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Serving America: Ending don't ask don't tell will draw well-qualified people into military careers
The Columbus Dispatch ^ | Saturday, February 6, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 02/06/2010 10:14:08 AM PST by Comparative Advantage

Tuesday's unequivocal statement by the Pentagon's top two officials that openly gay men and women shouldn't be barred from serving in the nation's military should be the beginning of the end of an outdated policy.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that repealing the Clinton-era "don't ask, don't tell" policy is "the right thing to do" because the policy forces service members to lie about themselves or abandon their careers. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said ending the prohibition is inevitable, because attitudes toward gays have changed among the public and in the military.

Unfortunately, the change likely won't come quickly. Congress must overturn the 17-year-old law, and several Republicans on the Senate committee quickly blasted the idea -- even though some, including Arizona Sen. John McCain, earlier had said they would consider a change if military leaders ever called for it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristian; antifamily; antimilitary; homoagendaalert; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; missingbarfalert; usmilitary
The Dispatch is a very homosexual friendly newspaper.
1 posted on 02/06/2010 10:14:08 AM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: Comparative Advantage
The change will attract psychopathic sexual perverts ~ who want to guard the prisoners eh!

Does anyone recall when the Leftwingtards were meoweling about how shameful it was we had prison guards at Abu Ghraib who were playing homosexual sex games with the prisoners?

It's like they don't remember that.

The real sex problem in the military isn't the absence of gays, it's the existence of perverts who have to be kept out, and keeping them out is going to catch the homosexuals in the same net and they won't even be there.

Wonder what Admiral Mullen does for a hobby?

2 posted on 02/06/2010 10:19:08 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: Comparative Advantage

The military doesn’t generally hire “well-qualified” people. They CREATE well-qualified people out of raw material. Lifting DADT may get them some “well-qualified” doctors and lawyers, but it’s not going to attract gay 18 year olds to wear ugly clothing and be dirty, cold, and tired all the time.


3 posted on 02/06/2010 10:19:12 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: Comparative Advantage

you forgot to put the vomit alert in the title


4 posted on 02/06/2010 10:19:13 AM PST by KMG365
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To: Comparative Advantage

absurd conclusion...


5 posted on 02/06/2010 10:21:47 AM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: Comparative Advantage

“Ending ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will draw well-qualified people into military careers”

Bullroar!

(The goal of all of this is to eventually approve homosexual “marriage”....in all states. And it will COST us in the areas of moral fabric, problems for those in the military, and in our economy. Period!)


6 posted on 02/06/2010 10:22:09 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Comparative Advantage
This has nothing to do with gays wanting to serve in the military and wanting to come out of the closet. This PC crap is being pushed by activists outside the military who want to bring everything down to their degenerate Sodom & Gomorrah level.

Soon, we won't have an army, but a weird collection of trannies and other freaks.


7 posted on 02/06/2010 10:25:43 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SumProVita

“Ending ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will draw well-qualified people into military careers”


Ending DADT will take a lot of well-qualified people out of the military


8 posted on 02/06/2010 10:26:00 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Comparative Advantage

Ending ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will drive well-qualified warrior men away from military careers.

Women don’t belong in the fighting military, and neither do these rumpelstilzchens.


9 posted on 02/06/2010 10:27:46 AM PST by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: muawiyah

Wonder what Admiral Mullen does for a hobby?

LOL, immediately thought of crossdressing.


10 posted on 02/06/2010 10:29:58 AM PST by lookout88 (.combat rescue officer's dad,)
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To: Comparative Advantage

No it won’t. It’ll chase good people AWAY from the military.


11 posted on 02/06/2010 10:31:50 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Comparative Advantage

This is nothing but an attempt to get the federal gov’t to recognize marriage and partnership, through medical and on base housing........they (gays) will use this as precident, to sue in every state for marriage citing the federal gov’t.


12 posted on 02/06/2010 10:32:11 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Comparative Advantage
What these stories fail to mention is that there are already "well qualified" homosexuals in the military. However these homosexuals abide by the Don't Ask - Don't Tell policy, and their fellow members abide by the 'Don't Pursue' policy. Funny how that works though, liberals slam 'Don't ask, Don't tell' yet don't have a problem with the 'Don't pursue' part of the law.

- Traveler

13 posted on 02/06/2010 10:32:23 AM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Venturer
Yes it will. I retire this year, I have have served with several people that either we knew or suspected were gay. The DADT works well. I don't care if you gay, I just really don't want to know about your perverted lifestyle.
I would think an enlisted career would be a pay cut, and a job many of them wouldn't want in the first place.
14 posted on 02/06/2010 10:33:19 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Bullshit.

It will drive well-qualified and morally healthy men and women out of the services.

15 posted on 02/06/2010 10:33:37 AM PST by Gritty (Without virtue, there can be no political liberty - John Adams)
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To: Comparative Advantage

We don’t need to end DODT, we need to end the female soldier thing, IMHO. There was a news story on last night and my wife asked me what I thought about it. My answer was this, “Let’s see, do those two words really go together, ‘pregnant soldier’?” Be serious. TO satisfy that idiot Senator from Colorado, Patsy Shcroeder, we have foisted a daycare requirement and welfare program on our Armed Forces. What a disaster it has been. Of course none of the “perfumed princes” will admit it.


16 posted on 02/06/2010 10:33:40 AM PST by wastoute
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To: Comparative Advantage

shall we allow cross dressers and then give them their own rooms and bathrooms? .

No one is discriminated against, the don’t ask is what homosexuals say they want and that is to keep their sexual perverted lifestyle private.

Gettign rid of don’t ask will not bring anything positive to the military and yet will bring a hell of a lot of problems

we have wars to be fought, we have Iran, N Korea, we have military cuts, we have China becoming a world power where we are not soon and yet Gates and the white hosue think this is important

If anyone is asking why is he dong this then the answer is easy
two fold
the military stands for traditions and morals , that is something the homosexuals hate

secondly Clinton failed like with the health care so obama is trying to prove and say look I passed what Clinton could not

this is all about gong against Clinton , remember when asked why he was doing this and that Clinton failed he replied “because you have me now”


17 posted on 02/06/2010 10:33:50 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Comparative Advantage

not


18 posted on 02/06/2010 10:35:28 AM PST by silverleaf (My Proposed Federal Budget is $29.99)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Ending 'don't ask, don't tell' will draw well-qualified people into military careers

Instead of the poorly qualified straight people who are in the military now? Is that what you mean? Because that is what you implied.

Some people just need to be slapped.

19 posted on 02/06/2010 10:35:34 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I miss the competent fiscal policy and flag waving patriotism of the Carter Administration)
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To: SumProVita

I served and would not serve again if they allowed open homo’s in the military, I do not want to witness homo parties on base, or homo pride parades nor do I want to share a room, shower etc with a homo.

I know guys still in who said they will leave and my two sons have now said they will not join either along with a couple of their friends .

so all they will do is to create problems in the military and will see a decline of good men and women not wanting to join but of course that doesn’t bother obama because he intends to build his million strong civilian security force to match that of the military and to be just as well funded


20 posted on 02/06/2010 10:36:43 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

not one person I know serving and wanting to serve will stay or join if don’t ask gets overturned.

this is an attack on our military while they fight two wars and being defunded on many different fronts


21 posted on 02/06/2010 10:37:43 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Comparative Advantage
The only thing worse than a Senior Drill Instructor in boot camp would be a GAY Senior drill Instructor in boot camp that wants to F#$% you.

At least 8 generations of military service in this family. I will be the last of the line if they allow gay soldiers in the ranks.

22 posted on 02/06/2010 10:40:30 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Something is seriously wrong when the .gov plans to treat citizens worse than they treat terrorists)
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To: wastoute

we were in the Arctic and it was the time when the orders came down to lets see how women will be in the service

we were deployed into minus 70 for a few days living in snowholes
she could not carry her pack, she went on her period, she left a scent for animals to follow, we had to wait a few times for her to be ready or go somewhere for a piss or crap.
we had a couple of guys always trying to get into her panties and want sex where she flirted back knowing they will carry her pack etc.
when we got back to base we were asked off the higher brass how was she and we all said it was a useless experiment.

guess what the top brass ignored us and so they went in.

Homosexuals is all about sex and sexual pleasure, it is sick and no way do I as a vet want this overtured

I’ll say they should not serve anyway but that’s me


23 posted on 02/06/2010 10:42:16 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: DYngbld

After twenty years of service and another eleven in support of the service...I’ve come to agree on DADT. In fact, there could be one or two slight changes and it’d probably satisfy everyone and fix all problems. Note, you have jealous lovers who now run...dump evidence on a guy who kept his mouth shut...and the jealous lover screws over the guy. It would fix this issue if the rule was to discount and throw out jealous lover report unless it involved an actual security violation or such.

The truth is...the less you have guys talking about their normal or irregular sexual practices...the better off you are. It makes no sense for anyone to have to stand there and listen to some guy go into great detail about comparing his lady lover over his current wife.


24 posted on 02/06/2010 10:44:42 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Comparative Advantage; Sans-Culotte
Gay people serve now, have always served, and will continue to serve in the U.S. military. Due to their right to privacy, nobody has to ask and they don't have to tell; due to everybody else's right to privacy, the gays don't make an issue of their sexuality. Private means private. This seems to work well enough.

IMHO, the whole purpose of abolishing don't-ask-don't-tell is opening the door for lawsuits. Lots and lots of lawsuits:

They'll run every one of those items up the flagpole. And they'll sue anyone who doesn't salute.
25 posted on 02/06/2010 10:48:57 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on." William S. Burroughs)
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To: Traveler59
You're correct. I remember back in early 70's of having queers in my unit in Korea & at Ft. Bragg. Actually, it wasn't a big deal; always gave me another angle to raz the blk guys in my company; as both gay guys I knew of were African-Americans, ha ha. I'd forever call the blk guys I worked with the gay guys names, ha, really stir it up. Both were E-5's had re-enlisted so you know everybody was looking the other way even back then.

I think most gay military people are in support units anyway; just a career for them. I don't figure they'd last too long other than in support units though. This is all just political bull, shouldn't even be addressed.

I remember the one queer guy at Bragg, he was ok, didn't cause any problems, professional and all; then he got busted down on Hay Street in Fayetteville dressed like a woman, they tried charging him for prostitution. Ha, he never lived that one down; pretty hilarious actually.

So many more important issues they should be concerned about.

26 posted on 02/06/2010 10:52:58 AM PST by Eska
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To: Centurion2000

same here
my ancestors have always served from what I know the first world war to korea to me and now my two sons will not be joining if this is overturned


27 posted on 02/06/2010 10:54:41 AM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Comparative Advantage

THEY ARE NOT BARRED FROM SERVING, NOW!

The media, the lefitists, the gays/homosexuals & Obama completely misrepresent the debate. Gay Americans are not denied “the right to serve the country they love because of who they are.”

What they are prohibited from doing is flaunting their sexuality. The Pentagon’s policy guidelines on homosexuals in the Military state:

“Sexual orientation will not be a bar to service unless manifested by homosexual conduct. The military will discharge members who engage in homosexual conduct, which is defined as a homosexual act, a statement that the member is homosexual or bisexual, or a marriage or attempted marriage to someone of the same gender.”

It’s open homosexuality that the military prohibits.

It’s not even about that, it’s about benefits and getting sex change operations paid for....lawsuits to be filed against our military...the continued attack from the inside...yes, they are in our Capitol, congress, pentagon, media, army and white house. They lie in wait.


28 posted on 02/06/2010 10:55:02 AM PST by Freddd
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To: manc

You are absolutely correct...as we have many friends who report the same. This would be disastrous for our military ....and for our nation!


29 posted on 02/06/2010 10:57:10 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Bryanw92

It might attract some qualified clothing designers and hairdressers that could improve the military’s image ;-)


30 posted on 02/06/2010 10:58:12 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I can hear the argument now, “It is okay for homos to openly serve in the military, but they can’t get married?”


31 posted on 02/06/2010 11:00:31 AM PST by 999replies (Thune/Rubio 2012)
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To: Comparative Advantage

ADM Mullens’ reputation as a yes man proceeds him. Great- just another reason that I tell young people to join the Corps vice the navy, which I was associated with for 30 years. At least the Corps has the fortitude to say no at this point. The navy is just a social engineering experiment. We have gone away from being war fighters to just placating society in general. I saw the beginnings of this years ago as a midshipman, when skin color dictated the harshness of punishment. As for having homosexuals (gay is not the proper term, there is nothing gay about it) openly serve in the military, this would be the final straw. Sorry, having deviants openly parade aboard ship or next to me in an cockpit (no pun intended) would make me cringe. No it is not homophobia, which technically means I am afraid of queers, it is just that I do not approve of the behavior. If they want to blow pipe, great, but, not in, what used to be, my navy. Heaven help us.


32 posted on 02/06/2010 11:04:09 AM PST by vc79 (Commandments)
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To: achilles2000

I live in a Navy town (but got out of the Navy 20+ years ago) and judging from the drastic uniform changes every few months the Navy is trying, I think the “clothing design corps” is already working at full strength!


33 posted on 02/06/2010 11:04:21 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: Comparative Advantage

They will co**suck their way up the chain of command.


34 posted on 02/06/2010 11:06:05 AM PST by boomop1
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To: manc
Not one person I know serving and wanting to serve will stay or join if don’t ask gets overturned.

this is an attack on our military while they fight two wars and being de-funded on many different fronts

Agreed. As others have correctly noted, this insane policy, if actually implemented, would absolutely destroy the morale of the mostly-heterosexual military, give homosexuals a basis for demanding 'gay marriage' be legalized in every state - or federally - and have a devastating effect on military enlistments (in an all-volunteer military) as well as triggering massive numbers of retirements. Homosexuality is a perversion and simply incompatible with a heterosexual society, which pretty much defines the U.S. military.

Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen are out of touch with reality if they believe that the U.S. military can accommodate openly homosexual men (and women) into the armed services with no disruptions or negative consequences. Homosexuals are infamous for their insatiable sexual appetites and to believe such people can be integrated into a military structure with young, virile men (to whom the word 'gay' is an epithet) borders on sheer delusion.

I'm especially disappointed that Admiral Mullen endorses this troubling policy. I won't speculate on his motives or those of Secretary Gates (an Obama appointee) but I have to assume they're acquiescing to what they claim to believe is a 'changed view' of homosexuality by most Americans but in reality, they're doing a great disservice to the military and, by extension, their country. This is tragic.

35 posted on 02/06/2010 11:06:07 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And, to top it off, they will be in the whole chain of command from the Pentagon on down.


36 posted on 02/06/2010 11:06:50 AM PST by MCF
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To: Jim Scott

The dirty secret is that liberals hate the all-volunteer military, and many would love to bring back a draft. And indeed if having homos discourages people from signing up, there may be no choice but to bring back the draft.


37 posted on 02/06/2010 11:08:23 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Freddd
What they are prohibited from doing is flaunting their sexuality. The Pentagon’s policy guidelines on homosexuals in the Military state:

“Sexual orientation will not be a bar to service unless manifested by homosexual conduct. The military will discharge members who engage in homosexual conduct, which is defined as a homosexual act, a statement that the member is homosexual or bisexual, or a marriage or attempted marriage to someone of the same gender.”

One full blown all out shooting war will clear the military of the flamboyant, in your face screechy poofters. They will either be killed by combat because they are incompetent, fragged, commit suicide or get dishonorable discharges.

38 posted on 02/06/2010 11:09:17 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Comparative Advantage

My guess is that the asshat who wrote the editorial was never in the service.
Yeah, a real morale booster to come strolling into the barracks and catch Billy stroking Bob.


39 posted on 02/06/2010 11:12:06 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Comparative Advantage
This is what happens when the military (or politicians) promotes the types of generals and admirals who are interested in furthering their political careers rather than defending the country. If you took a poll of everyone above Colonel or Captain in the military you would find that greater than 90% of them are absolutely against open homosexuals serving in the military.

But Adm. Mike Mullen doesn't care about this at all. He's a political admiral who wants to finish out his career and get his fat pension. The whole reason he was promoted was because he was political in the same way Wesley Clark and Colin Powell were. Even at the highest ranks of the military you have rotten apples.
40 posted on 02/06/2010 11:17:34 AM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: Comparative Advantage

One other note... It’s been sixty odd years, but maybe it is time for another REVOLT OF THE ADMIRALS. I wish some would take a stand for what is right, instead of kowtowing to liberal mandates. Yet, all I hear is nothing.


41 posted on 02/06/2010 11:39:53 AM PST by vc79 (Commandments)
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To: vc79
Actually, they turn the military into a homosexual basket case and the commies will finally be able to re-instate the draft. The volunteers will disappear quickly. No kin of mine is serving in an authoritarian homosexual organization!
42 posted on 02/06/2010 11:45:13 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Recovering_Democrat

You are correct, this piece argues in static terms that great things will happen as a result of this change. There are many things which would have to be worked out, and it would be a very difficult process. I am glad that I am no longer on active duty so I don’t have to listen to some homosexual Commissar do sensitivity training for hours telling me that my entire belief system is wrong. This is moving from tolerance to acceptance to special treatment.


43 posted on 02/06/2010 11:48:26 AM PST by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: manc

The military is supposed to make a man out of you, not a ‘’girly-man’’ of you.


44 posted on 02/06/2010 11:48:31 AM PST by Waco (Wanna buy an FBI file,,,See Hillary, she's got 900 of them.)
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To: Bryanw92

You make an EXCELLENT point.


45 posted on 02/06/2010 12:40:08 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Note to self: Never post in a thread about religion again.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Everything you say is true. Gays are never content to “live and let live”. Well, some may be, but the activist self-loathing narcissist types aren’t. This will mean the end of the American military as we know it. It will cease to be an effective fighting force. If gays were really only interested in fighting for the USA, they’d STFU and serve.


46 posted on 02/06/2010 8:22:24 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Homosexuals are about 3% of the US population. Changing the policy or not is unlikely to impact the number of homosexuals in the military by significant numbers.
47 posted on 02/07/2010 3:54:41 AM PST by highlander_UW (When you have a clown for president it shouldn't be a shock when his admin is a circus)
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