Skip to comments.Patient dies in hospital after 'do not resuscitate' form is mistakenly put in his files (UK)
Posted on 02/06/2010 4:09:03 PM PST by rdl6989
A patient who suffered a heart attack on a hospital ward died because clerical staff had mistakenly inserted a Do Not Attempt Resuscitation form into his medical notes.
Peter Clarke was not treated by doctors after going into cardiac arrest as a nurse had spotted the form in his files and, even though it was blank and had not been filled in, told other ward staff he should not be revived.
The blunder emerged at an inquest into the incident at Derby Hospitals NHS Trust, where bosses revealed staff had been routinely placing the forms alongside medical records before they had been correctly signed and witnessed by senior doctors.
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So this is how governments run healthcare? No thanks.
Seriously, I feel bad for the person who made the mistake. Everyone goes through so much paperwork to do anything nowadays, it’s easy to miss stuff. When you’re under time pressure, you can’t always review everything as thoroughly as you’d like to..
To be fair only the most extreme of the extreme on the left in the USA have called for a monstrosity such as the UK has. Generally, what the left here wants is single-payer socialized medical insurance, not true socialized medicine.
That’s sweet of you. I feel bad for the person who’s dead, and his family.
And it sounds like putting the form in the patient’s file wasn’t a mistake, but procedure.
So they did not perform life saving aid because an empty form was in his file. Well sheesh, thats a pretty low standard.
It’s really rather frightening to think how easily this happened and could happen to anybody.
I would bet the clerk was just doing what he was told to do. It was the higher up, and you KNOW they are not going to take responsibility.
“Generally, what the left here wants is single-payer socialized medical insurance, not true socialized medicine.”
That is no difference. They seek to nationalize the healthcare industry. The hospitals will still be owned by private individuals (for now) but the owners will have no control.
The govt will determine what healthcare workers get paid, what services can be provided, how many patients a doctor can see, how many surgeries a doctor can perform, whether a hospital can expand, what services they can offer, who receives those services.
One draft I found on the house server indicated a limit of $5,0000 in services per person per year.
Who knows, the form could have been put in the file after the person died as a way of covering up.
Thanks for the ping wagglebee.
I doubt there are many on the left who would stop short of everything socialized — it’s just that they know they have to push their programs in stages
If Obama has his way, this will be coming soon to a hospital near you.
Everywhere I went before my surgery last summer, they all wanted copies of my advance directives. They are scattered all over doctors offices and hospitals in New Hampshire.
There’s lots of things worse than dying.
This happened in England. Good chance the "clerical staff" wore burka's and couldn't read the English on the form.
It’s an insane assumption, since there’s no way the patient could have put the blank form in his own file, and no reason he would. I’m thinking this is not really a mistake, but that DNR is the default assumption at all times, unless there’s a family member present to insist on the patient’s receiving care.
Normally FReepers put a (sarc) at the end of such a statement.
There’s definitely a slippery slope. All the more reason for the Republicans next chance they get to succeed in aggressively enacting cost-reducing, non-socialistic measures to lower the health care burden on all Americans. If they squander another such opportunity, I’m afraid one day we may have a full UK socialistic system over here.
It doesn’t seem like this has anything to do with the government.
You’re very welcome.
And some have been quite open about the foot-in-the-door process you’re talking about.
“Its really rather frightening to think how easily this happened and could happen to anybody.”
Sad, ain’t it? Wouldn’t want to maybe err a little on the side of KEEPING THE GUY ALIVE, eh? Jeez...
Cannot believe there are no mandatory failsafe measures taken during end of life procedures, or lack thereof.
I can’t said it happened in this case but it seems a lot of bad medicine and abusive nursing in the UK is done by foreign nurses and doctors. That have no loyalty or emotional connection to an elderly Englishman or woman.
If an older patient fought in WW2 and got medals for his bravery...What do they care? They can’t relate. A bit like 0bama actually. Some of them just see rich (in their mind) old white people to ignore or somehow get something from
That’s a really decent thing to say. Imagine that hanging over your head for the rest of your life.
Under Obamacare you’ll have a much better chance of surviving if you’re on Death Row than in a government run hospital...
Standard operating procedure in our hospital is to read the instructions on the form, not just see that there is a form in the file, when the patient codes.
If it was blank, someone should have had a clue, and initiated life saving procedures. Our hospital also places one of 3 colored bands around the wrist, which tells them at a glance that all efforts should be made or to consult the chart.
The family is given a brochure that explains the codes. Any exception to the code that they and the patient choose must be noted on the code sheet, and double checked with the family.
When my dad was in the hospital, I stayed there 24 hours a day till he came home. I caught some snafus that could have had a negative effect, but could not always prevent every mistake even though I was very vigilent. There is no way to prevent human error 100%.
They often tried to make me leave in the evenings. One of their biggest excuses was HIPPA(right to privacy). I would just laugh, and tell them that I was very familiar with HIPPA, and had already recorded numerous violations of HIPPA during the day. Also sitting quietly in the corner while people sleep was not on the list of issues that HIPPA addressed.
The hospital needs to have better operating procedures. I feel very sorry for this family. This is an unacceptable error on the part of the hospital.
With ObamaCare, we all get that form inserted into our file.
And don’t worry, it’s signed by Obama, Harry Reid and Pelosi.
So there can be no misunderstanding.
Yeh. I had power of attorney for my dad for the last 5 years of his life. I always gave them a copy of that, and when they asked for copies of his advanced directives,I just said no thanks. I told them that he and I had what ever would be needed, and they should consult me, if he was not able to make his wishes known.
No way was I going to give them some document they could misinterpret to deny him care he needed.
“Seriously, I feel bad for the person who made the mistake. Everyone goes through so much paperwork to do anything nowadays, its easy to miss stuff. When youre under time pressure, you cant always review everything as thoroughly as youd like to..”
It’s never too much trouble to confirm a DNR.
When I was in labor over in the UK (absolute NIGHTMARE, btw)....my baby was going into distress. He had electrodes surgically implanted on his scalp before birth. The mechanism that was recording his heart rate spat out a piece of paper with the reading. The nurse scribbled the wrong name on the ‘tape’. Good thing my hubby and I happened to catch it. Geesh!
Same child was released from hospital after having surgery a year later. He was sent home with the ‘catheter’ in his foot used to administer the medicine to put him to sleep. It took 2 days to get him in with a GP to have it removed. I could go on.......but it makes my blood boil.
Socialized medicine SUCKS.
No one should leave a family memeber alone in a hosptial, ever. Rotate shifts of family to keep vigil. We are entering thrird world healthcare and someone should always be there to care for your loved one.
Call me cynical, but who inherits - and how much?
i wonder how much that is worth on the market.. any lawyers want to speculate.. ?
This is in the UK, people. It won’t happen that way here.
Under Obamacare, you won’t have the option, it’ll all be done for you.
If I go to the hospital, I’m going to make sure there is a big “RESUSSITATE” written on my forehead, and a “RESUSSITATE” order in my file.
I can’t wait until Uncle Barack gets all my medical documents up online!
Stories like these always make me think of Terri, too. I am still appalled by the fact that in the United States of American someone could be starved to death on the basis of a statement her husband (the father of two children by another woman) claims he heard her make.
And even that was after he testified under oath, in a court of law, that he needed to become a nurse to keep his end of an agreement with her, to take care of her for the rest of her natural life, which he expected to be another few decades. As soon as he got the money he claimed he needed to uphold that agreement, he changed his testimony.
My sympathy comes from the kind of things that I review all the time. People just make the dumbest mistakes and people are injured and die from them, but they are mistakes. Some of the things I’ve seen that I know will stay with someone forever just take all the wind out of my sails. When you read peoples statements sometimes you can hear “Oh my God, did I do something wrong?” or “Was it my fault?” and you wonder about the pain they’ll carry for the rest of their lives. Sometimes I have to talk to friends of Family members about it because it bothers me so much, and I’m just the person who’s READING about it.
I feel bad for the deceased and his Family as well but it doesn’t mean that the person who made the mistake is some apathetic monster.
That’s what I tell my friends all the time.
I don’t trust them either. They’re pushing for govt care too, but they call it something else. It’ll all end up the same.
He was 86 and lived in a nursing home.
I’m only a few years younger than he was and I would WANT a DNR.
He’s in a better place now.
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