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Posted on 02/06/2010 10:45:49 PM PST by smoothsailing
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I see my face, framed within
Pop's black-framed glasses
And know he's laughing too.
I was intrigued by old Frank, with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes. The visits to his house always left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, though, as if I were witnessing some complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men, a transaction I couldn't fully understand. The same thing I felt whenever Gramps took me downtown to one of his favorite bars, in Honolulu's red-light district.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EMdQm8Mguw Obama child pics
Is there anyone in Washington DC that can sneak a glass from a table that O vacates so we can have his DNA on file. Then we can sneak or get others supposedly in the family and compare it. I think that this would be worth the trouble.
Wouldn’t it be more beneficial to the conservative cause to spread the word on the things that ObaMAO has done throughout his life, instead of continuing to harp on where he might have been born?
Or pehaps this birth certificate thing really ISN’T about Obama and his communist connections throughout his life; maybe it’s a on-going “distraction”?
The theory is that Pop played around with a black woman, Obama came out of Pop’s need to play. Now doubt, Cashill has some rather complicated theories, but the question that must still be asked is, “WHO IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”?
You are missing the point of the theory- that Pop Dunham indulged in sex at the black bars he frequented while Madeline worked her butt off supporting the entire clan
and Barry was his bastard with a black hooker - raised by the Dunhams as Ann’s son, not her brother.
This still wouldn’t explain why Barry got a rich Saudi sponsor who paid his tuition ot Harvard
One bet- the Russians know the truth and are using it to get what they want from Barry. Possibly the Chinese and the Saudis, too
If the president of the US is spending almost $2 million to keep his birth certificate a secret, there is no greater threat to national security
He is eminently blackmailable by foreign (or domestic) enemies
Of all the “things he has done throughout his life”, building his current “persona” and political career based on a plausibly fictional autobiography, is the most basic one worth investigating
If the constitution is no longer a "conservative" cause, then I may have to rethink the cause.
Stanley Ann Dunham would have literally had to be a nut case to have let herself get pregnant by a black man in that era. If she got pregnant by a black man in 1960, her obvious complete unconcern for the morals and norms of contemporary America would mark her as someone completely outside the mainstream of thought, personality, and culture of the era.
It would also explain much of Barack 0bama's psyche. I'll leave that divination to the reader. I have too much else to do on this Sunday morning. A full psycho-history of Barack 0bama, properly performed by a professional, will be, I suspect, a frightening thing for all who care about America.
That is plausible. I have known several families in my life who foisted an illegitimate child on one of the daughters after the father had an affair and knocked up his secretary or girlfriend. On the other hand I have also know several where the daughter got knocked up and the child was passed off as a sibling
I picked up on this....So pops Dunham frequented black bars picking up prostitutes? m m m m m m m m m...................
To understand why conservative leaders act so strangely about BO’s Certifigate scandal, you need to first understand history.
Did you ever hear the great uproar by the GOP over Clinton pardoning a crack dealer for cash?
Another Pardon, Another Controversy
Hugh Rodham [Hillary’s brother] received a contingency fee in connection with a pardon ... a scheme to distribute 800 pounds of crack cocaine
Imagine if Bush had pardoned a crack dealer for cash. How quiet would the DNC and the Drive-bys have been about it? The RNC is so issues-focused, they are obsessed about giving the DNC cover. Its apparently been that way ever since Joe MacArthy. Conservative leaders have always held their punches. They rationalize away their fear.
Now for the nitty-gritty.
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Excellent Certifigate Summary by Diogenesis [The thread starts off lame, but post 15 is a major link blast on the topic.]
Poll — 58% of Repbulicans question Obama’s Constitutional Qualification
Conventioneers cheer Obama-eligibility challenge
Farah: ‘I say, if it’s been settled show us the birth certificate. Simple’
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“New Coach” Comparison:
Such a question to remain festering is inexcusable in a leader. A team sees some guy walking into the locker room claiming to be their new coach. How much should they trust him? Is it their fault if they wonder?
The coach says, “I was sent here by the other team.” [Annenberg vetting Obama]. Such ‘leadership’.
The Hippies Who “Certified” Obama
[Obama was vetted by Annenberg. Does that ring a bell? Annenberg funded Obama AND unrepentent terrorist, Bill Ayers. Obama and the terrorist had offices near each other thanks to the fox who guarded the vetting henhouse.]
The coach’s assistant hands them a forgery:
ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: FINAL REPORT ON OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGERY ...
Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
PROVEN: Barack Obama Presented Forged Certificate of Live Birth ...
Now we should REALLY trust him, right?
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Obama law tab up to $1.4 million
Obama birth certificate lawsuits - Conservapedia
WHY DOESN’T HE JUST SHOW US HIS FRIGGING BIRTH CERTIFICATE? What kind of goofball would rather spend 1.5 million? Or does he WANT discord in the military? Is this LEADERSHIP?
There are too many snarky “dignity freaks” who are more worried about their image than the truth. They fear ridicule. They calculate. And they will never get along with hardworking conservative muckrakers.
Not knowing it, the sarcastic “Dignity Mossad” is like a coward in the foxhole who stabs his buddy in the back and surrenders. Either that, or he’s a hideous combination of mental laziness and self righteous judgmentality.
Maelstorm: “There is no need for Glenn Beck, Breitbart, or anyone to defend a President who refuses to release his education records, his medical records, and yes he still hasnt released a long form birth certificate.”
Certifigate Link Thread
The Obama Timeline: 1961-2008 [Mens News Daily]
An extremely comprehensive timeline for Obama
Obama’s birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Judge Surrick has some splainin to do
Obama Citizenship Lawsuit Filed in Cincinnati-Now a Total of NINE Lawsuits
[posted by hecht]
Obama citizen question goes to U.S. Supreme Court
Judge Surrick Received the Decision He Issued [Fishy Fax]
[Note Canedawg is looking into this carefully — post 12 and 39]
Berg Lawsuit - Fox News
Obama’s Birth Certificate Judge-Obama Linkage [Is Judge Surrick tainted?]
[posted by Two Kids’ Dad]
Another thing thats bugged me for a while is the time of birth posted on 0bamas COLB. It shows as 7:24 PM and I was able to find a blank COLB on Google that also shows the time as 7:24 PM. What are the friggin odds of that?!? I believe its one in 1440. Id bet my left leg that he wasnt actually born at the exact time. See link:
Obama Birth Certificate Lawsuit Filed In Ohio
Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit
A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obamas lawyers to produce a vault copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.
Dem: Obama’s grandma confirms Kenyan birth
[Berg] has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator’s paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.”
Birth Certificate Legal Fight [Berg]
Due to Procedure, Obama and DNC Admit all Allegations
“According to Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, a party upon whom requests for admissions have been served must respond, within 30 days, or else the matters in the requests will be automatically deemed conclusively admitted for purposes of the pending action.”
WND also ‘ax’ing — Obama ‘admits’ Kenyan birth?
Rush Brings Up Obama’s Birth Certificate (Text)
NRO Examines Birth Certificate
Stop the ACLU researchers examine the birth certificate debate:
[Is Frank Marshall Davis the real father? And why not end this debate by showing the copy from the vault?]
Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
FEC joins call to throw out suit against Obama (Berg’s challenge of BHO’s citizenship)
Originalism and the Natural Born Citizen Clause
Marquis V Reed - WA Sec Of State Wants Proof Of Obama’s US Citizenship
Obama’s Timeline [Bio Chronology]
The Justiciability of Eligibility: May Courts Decide Who Can Be President?
Berg on Mark Davis show [birth certificate]
Obama Birth Certificate Suit Reach Hawaiian Supreme Court
Joining Birth Certificate Lawsuits, ANOTHER motion is filed; this time in Utah
Obama’s birth stirs legal action in Washington
In Depth Youtube on Birth Certificate[six minutes]
[analysis of an anonymous COLB buff: Jr was adopted by Lolo Soetoro when Lolo married his mother, Ann, in 1966. At that time Indonesia was a police state and the only way jr could have gone to school was if he was an Indonesian citizen. Ann and jr followed Lolo to Indonesia in 1967 where he was enrolled in school by his adopted name(Barry Soetoro) and the religion of his step-father. (Islam) There are no records of Barry Soetoro legally changing his name back to Barack (pronounced Bear ick by his real father) if that ever was his name! There is also no record of him going before a judge for naturalization which he would have needed to have done because Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship!]
The Saga of the Missing Birth Certificate carries on...the plot thickens
American Thinker —
This could be the game changer (updated) [10 minute youtube about BO’s birth cert.]
OBAMA BORN IN KENYA?
“I have received information that certified copies of a Kenyan Birth Certificate (BC) for Obama were sent from Kenya, and have been received by three separate individuals. I am told that these documents are certified, with an embossed seal, and display the name of the hospital where Obama was born, as well as witness signatures.”
Berg Response in Oppostion to Obama / DNC protective Order
[Can’t anything about this man be straight forward? Even his birth certificate ...]
DEAD BY ELECTION DAY (from SLATE, not incendiary; what if president-elect cannot serve?)
[Birth Certificate debate]
Ineligibility for the Presidency (Obama’s Birth Certificate)
[Constitutional considerations — well thought out]
Jack Cashill’s brilliant mind wades in on this.
It is getting stranger and stranger here. I will expect the author to be a guest on the George Noory’s Coast to Coast radio show.
From my perspective as a woman, Jack Cashill’s theory makes NO NO NO sense whatsoever!
Why would a free-spirited 17 year old girl ( who is just about ready to enter the exciting world of university life) be willing to take on the responsibility of raising a brother as her own child?
And...Everything we know about Ann paints her as highly impulsive and scattered-brained air head.
And who better to clear things up than Jack Cashill of TWA 800 fame....
Occam cant find his razor.
Also...Why go through an expensive divorce if there was no marriage, and we do know that the divorce happened.
It is amazing the number of posters with “conservative” in their posting name who have soooooo much time for posting on this topic but counsel the rest of us that it is a waste of time to question Obama’s eligibility.
No disconnect there at all! None at all! ( sarc)
I still contend the poem relates an early sexual encounter with an older man. (ie a man who liked little boys)
Considering Obama’s past was scrubbed from the universe, I am surprised that poem survived.
Except for my grandmother and probably yours .... that just isn't true for all others.
But, if the "grandpop" had a baby with a black woman and gave him to Ann to raise (sort of) why would the Kenyan Obamas accept him as a relative? I read that zero took Michelle to Kenya to meet his relatives - I think before they got married. You'd think that BO, SR would have told his Kenyan family if he was just a beard for the real father.
I think he probably was born in Hawaii but it ticks me off that he thinks protecting himself from embarrassment is more important than proving that he's not violating the constitutional requirements to hold the office.
Does this make **SENSE**??? Of course it doesn't!
1) What wife would want her husband's bastard child in their home? I can't even picture it.
2) What mother would foist her husband's bastard child on **her** 17 year old daughter? UNBELIEVALBE!!!! Even the Dunham family is not that dysfunctional and cruel.
3) What fun loving 17 year old would be willing to **DO** that and take on that responsibility for a child that was not her’s???? Huh? And...Ann is reported to be a flighty air head of a teen as well.
Nothing about this theory makes any sense at all.
Also...Although somewhat embarrassing all the characters in this fairytale of a story are **DEAD**. So...
Reason #3: It make no sense whatsoever for Obama to spent soooooo much money hiding his birth records, or to tie up federal court time, or use DOJ taxpayer paid for attorneys even if they were embarrassing. The American people would not hold his being his father's child against him now that he is president. No, he would be painted as a hero who overcame a difficult past.
Mostly I am amazed that the “American Thinker” allowed this to be printed. I usually respect their work.
No doctors, nurses, aides or anyone else has come forward claiming to be at Obama’s birth. Why not? Seems to me that there are bragging rights and the purpose of clearing up nutty stories.
That's another good point.
If he went through all of this trouble for an illegitimate child, it would suggest more than a casual sexual fling. Everything we know about Stan's personality suggests otherwise.
I doubt we even know how dysfunctional was the Dunham family- father cruising the honolulu red light district, taking the child with him to to visit as he drank with a pedophile marxist for a black mentor, teenage daughter posing for nudies and screwing anything of color in college, as BO Sr boasted
yes stanley ann was “fun loving”, lil barry was supposed to be her ticket to go live happily ever after in africa with a bona fide black marxist african and be one of his multiple muslim wives (as her friends remember her telling them)
remember Toot did not take lil’ Barry into her home until he was shipped back from Indonesia at age 10. Can’t figure out who was more fun loving, Toot or Stanley Ann. All the characters are not dead- Barry outlived them all, ignored his mother and grandmother on their death beds, said his grandmothers passing was a “joy”, burned their bodies and threw their ashes into the sea at a tourist pull off spot along the highway. Toot’s final disposal had to wait 2-3 months until he took Christmas vacation
what does “making sense” have to do with anything?
I might note that she wasn't present and therefore has no personal knowledge of the truth of what she was saying.
As for the “legend”, once you call something a legend you pretty much are saying, “hey, I have no idea whether this is true or not.”
And I've never heard anyone among the Obama supporters claim a specific date for the marriage ceremony.
You had excellent points also - for me this is just another theory that doesn’t come close to proving out.
That said - I wonder what it is he doesn’t want us to know? Doesn’t seem like it’s worth 2M in attorney fees (or are We The People paying for this?) if it’s just that they weren’t married when he was born.
I have a cousin who looks like a clone of his mother’s father, I knew the man, he died when I was still a boy. The grandfather had six sons and none of them looked as much like him as his grandson (my cousin) looked.
That would make a great tag line.
That scares me!
Very convoluted. Add to that the possibility that the step-father in Indonesia adopted Barry - and that would have resulted in a name change on the birth certificate - does make ones head spin. And I thought Bill Clinton’s life was complicated.
I don’t think that this is an incest story. Jack is weaving two stories here and that makes the whole article more confusing. One is that Gramps is actually Pops and Barry’s father with the mother being a black prostitute. The other is that Stanley Ann was knocked up by a random black guy in Seattle and the family moved to Hawaii and concocted a story with BHO, Sr. to cover the illegitimacy part of it. It does sort of make my head hurt. I’ve always thought that the birth certificate would be embarrassing but not disqualify Barry.
Out of the murk two things are clear. BO had a presumed father who was an irresponsible drunk and he had a grandfather/father (whom he physically resembles)who also was a drunk and who frequented black bars where black prostitutes hung out.
Someone told me some of the more public talk about Obama’s origin was connected partially to the dems trying to get MCCain declared inelible because he was born in I think it was Panama.
I always thought it would have been good for the anti illegals campaigns if McCain was declared ineligible.
If someone was declared ineligible who was born outside the US because his father was serving our country but if his mother had skipped across the border and given birth illegally to him he would have it would have hit home.
"He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California...."
Ooops. Story just blew up and sank. Now if the story said Indonesia...
What’s to explain?
Listen to the tape. You will never once hear her voice say Obama was born in Kenya. You will hear some guy say it, but then he is immediately corrected by Obama’s family (to include the grandmother) that he is wrong, and that Obama was born in Hawaii, not Kenya.
Thanks for the warning. Just looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth from the first community organizer so-called POTUS before the country is completely ruined.
It makes perfect sense in Ayers' mind.
If it's such a “nutburger” issue why are you wasting your time?
Of course a mixed race child would be much harder to pass off. But if Stanley Dunham had tried to pass off the child as his daughter's child and thus blot her name (as that would have been seen in 1960), common sense would say that Madelyn Dunham would have been consulting a divorce attorney. And assuming that somehow the silver-tongued Stanley talked everyone into going along with this fraud and kept his marriage afloat, then Stanley Ann Dunham takes her father's bastard with her when she marries and moves to Indonesia with her new husband? Does not leave the kid behind with its real father?
Are the 60% of Republicans “nutburgers” too? In some states 50% of the population do not believe Obama was born in the U.S. and/or have questions. In California ( a liberal state) 30% do.
**ALL** of these people are “nutburgers”? Is Medved soooooo much smarter that these “little people”.
What **is** nutty is for Obama not to release his documents. These are documents that I had to present recently just to renew my driver's license! These are documents and other information that many Americans have had to submit throughout their lifetimes.
The “nutburger” is Obama! Americans are NOT stupid. And...The information is now spreading widely throughout the nation, in spite of the media blackout.
Obama is in trouble and he knows it.
As for Medved, the last time I check Yale did not grant degrees in common sense.
HI DOH has released the vital record index for the Dunham-Obama marriage (no date or location included):
I made the mistake of listening to Michael Medved one Friday. I believe he called it conspiracy friday or something along those lines. He was agreeing with callers about all this Marilyn Monroe stuff and UFO / alien abduction stuff and adding all sorts of additional details that he purported to believe. But he stearnly warned that he would accept no calls from anyone who believed that Obama had not proved he was a natural born citizen. He said that those people were the true nut cases.
I felt that it was outragious and realized that for some reason Medved was blatently engaging in Alynsky tactics on behalf of Obama. He lost me as a listener that day. There is nothing unreasonable about any citizen demanding that our Commander in Chief release the documents from his past that would prove that he was eligable and qualified to lead our great nation. It is wrong that any documents are being withheld and immoral that enormous sums of money and the power of the federal government are being used to keep these records sealed.
Per Se Agreement here, too...but perhaps more importantly, grandmoms don't vote for ba$tards, and that would make him a 1 termer. Instead of 'loving daughters helping grandmom pull the lever' it would be 'grandmoms helping loving daughters pull the lever'!!!