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The New Dating Game
The Weekly Standard ^ | February 15, 2010 | CHARLOTTE ALLEN

Posted on 02/07/2010 6:40:44 AM PST by Kaslin

Late last September a college student who called herself Courtney A. posted a story on the feminist website Lemondrop: “I Slept With Tucker Max, the Internet’s Biggest Asshat.”

Courtney, 21, is a student at Penn State University. Tucker Max, 33, six feet tall, extrovertedly good-looking, and usually photographed latched to a girl, a bottle of booze, or a cheeseburger, is an honors graduate (in three years) of the University of Chicago. He has a law degree from Duke University, whose admissions committee was so impressed with his academic record that it awarded him an academic scholarship. Yet his only experience practicing law to date has consisted of getting fired from a $2,400-a-week summer-associate job at a prestigious Silicon Valley firm for, among other things, showing up intoxicated at the orientation meeting and complaining that he couldn’t see anything because he had lost his contacts in a hookup with a girl he had met at a party the night before; informing a female recruiter at the firm that he was “calling a porn line” when she walked into his office unexpectedly; and getting fall-down drunk at a firm retreat and shouting the F-word at a charity auction attended by the partners and their spouses. His email account of the last escapade made its way to laughs around the country.

Max is famous as a blogger (tuckermax.com), and his website is replete with stories like the ones above, all involving graphically rendered bedroom exploits (if your definition of bedroom includes vans, offices, and the great outdoors), massive quantities of alcohol, and copious vomiting. He is the author of several books, including The Definitive Book of Pickup Lines (2001, out of print but selling for close to $200 on Amazon), the 2006 blockbuster I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell, which spent more than 100 weeks on the New York Times bestseller list, and the forthcoming Assholes Finish First. Beer in Hell, a dramatization of some of his website yarns, became an indie movie hit in college towns last fall (playing to less-than-enthusiastic audiences elsewhere).

Max and Courtney got together because upon reading a friend’s text message late one Monday evening announcing that Max would be at a bar near campus after a screening of Beer in Hell, she jumped up, changed her clothes, and rushed off to await the great man’s arrival. At the bar, she worked her way through a knot of female rivals to meet him.

“34C?” Tucker asked.

“32C,” Courtney replied, “but good guess. What, are you trying to touch them or something?”

“Oh, I know I can touch them,” he said. “But I like to guess first.”

At the Hampton Inn where Max was staying, he introduced Courtney to his dog: “Say hello to the new slut.” The next morning, after some sessions of “jackhammering a sidewalk,” as she described his sexual technique (although she did concede that he was a “great kisser”), he handed her $20 for the taxi ride of shame back to her apartment. His last words were, “Call me if you’re ever in L.A.”

Many of the commenters to Courtney’s tell-all expressed “disgust” at Max’s manifestly unchivalrous behavior. In a September op-ed for the Washington Post, feminist Jaclyn Friedman, who inexplicably blamed Max’s perverse success with females (half his fans, perhaps the more enthusiastic half, are female) on abstinence-only sex education, sniffed that she found his “antics revolting,” blasted his “unapologetic misogyny,” and accused him of contributing to a campus atmosphere that allows 150,000 young women to be raped every academic year. (Friedman derived that extraordinarily high figure by counting drunken sexual encounters between students as rape.) Amanda Marcotte, the feminist blogger briefly hired by John Edwards during his presidential campaign, chimed in, accusing Max of a “bone-deep hatred of sexual women”—and also of possible “sexual assault” because he had bragged on his website about sleeping with a drunk girl while a friend hidden in a closet filmed the encounter. In May, feminist picketers so disrupted an appearance by Max at Ohio State University that he needed a police escort to get away.


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1 posted on 02/07/2010 6:40:45 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

And yet women will continue to date him. What is it with women and bad boys?


2 posted on 02/07/2010 6:47:03 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Kaslin

And yet women will continue to date him. What is it with women and bad boys?


3 posted on 02/07/2010 6:47:24 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Sorry about the double post.


4 posted on 02/07/2010 6:47:50 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03
“Say hello to the new slut.”

Very well put.

5 posted on 02/07/2010 6:51:26 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Kaslin

Go to the link to read the entire article ........................ Who has the time, its a small book.


6 posted on 02/07/2010 6:51:28 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Kaslin

“I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell” is one of my favorite books and a guide for my dating life now that I am divorced. Working pretty well so far.


7 posted on 02/07/2010 6:53:22 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Kaslin

He gave up 2400$ a week and I can’t find a f**king job???????????????????


8 posted on 02/07/2010 6:54:17 AM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: SVTCobra03

Because it’s soooo hollywood.


9 posted on 02/07/2010 6:57:10 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

I wish him good luck with ordering that beer in Hell.


10 posted on 02/07/2010 6:58:43 AM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: Kaslin

And American popular culture sinks even lower into the latrine.


11 posted on 02/07/2010 6:59:55 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

Potential Democrat presidential candidate ?


12 posted on 02/07/2010 7:00:35 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Kaslin

Tucker is definitely an example of the worst our sex-driven society has become. However, I have no sympathy for the women like this Courtney babe who come on to him like a hooker would and then are aghast that he really is a jerk, just like he said he was in his books.


13 posted on 02/07/2010 7:00:37 AM PST by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: Kaslin

I couldn’t make it past page 2 - the article was that depressing.

Such miserable people, it’s very sad. And it doesn’t have to be that way.


14 posted on 02/07/2010 7:01:16 AM PST by Babashane
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To: Kaslin
It's mostly the womens’ fault for allowing themselves to act on their irrational attraction to ***holes and getting drunk to dull the pain those same men dish out.

I've never once got on the path to getting anywhere romantically with a woman by treating her as “special”. As soon as you start treating most of them as such, being “friended” is always days or hours away.

I'm a nice guy to nice people. Many women say very successful, intelligent and above average looking. But the fact that I have trouble treating “special” or intelligent women the same as I treat trash gets me nowhere with a woman I actually like as a person.

One of my former coworkers is a successful researcher and body builder(looks like a ripped Calvin Klein model) with degrees from Harvard and Colombia. BUT, he's an EXTREMELY nice guy and can never insult or use a woman. As a result, he hasn't gotten anywhere beyond a first date in at least 5 years. He's in his late 20s and never having a girlfriend always torments him.

Men simply do what works. Women let them

15 posted on 02/07/2010 7:05:42 AM PST by varyouga (2 natural disasters, zerO action. Obama doesn't care about white people!)
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To: Kaslin

OMG! A friend found this guy’s website and he is the biggest jerk!

I have a hard time believing his stories are true.


16 posted on 02/07/2010 7:08:35 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Kaslin

Pictures of this user: http://photobucket.com/images/tucker%20max/


17 posted on 02/07/2010 7:12:35 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: Kaslin
What's most disturbing about this story is that this cad believes he has inherent "power" over these women.

But he doesn't. In a moral society, it is WOMEN who have all the power in male/female relations. It is they who control the dynamic with the word "no."

Oh, wait... did I just assume we live in a moral society?

Nevermind...

18 posted on 02/07/2010 7:14:13 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: SVTCobra03

“And yet women will continue to date him. What is it with women and bad boys?”

Women like this, that go for the bad boys, ARE the problem. Or actually, the sexual revolution, with its birth control, abortion, etc., has encouraged women to exercise the “freedom” to be so careless.


19 posted on 02/07/2010 7:14:15 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (A "tea bagger"? Say it to my face. ><BCC>)
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To: Kaslin

A friend relayed the story of the drunk girl and his friend in the closet. Revolting.

I am a man and I love women, go out with my fair share of them because they are interesting and fun. Just love them.

But, Max is just a disgusting jerk and I am certain we would not be wingmen a the bar and probably not someone I would associate with.

Women are to be respected and who knows, many times you have a new friend even though there is no relationship as a couple.


20 posted on 02/07/2010 7:15:29 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Tzimisce

that was supposedly a few years ago. He felt his personal life was more important than his day job.


21 posted on 02/07/2010 7:16:36 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: varyouga
I've never once got on the path to getting anywhere romantically with a woman by treating her as “special”. As soon as you start treating most of them as such, being “friended” is always days or hours away.

I have,it took 41 years of living to find her but it was worth every minute. Never sacrifice your morals , your manners or yourself.

22 posted on 02/07/2010 7:16:41 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Kaslin

....and on a national scale we have: Bill Clinton....he treated women like crap and yet they over whelmingly voted for him.


23 posted on 02/07/2010 7:19:32 AM PST by STONEWALLS
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To: varyouga

Having observed the ‘dating scene’ for a (very) long time - you’re observation is painfully true. It was true 20 years ago and it is even more true today - if you don’t ‘abuse’ them and it doesn’t have to be physical - you not only ‘lose’ them - more often than not - you’re immediately ‘sidelined’.

Glad, not to be part of that - unfortunate for decent young men today. And, it isn’t only true in the US - the UK provides plenty of evidence of similar cases.


24 posted on 02/07/2010 7:19:36 AM PST by NHResident
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To: Nea Wood

Reminds me of the song from the Gatlin Brothers:

Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?,

Dear Lord, we’d all like to know,

Will they have Mogen David in Heaven?,

If they don’t..., Who the hell wants to go.

It’s a song about people who are lost.

Kinda like putting a bottle to your head and pulling the trigger. It just becomes all consuming and the primacy in your life.


25 posted on 02/07/2010 7:20:51 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: varyouga
Men simply do what works. Women let them.

Too true. Women go on and on and on about the sensitive qualities they want in a man, and then go home with the most obnoxious meathead in the bar. I am so glad I've been married to a good woman for 20 years and no longer have to play those mind games with foolish girls.

26 posted on 02/07/2010 7:22:12 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: varyouga

Just have high energy, be stimulating, be sexy and above all ensure they are having fun and laughing. Sometimes taking them out of their comfort zone doing something scary is fun for them.

Like hiking and then going off trail(you better know what you are doing and can get back but, be confident) Caves are fun too.

Ski/snowboard.

Take them interesting places and be interesting.

bungee jump, sky diving, be creative with getting their hearbeat going. They love it.

Don’t be overly solicitous. Be a man.

Take them to the gun range. They will tell you they hate guns but truth is, they love the power and the boom.


27 posted on 02/07/2010 7:27:23 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Absolutely a candidate for the Democrats. They are busy destroying ALL records for this man, so they can make him into the perfect candidate. I’ll bet this guy can flash a lovely hollywood smile and say “Hope and Change” and probably tilt his chin up in the air!


28 posted on 02/07/2010 7:29:15 AM PST by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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To: Vendome

I’m betting he’s still got a good job somewhere.

From what I’ve seen the title of his book is very fitting: Assholes do come in first....


29 posted on 02/07/2010 7:29:33 AM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: NHResident
See the thing is they think they are in charge. Make sure they know you are and you don't care. Never be a jerk, be a gentleman but “don't care”.

You remove their power and they work harder at being their real selves. Life is more interesting for everyone that way.

Many ladies think “theirs” is gold plated and the only one. Let me assure you, they are in good supply but if the person is a problem personality then it doesn't matter. Unless you both get drunk. then you have to wake up with them.

Just be a little distant with them, cook them breakfast or take them to breakfast. Talk about what a great time you both had, thank them for the special time, but have an air of aloofness.

Then get the heck out of there. No later than 9:00AM. Just be done with it and make whatever excuse you need.

Gotta do something with the guys ie watch a game, AT A BUDDIE HOUSE. Just a bunch of guys, won't be any girls.

or you can say your cat has diarrhea. She will say you don't have a cat and you can be cute saying something like “does it matter? Any excuse will do” “I had a terrific time last night but I do have some things to do today” Never apologize for your exit.

Be done with it. They actually sit around after that wondering if you will call. If you are inclined to see them again, Never, Ever, Ever call them until three days latter.

LOL, hints from your Uncle Vendome.

30 posted on 02/07/2010 7:38:06 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Apology accepted.


31 posted on 02/07/2010 7:39:00 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SVTCobra03

Apology accepted.


32 posted on 02/07/2010 7:39:17 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Tzimisce

He has job where being an Asshole is a requirement.


33 posted on 02/07/2010 7:39:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL. I’m going to use that.


34 posted on 02/07/2010 7:40:06 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Kaslin; Buckhead
Yet his only experience practicing law to date has consisted of getting fired from a $2,400-a-week summer-associate job at a prestigious Silicon Valley firm for, among other things, showing up intoxicated at the orientation meeting and complaining that he couldn’t see anything because he had lost his contacts in a hookup with a girl he had met at a party the night before; informing a female recruiter at the firm that he was “calling a porn line” when she walked into his office unexpectedly; and getting fall-down drunk at a firm retreat and shouting the F-word at a charity auction attended by the partners and their spouses.

Wonder if he billed for all that.

35 posted on 02/07/2010 7:42:47 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

you know he did.


36 posted on 02/07/2010 7:44:30 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Grampa Dave

The guy thinks he is a lot cuter than he actually is. Now Scott from Mass. there is a good looking guy!


37 posted on 02/07/2010 7:45:00 AM PST by Ditter
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To: SVTCobra03
What is it with women and bad boys?

I think it is our perverse culture of death and the sexualization of everything. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver, CO put his finger on it after the Columbine tragedy:

Testimony delivered by Archbishop Charles Chaput on May 4, 1999, before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation

Ladies and Gentlemen:
Good morning. I know our time is limited, and your work is important, so forgive me if I’m very direct.

Exactly one week ago today, I buried the third of four Catholic teen-agers shot to death at Columbine High School. More than a thousand people turned out for each of the funerals. Other pastors, from other churches, did exactly the same for the other eight students and the teacher who were murdered.

They had exactly the same experience. These killings broke the heart of my community. You may not know Littleton — but I do. It’s a good place, with good people. However terrible the Columbine tragedy seemed on TV, it’s another thing altogether to sit privately with parents as they learn that the child they kissed goodbye yesterday won’t be coming home again — ever. For their sake, I’m grateful to be here.

The discussion today is “marketing violence to children.” I’d like to offer just two observations from a pastor’s point of view.

First, as a nation, we’ve lost our common sense, and we urgently need to recover it. The reasonable person understands that what we eat, drink and breathe will make us healthy or sick. In like manner, what we hear and what we see lifts us up — or drags us down. It forms us inside. Pornography degrades women. It also coarsens men. I don’t need to prove that, because we all know it. It’s common sense.

The weekend after the Columbine killings, I saw a film called The Matrix with a friend. The theater was filled with teen-agers. One scene left me completely stunned: The heroes wear trench coats, and in a violent, elegant, slow-motion bloodbath, they cut down about a dozen people with their guns. It occurred to me that Mr. Harris and Mr. Klebold may have seen that film. If so, it certainly didn’t deter them.

My point is this: People of religious faith have been involved in music, art, literature and architecture for thousands of years because we know — from experience — that these things shape the soul. And through the soul, they shape behavior. The roots of violence in our culture are much more complicated than just bad rock lyrics or brutal screenplays. And it’s clear that the Columbine killings were planned well before The Matrix ever opened. But common sense tells us that the violence of our music, our video games, our films and our television has to go somewhere — and it goes straight into the hearts of our children, to bear fruit in ways we can’t imagine . . . until something like Littleton happens.

My second observation is this: Blaming shock-rock performers like Marilyn Manson for the violence in our culture is easy. It’s also, in a way, probably right. But the problem of violence isn’t out there in bad music and bloody films. The real problem is in here, in us, and it won’t be fixed by v-chips. In the last four decades, we’ve created a culture that markets violence in dozens of different ways, seven days a week. It’s part of our social fabric. When we build our advertising campaigns on consumer selfishness and greed, and when money becomes the universal measure of value, how can we be surprised when our sense of community erodes? When we glorify and multiply guns, why are we shocked when kids use them?

When we answer murder with more violence in the death penalty, we put the state’s seal of approval on revenge. When the most dangerous place in the country is a mother’s womb, and the unborn child can have his or her head crushed in an abortion, even in the process of being born . . . the body language of that message is that life isn’t sacred and may not be worth much at all. In fact, certain kinds of killing no longer even count officially as “killing.” Certain kinds of killing we enshrine as rights — and protect by law. When we live this kind of contradiction, why are we surprised at the results?

The Columbine murders will mark my community for years to come. They’re a wound felt by the entire country — but I don’t think they’ll be the last. We live in the most violent century in history. Nothing makes us immune from that violence except a relentless commitment to respect the sanctity of each human life, from womb to natural death The civility and community we’ve built in this country are fragile. We’re losing them. In examining how and why our culture markets violence, I ask you not to stop with the symptoms. Look deeper. The families in Littleton and throughout the country deserve at least that much.

38 posted on 02/07/2010 7:47:29 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Kaslin

What does this have to do with dating, eh?


39 posted on 02/07/2010 7:47:32 AM PST by dr_who
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To: Flycatcher

But, really, has there ever existed a truly moral society ?


40 posted on 02/07/2010 7:58:31 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: SVTCobra03
Sorry about the double post.

Anybody with a screen name (and a car) that cool doesn't have to apologize. ;-)

41 posted on 02/07/2010 8:01:39 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Note to self: Never post in a thread about religion again.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Eww, he’s ugly


42 posted on 02/07/2010 8:02:47 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for Obama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Apparently that doesn’t matter. I am good looking, probably could be the next James Bond, but I cannot get a date. The only positive feedback I get is from 20 year olds, not women in their 20s, but women who are 20 years old and still wear their pj bottoms to the grocery store and wear panties with garfield the cat on them.


43 posted on 02/07/2010 8:12:15 AM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Servant of the Cross
What is it with women and bad boys?

To which you responded: "I think it is our perverse culture of death and the sexualization of everything."

Yes, but it's much simpler than that: CONTRACEPTION. Without widespread contraception none of this would be happening. Period. Finis.

44 posted on 02/07/2010 8:14:59 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Vendome

You are so right about women and guns.I took a lady friend to range once and at first she was luke warm about going. Once there all she wanted to do was shoot. The funny thing is everytime she fired at a Man Target, most shots hit in the groinal area.
Something about women and guns.


45 posted on 02/07/2010 8:21:07 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

Had a lady friend who hated guns but we were at Republican fund raiser(she’s a lefty but like the guy personally)

Anyway, Skeet shooting was on the day’s activities. Showed her how to do it, bead, lead, Blam!

She was hitting 8 of 10 and feeling really confident.

To this day she thinks she is a hot shot. Still hates guns.

Conundrum, huh? LOL


46 posted on 02/07/2010 8:29:40 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Kaslin

It seems pretty pathetic to me that a 33-yr-old MAN revolves his life around trying to relive college glory days, hanging at college bars, unable to keep a job, boozing his brains out and picking up much-younger coeds. Reminds me of Matthew McConaughey’s character in “Dazed and Confused” haha.

Now I can see a college-aged guy doing all this, but not someone in his mid-30s. I’ve never heard of this guy. But I agree with the other posters; for some reason, many ladies love the thrill of the chase and dealing with Mr. Jerk like him. Don’t know why, but it’s true.


47 posted on 02/07/2010 8:32:22 AM PST by AUJenn
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To: Kaslin
If I may shed some historical perspective.... This "book" and mehod of writing and living "large" was done by Hunter Thompson .... Gawd. This guy just copied the cr@p out of "fear and loathing".

please, if you want a good laugh read the first paragraph of "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas". I still laugh about the 300 lb somoan attorney using beer to "facilitate" the tanning process, the ether in the rags on the floorboard and the bats...... Hahahahaha. Still makes me laugh.

48 posted on 02/07/2010 8:36:32 AM PST by erman (Our President-A modest man, who has much to be modest about.)
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To: Nea Wood

“I wish him good luck with ordering that beer in Hell.”

It’s probably Miller Lite or Schlitz.


49 posted on 02/07/2010 8:38:39 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Kaslin

I am sooo glad that after my divorce I had the mid life crisis thing early enough that now I only date nice women.


50 posted on 02/07/2010 8:40:25 AM PST by Rebelbase
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