Skip to comments.The Education of John Jay - America’s indispensable diplomat (MUST READ AMERICAN HISTORY!)
Posted on 02/08/2010 12:37:57 AM PST by neverdem
Few could fathom why 55-year-old John Jay turned down President Adamss nomination to rejoin the Supreme Court when his two terms as New Yorks governor ended. What would lead him, in the hale prime of life, to retire instead to the plain yellow house hed just built on a hilltop at the remote northern edge of Westchester County, two days ride from Manhattan, where visitors were few and the mail and newspapers came but once a week? After 27 years at the forge of the new nations founding, why would so lavishly talented a man give up his vital role on the world stage for the quiet life of a gentleman farmer?...
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This is a gem, IMHO.
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great article, thank you!!
I’d never known nearly so much about John Jay, beyond the main outline of his achievements and offices
A truly incredible member of our founding fathers
I had not at all realized how crucial a role he played in the treaty negotiations with France and in protecting US interests therin — that is often presented as a Franklin-dominated effort, but this certainly makes it seem that the new USA would have been greatly disadvantaged had Jay not engaged in such subtle and determined negotiations.
Thanks for posting...great read.
One thought which I’ve had many times before, but which this article impresses upon me even more strongly (because Jay is relatively neglected as one of the key “founders”) is that if one takes a list of the key members of that generation, each one individually and most certainly all of them together are greater, wiser, more moral, more admirable than virtually ANY political leaders ever produced in the Muslim world!
Really, where in the entire history of the Islamic world is there even one leader of such admirable qualities and ideas??? Sure one can point to “great” warriors and “great” tyrants in the Islamic world, but where has there ever been a “great” leader for freedom, constitutional government, and citizens’ rights?
Well, of course, those principles and achievements are virtually non-existent in the entire Islamic world, since “Sharia” law and Muslim beliefs, customs, etc are so much at odds with the principles of a free republic.
Thinking about John Jay, George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Ben Franklin et al.... and of course one can continue the list and also argue the relative merits and order of priority for each one..... truly an amazing generation for all of world history.... but Muslims cannot produce even ONE such figure, or else he/she would be quickly put to death!
oops, I would certainly include John Adams in any such list!!!
and, of course, the list can be considerably expanded with those who had at least one major achievement and/or contribution during that era.... John Paul Jones and quite a variety of early military leaders etc.
All American students should be required to take a biography course featuring the patriots of the American Revolution every year. Just reading the Founding Fathers’ quotations is quite illuminating of their thought processes, education and moral values.
What an incredibly impressive man! Thank you for posting this article, it is a real treat.
Even in the ‘70s at what was considered a good suburban public school, the level of education in US history was rather poor. I tried to read and study up a lot more on my own, out of interest and also out of a sense that citizens ought to know a lot more than what was being offered in my high school.
With all the rabid liberalism and political correctness since then, I’d guess that few students learn even what was typical in my high school of that era. Yet, even then it was a rather weak coverage of the founders and the whole revolutionary period.
Thank you for posting. Very interesting reading.
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“With all the rabid liberalism and political correctness since then, Id guess that few students learn even what was typical in my high school of that era. “
This is the biggest danger to our Republic now. How can we have a good government elected by an ill-informed citizenry?
Your post filled in many blanks regarding this matter. Thanks.
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Columbia Ping needed.
Wonderful how so many of our Founding Fathers, Hamilton, Livingston and Jay were students at small King’s College and remained friends throughout their lives.
My high school years were in the 70s, and we only had the basic studies even in what was considered one of the better school systems in Florida. The available biographies were of the most simplistic type in the school library, but they still gave one an idea of the people who started America. That was my self-study, because I was never very good at learning dates.
I’ll ping wehen I get home.
PS. Myron Magnet went to Columbia.
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Nice one! Great find!After 27 years at the forge of the new nation's founding, why would so lavishly talented a man give up his vital role on the world stage for the quiet life of a gentleman farmer?Probably disgusted over the failure of Congress to vote in universal health care and embrace shariah law. ;') Thanks neverdem.
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Wonderful article. Read it though to the end.
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Thanks, neverdem, for the post and ping...lots of terrific material in this.
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Thank you, rm.
Oh! my dr. Mr. Jay, Sally wrote, when all the kids had fevers, shd. you too be unwell & absent from me, & I deprived of the satisfaction & consolation of attending you how wretched I shd. be!
What a Lady, Mrs. Jay.
What a remarkable man. The Founders did not enrich themselves from the public trough or use their fame to build a personal fortune, unlike so many in our time. They wanted nothing more than to give of themselves to build a free, strong and great country. Their highest calling seems to have been to be a citizen of this country.
Thank you !! I downloaded after getting roughly 1/3 way through. Seems we’ll have a few more snow days here in VA to complete the reading.
I grew up on the ‘outer fringes’ of Westchester (not quite so outer when I lived there, of course). The local school was named for local patriot John Jay. Ultimately he came to disfavor among certain of his peers and contemporaries, so not that much has been written about him, so this will be a fun exercise.
I was wondering how these men were educated. It’s wonderful learning about them, but who taught them and how?
I am going to share this. Wonderful article.
It was also not uncommon for the wealthier to send their children to England or France for education.
Federalist/Anti-Federalist ping. Old article, but a great read.
Now a bastion of Marxist thought with free speech blocked. How sad.
Back in their day there were fewer diversions in a life that constantly reminded them of the necessity of doing work. I believe it was Jefferson who wrote that if one did not properly plan and work throughout the year they would eat oatmeal all winter.
I actually do have oatmeal almost every morning! But must thank you for the reminder of our great founding fathers on a morning when I worry about 300 Marines surrounded by the desert but only 15 minutes from daesh. Where are those who are taught principle and honor?
Also, love the author. Was shocked that a journal called “City” would have such an editor, but haven’t researched the magazine (just finished and will eventually subscribe). Will be reading the author’s articles and posting one to it’s own thread.
I think Lew is the Freeper with a Columbia ping list. I don’t know how to find him.
Both Jay and Hamilton have buildings named after them in Columbia’s current location. In their day, Columbia was King’s College and located near Trinity Church in the financial district.
Thank you for sharing. Excellent!