL. Yeah. LOL. Voting for a guy just because he had an "R" after his name sure came back to bite us in the ass. LOL.

22 posted on 02/05/2010 10:37:42 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle
You were saying ...

LOL. Yeah. LOL. Voting for a guy just because he had an "R" after his name sure came back to bite us in the ass. LOL.

You know... the thing that seems to escape the mentality of a certain number of people on this board here... is that if we don't have the "numbers" to vote someone into office -- I don't care how good or pure or conservative he or she is -- we're going to continue to lose, lose and lose -- until the "numbers" of voters are large enough to bring in our own candidates... that's just simple math....

And, unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the mass of the voting public is with conservatives -- by and large... hence, we're losing.

Until conservatives get larger "numbers" of voters in order to win elections... we'll be yapping and whining about it for many elections to come...

23 posted on 02/05/2010 10:53:32 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: dr_who

Sounds like many Ron Paul Libertarians think they have a new wagon to hitch theirs too.


24 posted on 02/05/2010 10:55:54 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Star Traveler
Until conservatives get larger "numbers" of voters in order to win elections... we'll be yapping and whining about it for many elections to come...

Amen, bro.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Feel free to join us Conservative voters. We will welcome you with open arms.

25 posted on 02/05/2010 10:57:24 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

LOL... been posting here for over ten years now... :-)


26 posted on 02/05/2010 10:58:35 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SoCalPol

LOL. Though of you right away!

“John Samples is director of the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute, a libertarian research group in Washington, D.C., and the author of the forthcoming book The Struggle to Limit Government”


27 posted on 02/05/2010 10:59:44 PM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: Soul Seeker
I wouldn’t go that far. Libertarians and conservatives are involved in this movement. Disaffected Republicans, Independents and even some Democrat’s. None agree on every position but common ground has been found . .

Not in my town. Ladies (average age over 70) organized a Tea party in May. Had a good attendance. It was a nonpartisan affair. RTC didn't allow any elected officials to speak. Libertarians crashed it selling stuff and ragging on the GOP. The one libertarian speaker spend 20 minutes trying to convince the Republicans who organized it there was no difference between them and Democrats. He also went on a tirade against Bush and never mentioned Obama. End of tea parties in my town. Those ladies will never organize another one. And the libertarians who were there? Off leeching off what others organize and sowing discord somewhere else I suppose.

28 posted on 02/05/2010 11:03:42 PM PST by Brugmansian
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To: dr_who

Having taken part in the very first wave of Tea Parties there was no talk of it becoming a Third Party nor was there any official sponsorship by any party including the GOP. It was just a group of concerned citizens, 92% of which vote Republican on a regular bases, with the rest Libertarians and Independents, with a few things in common we wanted Washington to here loud and clear.

• Stop the out of control spending

• Stop the massive growth of Government including Obamacare and Cap N Trade

• No new Taxes. You want out of the recession, look at the Reagan Playbook

• National Security should be taken seriously once again. We are still at war

• Secure our Borders. This is wear both parties are failing miserably. We can disagree and debate on what to do with the aliens already here, but we have to seal up the border or soon there will be no going back.

I hope there is no plan in the works to hi-jack the Tea Party and make it a Third Party because doing so will have the same affect as Ross Perot had. We may feel good about how we voted, but we are going to hate the outcome.

I’m for the “Build It And They Will Come” approach. Make our voices loud and clear and you will see more and more moderate Republicans shift right, and that’s what we are seeing now.


29 posted on 02/05/2010 11:08:14 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Star Traveler
Yeah, H. Ross Perot did a pretty good job of that, too... and we got Clinton... LOL...

The difference between now and back when Perot ran is that the Tea Party is the popular party and the republican party is much less influential. So if you're suggesting that the republicans and the tea partiers should vote for the same candidates then it's the republicans that need to get in line with the tea party since they're the minority.

30 posted on 02/05/2010 11:11:09 PM PST by highlander_UW (When you have a clown for president it shouldn't be a shock when his admin is a circus)
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To: Star Traveler

Maybe it’s time for the Republicans to bend toward the Tea Party people or they will let Democrats get elected. Not the other way around. Pretty sure there’s more ‘baggers’ than excited Republicans.


31 posted on 02/05/2010 11:14:22 PM PST by dannyboy72a (The President of the United States should not be selling me insurance or lightbulbs)
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To: onyx

I saw CATO at the top and almost no need
to read further. Same crap


32 posted on 02/05/2010 11:20:49 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: dannyboy72a
You were saying ...

Maybe it’s time for the Republicans to bend toward the Tea Party people or they will let Democrats get elected. Not the other way around. Pretty sure there’s more ‘baggers’ than excited Republicans.

I don't know exactly how it will all turn out for the Tea Party and the GOP, but I do know that politics is real practical in regards to winning elections -- and that eventually things will come together for the "winning" of them -- or else -- conservatives will simply wither and die on the vine...

They're either going to win elections (one way or the other, no matter what it takes) -- or they're finished...

33 posted on 02/05/2010 11:24:34 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: highlander_UW
You were saying ...

The difference between now and back when Perot ran is that the Tea Party is the popular party and the republican party is much less influential. So if you're suggesting that the republicans and the tea partiers should vote for the same candidates then it's the republicans that need to get in line with the tea party since they're the minority.

Being "organized" and structured and having leaders and being able to get masses of your people to all move in one direction at one time for one type of thing -- that's what is going to win elections....

Being chaotic and disorganized and not cohesive, but just dissatisfied and angry and "not going to take it anymore" will not win elections to move a large group of people in a particular direction that they want to go in and succesfully carry them along like that for an extended period of time.

No matter what it takes -- if conservatives want to win elections and have control over this country -- then they are going to have to be cohensive, organized, have leaders that can carry a large group of people through on political goals and keep control of the mechanisms of government and do it long-term.

Until it comes together like that with solid infrastructure and can hold together and get political goals carried out over the long term and control the different facets of the government (from whatever organization this turns out to be) -- whether it's local, state or national -- it's going nowhere... and only the Democrats will benefit.

We'll see how it pans out, in terms of actual political accomplishments and in terms of the control of the infrastructure of out government in this country. That remains to be seen...

34 posted on 02/05/2010 11:31:22 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: onyx; SoCalPol

These people are so indulgent. Honestly, what have these writers done other than talk and pat themselves on the back for philosophizing about their limited-government utopias amidst a misguided generation. They DO nothing. They’ve CHANGED nothing. I mean yes ideas are important, but actions far outweigh words.

Have they ever organized a Tea Party? Have they run for office? Have they become citizen journalists and done undercover investigations for ACORN? Have they run a state? Have they done ANYTHING to show for their ideas?

Nope.

Yet they want to bash and halt the ONLY people that are actually leading and who’ve already MADE a world of difference in shifting the course of our great country: like Palin and the others at the TP convention.


35 posted on 02/05/2010 11:52:25 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege ("When I survey the wondrous cross...")
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To: jonrick46; seekthetruth; wardaddy; Recon Dad; left that other site; Syncro

Extremely well said! Here, here! (pinging a few others)


36 posted on 02/05/2010 11:55:10 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: All

“We pray thee, Tea Partiers: Do not go there.”

.”..yes, come into obscurity with us....come over here with the .09% and we’ll equal a full percent wahoooo”


37 posted on 02/05/2010 11:58:36 PM PST by rbmillerjr (I'm praying for Palin....if not I'll support Romney : He sucks but he's better than Obama.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege; SoCalPol
Sour grapes and a bit of a hissy fit on the part of Samples, the writer.

Just read post #17 to see the gains of the Tea Parties. I enjoyed both of the Tea Parties I attended and they were in two different areas of the country. People were wonderful and very excited. Patriots all. I might add, if any I talked with were democrats, they didn't admit it...lol.

38 posted on 02/06/2010 12:08:35 AM PST by onyx (BE A MONTHLY DONOR - I AM)
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To: Texas Eagle
YOU are the ones the RATS love. They fear people like me. As do Republicans.

Nonsense. You who want to split the Republican Party are the Democrats best hope. In case you missed it, it wsa Republicans who saved the day in 1994, after Perot screwed it up in 1992. So, if you can't recruit comparable number of 'Rats as Republicans, what good are you?

39 posted on 02/06/2010 12:35:05 AM PST by Post Toasties
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To: Texas Eagle
YOU are the ones the RATS love. They fear people like me. As do Republicans.

Nonsense. You who want to split the Republican Party are the Democrats best hope. In case you missed it, it was Republicans, not Libertarians nor Anarchists nor Tea Partiers who saved the day in 1994, after Perot screwed it up in 1992. So, if you can't recruit comparable number of Democrats as well as Republicans, what good are you?

40 posted on 02/06/2010 12:37:43 AM PST by Post Toasties
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To: gman992

Exactly. But The RNC/GOP has drifted away from conservatives. They interfer in primaries and quit listening to the base.

The RATS win if the current GOP stays the course.


41 posted on 02/06/2010 12:42:36 AM PST by rrrod
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To: dr_who

I suspect that the Tea Party is composed of various political groups from anarchist to conservative. The one thing that they have in common is disdain for big government. They believe in minimum government and maximum freedom. Political parties do respond to political movements, such as the Tea Parties, and they adopt those movements. Those running for office in the GOP will be more conservative than in previous elections. They have learned their lesson for now. The GOP knows that they cannot win an election without the Tea Party. There will much pandering to the Tea Party groups.


42 posted on 02/06/2010 1:15:04 AM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex
I suspect that the Tea Party is composed of various political groups from anarchis

I am growing more anarchist by the day. Not left wing whack socialist anarchist but anarcho-capitalist. Been hanging out at Von Mises too much. (:

43 posted on 02/06/2010 1:18:43 AM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: dr_who

The Tea party should marry the GOP and wear the pants in the family.


44 posted on 02/06/2010 1:27:48 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: Star Traveler
Being "organized" and structured and having leaders and being able to get masses of your people to all move in one direction at one time for one type of thing -- that's what is going to win elections....

Agreed.

Being chaotic and disorganized and not cohesive, but just dissatisfied and angry and "not going to take it anymore" will not win elections to move a large group of people in a particular direction that they want to go in and succesfully carry them along like that for an extended period of time.

But being organized, unmotivated and unpopular isn't going to take it either.

No matter what it takes -- if conservatives want to win elections and have control over this country -- then they are going to have to be cohensive, organized, have leaders that can carry a large group of people through on political goals and keep control of the mechanisms of government and do it long-term.

Again, I fully agree with you.

Until it comes together like that with solid infrastructure and can hold together and get political goals carried out over the long term and control the different facets of the government (from whatever organization this turns out to be) -- whether it's local, state or national -- it's going nowhere... and only the Democrats will benefit.

So far passion and people showing up to challenge politicians and showing up to vote has taken NJ, VA and MA, but I'm not advocating for disorganization...just pointing out that things can happen as they currently are, and they should only get better with time.

We'll see how it pans out, in terms of actual political accomplishments and in terms of the control of the infrastructure of out government in this country. That remains to be seen...

Absolutely. It looks like we really are in agreement for the most part. The thought behind my previous post was just that the republicans can't just say shut up and line up behind us because we're the recognized party and if you run off on your own the dems win. Well, most of the same comments can be said about the republicans...and they can't win without the tea party folks.

As I see it, one of the primary targets of the tea party movement is big and ever expanding government and it's attendant programs. The majority of them are of democrat creation...but not all. There are big government types in the republican party as well...and if the republicans choose to keep running that sort they're going to find very tepid support for the tea party folks. In such cases the republican party can try to say vote for our guys anyway or the dems win...well, big government republicans aren't much better than big government democrats. I'm fed up with voting for the lesser of two evils...and if the republicans decide to run one of those "evils" then they can count me out...let the dems have the seat then...and it's the republican party's fault in each and every place that occurs.

45 posted on 02/06/2010 2:56:55 AM PST by highlander_UW (When you have a clown for president it shouldn't be a shock when his admin is a circus)
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To: Texas Eagle
Good. The time to threaten The Stupid Party with a third-party candidate is before the primaries.

Threatening the GOP with a third-party or a third-party candidate is no threat at all to the RINOs who control the GOP. That is how the RINOs, who make up less than ten percent of Republican voters continue to control the GOP, while pretending to be just slightly less communist than the Democrats.

If conservatives want to reform the GOP, conservatives need to stay and work within the party, at the precinct, county, state, and national levels. The RINOs don't want or need conservative participation, until the general election. Then you get your choice of Dem or Dem-Lite. Their mantra has been for years, "what are they going to do -- vote Democrat?"

Third party stupidity is keeping the RINOs in power. RINOs don't care if the Dems win; they are on the same side. They just don't want conservatives to win, or even participate. They want you to toss up your registration, and quit the process. You can't beat them if you quit the party.

The major message of the Tea Party movement is that we can win by participating in the process. The system isn't broken, so much as it is neglected by the people.

46 posted on 02/06/2010 3:18:45 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Brugmansian

My instincts have signalled that Cato is working for the democrats.

Every time they speak I get that same feeling that their agenda is not conservatism but liberalism.


47 posted on 02/06/2010 3:23:54 AM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Texas Eagle

Are you a Paulista?


48 posted on 02/06/2010 3:25:08 AM PST by Carley (Are you better off now than one year ago? HELL NO!!!!!)
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To: Flycatcher
In fact, I don't trust anyone who cowardly flees from the label "social conservative."

I dont trust anyone who wants to control others.

Fiscal conservative? = you bet. Social conservative = what does that mean exactly? Beyond the traditional definition of marriage, what exactly does that constitute?

There seems to be a unquenchable desire for people, who otherwise espouse freedom and liberty, to try and control others.

I look to the libertarians to check that tendency in Republicans.

49 posted on 02/06/2010 3:28:07 AM PST by corkoman
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To: dr_who
It is not Republican; it is not even conservative.

What are you talking about John? The purpose of the tea party is to return to the Constitution! That couldn't be anymore Conservative! I certainly haven't seen any socialists leading the charge.
50 posted on 02/06/2010 4:33:59 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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