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Palin stumps for 'good friend' Perry in Cypress
ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | Feb. 7, 2010 | MICHAEL GRACZYK

Posted on 02/07/2010 9:31:35 PM PST by FTJM

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To: FTJM

You’re milking this to the point of absurdity, friend.

If Sarah takes a firm position that I disagree with, I’ll be the first to admit it, but what she stated about a “pathway to citizenship” on the campaign trail as John McCain’s running mate isn’t a statement that I’m willing to hold her to.

Every VP candidate has to bite their tongue and verbally support the Presidential candidate’s positions to the best of their ability without totally compromising their own integrity. That’s got to be a tough assignment, and I think that Sarah handled it as well as could be expected, under the circumstances.

The fact is, this woman is a person of extreme patriotism, who has a love of country that is rare in this day and age. She believes firmly in the Constitution, and in our American traditions. She believes in America with all her heart.

There is no way under the sun, moon, or stars that she would ever betray her sacred allegiance to America, or to the American people.

Back away from the minutiae of your argument for a moment, and take a good hard look at everything Sarah Palin believes in, and stands for. Take a long hard look at the breadth and depth of her entire view of this country, its history, its traditions, and its people.

Take in the whole view, and put your questions and concerns about what she’s said on the campaign trail into perspective, alongside that view of her.

Just honestly do that for a few moments, and I think you may feel better about her.


101 posted on 02/08/2010 12:43:30 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: lmarie373

Palin has stated pretty clearly she is for LEGAL immigration...and that the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

The problem is there has been a tremendous number of illegal immigrants flooding in...and what to do about them. Some believe they all should be returned to their country, I’m for that as well, but with this our immigration laws need some adjustments..it shouldn’t take years and years to become a citizen...and it shouldn’t be easy access either.

I realize there are some illegals here who benefit our country and work hard...all the arguements of why they should have “Ammnesty”...but I can’t agree with how the current gov. wants this to go. People should return to their country and come in then with a new/reformed and better way of becoming a citizen established by our gov. That’s how I see it.

Those who have come here illegally knew so when they did and the risk of having to return if found out. Though I understand the worlds people wanting to come here it needs to be done the right way..according to our laws just as it is in all other countries. I’m also for closing the borders until this mess is straightened out.

I think it’s alot to ask any politician how they stand on this issue more than what Palin has stated..there are too many complicated issues if you give a pat answer without an acctual plan that’s workable. There isn’t one now. There’s much yet to be discussed.


102 posted on 02/08/2010 12:53:11 AM PST by caww
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To: Windflier
Not milking anything. I stated a fact that you clearly aren't willing to accept. She had no problem disagreeing with McCain on ANWR so she would have had no problem disagreeing with him on a path to citizenship. Nice try though.

From your comments, you have no issue with a politician compromising their integrity for political expediency and therefore, you are in no position to recommend a candidate to me or anyone else for that matter. You also appear desperate to excuse her positions with nuance, word games and deflection while blindly worshiping her, no thanks.

Treat her no differently than you would any other GOP candidate and leave the Messiah complex to the Left.

103 posted on 02/08/2010 12:58:55 AM PST by FTJM
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To: roylll

Her business employed three people...now how would one expect she could handle Governing a state?


104 posted on 02/08/2010 12:59:09 AM PST by caww
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To: FTJM

You read the exact same statements that I did. Sarah plainly states that she does not favor illegal immigration, yet you persist in trying to insinuate that she’s saying something sinister.

You want to parse out of her statements something that she does not believe in, and has not advocated.

She agrees with our current immigration laws, which in essence are a “pathway to citizenship”. She does not support giving amnesty to illegals in this country, nor does she support illegal aliens “jumping the line”.

Cling to your dark fantasy if you must. It’s your problem, and you’re welcome to it.


105 posted on 02/08/2010 1:02:05 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: caww

Legal immigration is also a big problem. You can’t have all these people coming for all the govt goodies.

Europe really has a major problem right now because the muslims are taking over, taking full advantage of the welfare state and crime has gone up dramatically.


106 posted on 02/08/2010 1:06:33 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chris Wallace: I can tell you, Ronald Reagan would never have quit.)
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To: Windflier
I AM NOT INSINUATING ANYTHING. She is for a path to citizenship for illegal aliens who are illegally here in this country. No parsing, no nuance.

I wholeheartedly disagree with her position. And your attempts to spin and a massage it aren't working. I'll pass on the blind worship of a candidate, we've seen what that can do. I suggest you do the same.

107 posted on 02/08/2010 1:07:20 AM PST by FTJM
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To: FTJM

...”path to citizenship”...we already have this and many have gone thru this process. Palin is for Legal immigrants, so are most Americans. But not blanket Ammnesty..and that’s what people want her to address. Impossible since there isn’t yet Ammnesty, alot to address and determine a whole lot before anyone can really stand against or for that one way or another... and so there it is.


108 posted on 02/08/2010 1:09:20 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

That made no sense. Conservatives don’t support a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, or amnesty, which a path to citizenship is.


109 posted on 02/08/2010 1:12:57 AM PST by FTJM
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To: ari-freedom

Our laws must be changed on immigration...and I agree we need to be far more particular who we let in...I’m for tightening who we let in. Right now our prisons are chocked full of undesirables legal and illegal.

Just like all other countries I think we need to qualify who can and cannot come in...just because a person wants to come here is not a reason to let them.

Just so you know I am not for the laws we have now..or and especially that they are not enforced. The system is broken.


110 posted on 02/08/2010 1:15:22 AM PST by caww
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To: SoCalPol

“Rand does not hold the same views re GITMO and other areas as Ron.”

he’s still closer to Ron than traditional conservatives. And Ron’s biggest problem isn’t his ACU rating on a checklist of conservative issues. It’s the fact that he’s...well...a nutcase.


111 posted on 02/08/2010 1:21:29 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chris Wallace: I can tell you, Ronald Reagan would never have quit.)
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To: FTJM

But that is my point...illegals want ..quote.” A Path to Citizenship”...WE do have this and have for many years. Just because people change the terminology around calling it Amnesty for Illegals does not change the fact we have laws in place now that allow people to come here legally.

So the problem is really we have illegal people here who want a fast track to citizenship and I say no. Return home and come back as all other who went thru the process we now have in place.


112 posted on 02/08/2010 1:22:03 AM PST by caww
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To: FTJM

But that is my point...illegals want ..quote.” A Path to Citizenship”...WE do have this and have for many years. Just because people change the terminology around calling it Amnesty for Illegals does not change the fact we have laws in place now that allow people to come here legally.

So the problem is really we have illegal people here who want a fast track to citizenship and I say no. Return home and come back as all other who went thru the process we now have in place.


113 posted on 02/08/2010 1:22:26 AM PST by caww
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To: FTJM
I AM NOT INSINUATING ANYTHING.

Yes, you are. And now you're screaming it.

Have it your way, bud. Think what ya like. Believe what ya like.

It may be completely bogus, and a total figment of your imagination, but hey, at least it's all yours. No one can ever take that away from you, ok?

You just keep on being right, bucko.

Good night.

114 posted on 02/08/2010 1:23:58 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

You’re clueless buddy. And don’t be surprised when your Messiah fails you.


115 posted on 02/08/2010 1:25:50 AM PST by FTJM
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To: caww

I’m all for opening up the H-1b visas. We need more of the best and the brightest but not the people who can only make a few bucks and depend on the govt for everything else.


116 posted on 02/08/2010 1:27:13 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chris Wallace: I can tell you, Ronald Reagan would never have quit.)
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To: FTJM
And don’t be surprised when your Messiah fails you.

B-b-but, you're my messiah! Oh noes!!!!!!

117 posted on 02/08/2010 1:37:30 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ari-freedom

These visas and other delicate issues have yet to be fully determined enough for me to support in the face of the Amnesty which is being promoted. Yes, we want good people here..but even they must be working toward becoming a citizen according to the laws currently, not just come here to work and that’s that. They must learn the language and assimulate into our culture just as we are expected to do in others.


118 posted on 02/08/2010 1:40:29 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

“now how would one expect she could handle Governing a state?”

Much better than a carrier politician, it has been my experience that carrier politicians could not hit water if they fell out of a boat

Past behaviour = Best indication of future results

If you want to relect the tyranny that our carrier politicians have given us....good luck with that


119 posted on 02/08/2010 2:24:00 AM PST by roylll
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To: roylll

it’s easier to sound good when all you have are speeches and no record.


120 posted on 02/08/2010 2:39:18 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chris Wallace: I can tell you, Ronald Reagan would never have quit.)
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To: FTJM
Perry may be a crook, but he is a piker compared to the Washington insider crowd that supports Kay Bailey-Hutchison. Do you really think that KBH's endorsers want to help you as a Texas citizen. They are just pissed because Perry is keeping them from getting what they think is their fair share.

Remember, George W Bush supported Arlen Specter and was against his conservative Republican challenger a few years back.

121 posted on 02/08/2010 2:44:46 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: roylll

I wasn’t aware of that roy111. I’ve heard her on several radio interviews of about 20 minutes each and she has only mentioned that she was a nurse.

Her constant playing of the “hispanic” card, however, is enough to put me off of her since it seems she would be very weak on border control of illegal aliens and is doing whatever she can to use her married name to garner hispanic votes.

At least Perry did run Operation Backup, wherein the Texas Rangers were used to support the Border Patrol in trying to stop the illegal entry into Texas. ....Hutchison helped to block completion of the border fence.


122 posted on 02/08/2010 3:22:29 AM PST by octex
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To: FTJM

Sorry, I’m not voting for Perry, not after his last lying campaign. He’s nothing but a poser.


123 posted on 02/08/2010 4:45:33 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: lmarie373

Why would Governor Palin talk of those issues? Is SHE running for anything?

No

Not yet...


124 posted on 02/08/2010 5:49:12 AM PST by Freddd
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To: Grams A

I agree with the small ball stuff. They knock Palin for being “just” the mayor of a small town, but it is a good training ground. Ideas need to be rooted in experience. Baseball skill are best developed in the minors. Ditto politics.


125 posted on 02/08/2010 9:45:03 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: FTJM
Well, what did we do about the aliens who were already in American back in 1921? We didn't ship them back to Europe. After immigration was sharply restricted we started to assimilate the people already here and this was done successfully. The GIs during WWII were simply Americans with a variety of names. So restoring the border ought to be the first priority. The second should be breaking the cultural connection with Mexico and points south. So we have to resist any push toward bilingualism, and all the multiculturalism stuff. Celebrate Cinco de Mayo in the same spirit as we celebrate St. Paddy's Day or Mardi Gras. By all means, keep Spanish a private language as far as possible. Nothing is more divisive, not even religion, as bilingualism. So Spanish should have the same status in Texas as English has in Quebec.
126 posted on 02/08/2010 10:01:23 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: SoCalPol

Dr. Ron comes as more of a crank than Dr. Rand. The old man is a heck of a lot smarter than most pols, but he holds too many unacceptable opinions, and he is not very mellow. The younger Paul is much smoother.


127 posted on 02/08/2010 10:05:41 AM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Windflier

Think whatever you want I dont care if you call me a closet liberal this only reinforces that you are emotionally invested on a politician. You are as bad as a obamabots. You just can stand any criticism of Palin..


128 posted on 02/08/2010 10:10:38 AM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: FreeperFlirt
If you take a aspirin you might save your little weewee brain from exploding but I bet not~~~PALIN/BROWN 2012 you betcha!!!

I guess my little weewee brain uses critical thinking and does not follow every word she utters Im not suppose to question anything she does just go along and agree with her now I see how you work :D

129 posted on 02/08/2010 10:17:58 AM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: Windflier
You use the same talking points as a liberal when they criticize Obama you're a racist blah ,blah,blah..

can you follow up why am I scare of her? ..I not suppose to think for myself? Im suppose to put my trust on her? If I was afraid of her I would agree with her and not question her motives.Anyone daring to question her moves are automatically liberals? Is this how you are supposed to convince people that Palin is ready for the presidency? Control your emotions first,think for yourself then make your case for Palin,you are acting on emotions.<> Im not afraid of Rush I actually think he is a very great guy that fights for this republic I only question Palin's intelligence, I have not seen the Msm, again the same talking points for anyone daring to question Palin.

130 posted on 02/08/2010 10:23:09 AM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: lmarie373
You just can stand any criticism of Palin..

Not true. I supported George Bush too, but when he ran in the wrong direction on an issue, I joined the chorus of those who criticized him.

Where Sarah has earned criticism, it is due. You and other Palin haters on this forum are leveling scurrilous charges at her which are unfounded, and which she has not earned.

What I and others see, is that you and your friends have a hidden agenda in regards to Palin. Despite the fact that you've been given more than enough data (on this thread and others) to satisfy your doubts about her positions, you never acknowledge receipt of that information, you don't query it, nor do you discuss it any way. You also have not answered anyone's questions. You've just steamrollered on, as though no one's said a word.

That's the mark of a TROLL.

131 posted on 02/08/2010 10:33:42 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

What friends?? You are not making yourself look sane when you make this false accusations. I cant believe I cant question her actions or question her motives or decisions that make me a troll. Just because I think for myself do not put my trust or my emotions on ANY politician left or right,I will wear the troll label as a badge of honor. Im not going to back down any RATIONAL criticism of ANYONE when one makes a blunder ;D


132 posted on 02/08/2010 10:40:03 AM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: lmarie373
I not suppose to think for myself? Im suppose to put my trust on her?

No. Not at all. No one is suggesting that you blindly follow anyone.

I suggest that you do what the vast majority of conservatives are doing. Listen carefully to what Sarah Palin is saying, and see if that generally comports with what you believe.

Most conservatives are in strong agreement with most of what Sarah Palin has said, both during the 2008 campaign, and since. Most conservatives are in strong agreement with her actions, as well, both in her public and private life.

She is as well-loved a figure among the right-conservative base as we have ever seen in this country. Her many, many public statements, as well as her track record of accomplishments, mirrors what conservatives believe in.

These are the facts. This is what is real. If you absolutely must disagree with the vast majority of conservatives (and Sarah Palin), then by all means, be my guest.

Just don't be surprised when conservatives here and elsewhere look at you cross-wise, and suspect your motives when you throw dirt on someone whom they revere as a true successor to Ronald Reagan and a patriot of uncommon caliber.

133 posted on 02/08/2010 10:53:32 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I agree what you have said youre right but just dont jump to conclusion and name call anyone right away, Politicians come and hopefully go but I only care about this nation as much as any conservative I just dont put myself in a label since I wont agree with any politician or a political party 100% . :D


134 posted on 02/08/2010 11:01:38 AM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: lmarie373

Steamroller on, Marie. Bark at the moon, if you like.


135 posted on 02/08/2010 11:04:23 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: onyx
That she talks like a typical politician,I know her stance on abortion,some fiscal responsibility, her stand on embryo stem cells but in other issues she is unclearand maybe like someone else stated maybe in time she will give details.

See this is as easy as debating rationally but my problem is that no one can comment anything about her.I dont care about the FNC gig she has. Im talking about why is she putting herself in front of the tea party movement she not relevant in this movement no politician is because this is all walks of life protesting BOTH Parties.She should stay away from this because the MSM will be declaring soon that she is the leader of the Tea party movement leader of the tea adn it will lose any credibility.

In ne speech she is urging for new blood yet she is supporting typical self-serving,corrupt,I could-care-less-what-the people-want politicians like Mccain and Perry.

136 posted on 02/08/2010 11:08:20 AM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: Gene Eric

RUDE is more like it.....Grabbed her by the arm and took over the microphone to cut the press conference short......His jealously was embarassing to watch, and he needed his butt kicked for the way he treated her.....


137 posted on 02/08/2010 1:00:29 PM PST by 3722535r
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To: RobbyS

Yes, Ron is a total loon.

I don’t agree much with Rand but he at least doesn’t want GITMO closed and wants the terrorists tried in a Military
tribunal.


138 posted on 02/08/2010 1:09:17 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: lmarie373

I support Palin and I have no problem accepting criticism that has grounds in truth.

The problem here, as I see it is, on FR, is when people day after day offer the same lies over and over to support their position against Palin. They will not accept the truth even if it is right there in front of their face.

Other times, there is criticism related to personal preferences which is a non issue to me.

Finally, there is just negativity with no grounds or useful purpose. I never can figure out what the point of “she will never get elected” comments. How is that useful? If you don’t like her don’t vote for her. Fine by me.

By the way, my hubby and I don’t see eye to eye on Palin either, but he at least backs up his concerns without lies, or negativity, or nitpicking. He and I just agree that we have different opinions on her. He won’t burn bridges either, if she ends up the conservative choice, he said he will get behind her 100%.


139 posted on 02/08/2010 1:22:41 PM PST by justsaynomore
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To: justsaynomore
I have never lied about her positions I back up my concerns,and my criticism about her.I dont understand how can you accuse me of lying about Palin.I dont agree with her becasue she flips flops a lot on issues like immigration ,one year she supports amnesty then she is against it,but supports candidates like Perry and Mccain that are open borders politicians.

They will not accept the truth even if it is right there in front of their fact

this can also apply to people that support Palin they make her out to be this candidate that cant make a mistake like Obama.

140 posted on 02/08/2010 1:31:20 PM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: Windflier
B-b-but, you're my messiah! Oh noes!!!!!!

Yawn.

141 posted on 02/08/2010 2:12:00 PM PST by FTJM
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To: RobbyS
Well, what did we do about the aliens who were already in American back in 1921? We didn't ship them back to Europe. After immigration was sharply restricted we started to assimilate the people already here and this was done successfully. The GIs during WWII were simply Americans with a variety of names. So restoring the border ought to be the first priority. The second should be breaking the cultural connection with Mexico and points south. So we have to resist any push toward bilingualism, and all the multiculturalism stuff. Celebrate Cinco de Mayo in the same spirit as we celebrate St. Paddy's Day or Mardi Gras. By all means, keep Spanish a private language as far as possible. Nothing is more divisive, not even religion, as bilingualism. So Spanish should have the same status in Texas as English has in Quebec.

Clearly, you support amnesty then.

142 posted on 02/08/2010 2:14:33 PM PST by FTJM
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To: lmarie373
she flips flops a lot on issues like immigration ,one year she supports amnesty then she is against it

Okay, then. I see that is your concern, now can you please back up your opinion by showing me where she has flip-flopped? I would like to see statements she has made to this effect, with links.

she supports amnesty then she is against it

I have never heard any statement she has made where she said she supported amnesty. Can you please show where she said this? Maybe you are referring to the Presidential campaign trail where she supported McCain policies on this issue. I'm not sure what people expected her to do - do you think blasting him on the issue as his running mate would have helped them get elected?

,but supports candidates like Perry and Mccain that are open borders politicians. As for McCain and Perry. For one, she has been clear she does not agree with McCain on many things. She is simply endorsing them, not becoming political soul mates with them. Endorsing does not mean agreeing with. In fact, in this case, endorsing is more of a prid pro quo. As a country we have political "allies" but don't agree with everything they do, right? This is much the same thing.

143 posted on 02/08/2010 2:20:43 PM PST by justsaynomore
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To: lmarie373
this can also apply to people that support Palin they make her out to be this candidate that cant make a mistake like Obama.

There is a great deal of difference in supporting and worshipping someone. I do not think, nor have I ever thought Sarah was perfect. I am sure she has made mistakes personally and politically. She admits to mistakes she's made in her book. However, can I look at her mistakes and still support her? Sure. Why not. There is no perfect candidate. I support her because her values morally, spiritually, politically and fiscally best match my own. NOT because I think she's perfect. The only one I worship, and will EVER worship is God.

144 posted on 02/08/2010 2:37:09 PM PST by justsaynomore
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To: FTJM
Yawn.

Gotcha. I knew you were talking in your sleep.

145 posted on 02/08/2010 2:40:46 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Gotcha. I knew you were talking in your sleep.

Yawn.

146 posted on 02/08/2010 2:43:51 PM PST by FTJM
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To: justsaynomore
I think a lot of Palin controversy goes back to an interview back in Oct. 2008 just before the election..... I'm not sure what she was trying to communicate except that she didn't want to alienate Latino vote as best as I can surmise:

Amnesty

Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?
I don't know, I don't know. That's a good question.

As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?
There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

And the last question would be about politics. You only have two more weeks left...
Yes

What is your strategy? How are you planning to win the latino vote?
I will tell you, I wish that there were more hours in the day so that we can get out there and to more of the communities with such the strong Latino vote that is out there and really tell them that we desire to work for them. We are asking them to hire us and let us work for them.

Thank you so much. It would be impossible to ask you to say a few words in Spanish, right?
Oh my good-well, I don't want to embarrass myself, but … but gracias and I do thank you so much for this opportunity. I appreciate it.

Thank you, muchas gracias, thank you.


147 posted on 02/08/2010 2:50:04 PM PST by deport (TEXAS PRIMARY -- 8 DAYS TO EARLY VOTING.........22 DAYS MARCH 2, PRIMARY)
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To: deport

Thanks for sharing that.

I read it through 3 times and it still doesn’t read like she supported amnesty to me. She said no to amnesty and no to illegal immigration in that statement.

She seems to be for legal immigration. But I am also for legal immigration, with limits on numbers. If a person is against all immigration, I guess her stance would really bother them.

I don’t see amnesty and legal immigration as the same thing at all. Are people using these words interchangeably?


148 posted on 02/08/2010 3:04:12 PM PST by justsaynomore
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im in no way accusing you of worshipping Palin but I feel SOME of her supporters dont like anyone to question her decisions or actions, in their book you are a troll or fear Palin. I do not fear her I fear Obama, I fear uninformed citizens,I fear an upcoming world government etc... I see her as any other politician making speeches to satisfy some conservatives.


149 posted on 02/08/2010 3:17:00 PM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: FTJM
rules...


150 posted on 02/08/2010 3:17:03 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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