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A stronger alliance
JoongAng Daily ^ | 01/08/2010 | JoongAng Daily

Posted on 02/08/2010 11:12:19 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

United States Secretary of Defense Robert Gates made some provocative remarks at a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee last Wednesday. He said that as the U.S. military is deeply involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, it will not be able to come to South Korea in a timely manner, and that the Navy and Air Force will fill the vacuum left by a delay in committing ground forces in Korea in case of an emergency.

Under “Operations Plan 5027,” a scenario for a war of aggression against North Korea, Washington is committed to dispatching some 690,000 troops to the peninsula within two months after a war breaks out. However, the defense secretary publicly announced that troops will not be deployed as scheduled. He insisted that for the time being the U.S. will be unable to properly handle any emergency situation in the early stages, even if a war breaks out on the Korean Peninsula. Therefore, some of his comments may be considered provocative, given the fact that they may be misleading to North Korea.

The reason why Gates’s remarks received special attention is mainly due to the chaotic situation in the North. Amid an atmosphere in which people have become even more dissatisfied and agitated with the currency reform there, signs of conflict between the army and the Communist Party have also appeared. Some experts say that there may be difficulties with the command and control systems in the seat of power due to Kim Jong-il’s poor health and the succession issue.

Against this backdrop, it seems that the U.S. Army has told the North that they should take advantage of this golden opportunity to invade the South while the U.S. is tied up in the Middle East.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2nddivision; conplan; military; opinion; oplan5027; paulestinians; robertgates; rok; rontards; southkorea; usarmy

1 posted on 02/08/2010 11:12:19 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove
Washington is committed to dispatching some 690,000 troops to the peninsula within two months after a war breaks out

Unbelievable. Korea's civil war should not have been any business of ours in the first place, and definitely shouldn't be now that the South has the means to decimate the Communists should war resume.
2 posted on 02/08/2010 11:16:35 PM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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Where is Washington plan to get 690,000 troops?


3 posted on 02/08/2010 11:16:41 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: Rodebrecht

I have no idea they plan to get that mant troops. Unless they plan a massive draft.


4 posted on 02/08/2010 11:17:55 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Oh yeah, that'd go over real well. Typical of our government, writing checks they can't cash.
5 posted on 02/08/2010 11:20:40 PM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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To: Rodebrecht

It looks like we are stuck with this plan beause the ROK are depending on it.


6 posted on 02/08/2010 11:21:37 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I think to get the 690k troops, they plan to draft the entire house of representatives and staff. That should about do it. Any shortfalls can be made up by including the White House staff in the draft.


7 posted on 02/08/2010 11:26:33 PM PST by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: sonofstrangelove

Exit strategy Bamster? Can you imagine this moron trying to spin this? It would take a dozen teleprompters to cover all of it.


8 posted on 02/08/2010 11:30:27 PM PST by lawnguy (The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil-Cicero)
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To: Rodebrecht

I think we have a duty to the people of South Korea to protect them. The USA signed a mutual defense treaty with ROK in 1953 and we should honor that treaty.

http://kalaniosullivan.com/KunsanAB/3rdBW/MutualDefenseTreaty.html


9 posted on 02/08/2010 11:32:14 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: DariusBane

I think the US should revise the plan.


10 posted on 02/08/2010 11:36:04 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove
A sensible government (does such a thing exist?) would rescind such foolish treaties. Why should we bear the burden for South Korea's defense when they've been gorging on the largess of the liberty we won for them all the while the North has been preparing for business?
11 posted on 02/08/2010 11:44:42 PM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
I think we should come to terms with the real probability of having to use nuclear weapons against Iran and North Korea. Our security and our way of life is being threatened by two nations that can not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. We can't afford all out war with these belligerents. If the world will not unite in their opposition to this threat, the use of nuclear weapons seems like the only remaining solution.
12 posted on 02/08/2010 11:48:20 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: Rodebrecht

I do not think it was a foolish treaty. The treaty(we signed in good faith) has kept the peace for 60 years and tied down North Korea.If we did not have that treaty the Reds would be at Australia’s door. Right now, North Korea is at the brink of collapse. Anyways, South Korea can muster 650,000 troops in a emergency. There are 37,000 US Army troops and there are 57,000 American troops in Japan that can be moved in 24 hours. That is not including the US airpower in Japan and Guam.


13 posted on 02/08/2010 11:53:41 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: RC one

I have not discounted nuclear weapons in Iran and North Korea. In fact, I expect some sort of limited exchange.


14 posted on 02/08/2010 11:55:34 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Therefore, some of his comments may be considered provocative, given the fact that they may be misleading to North Korea.

This somewhat reminds me of GHWB letting Iraq believe he wouldn't stop them if they moved on Kuwait. Interesting.

15 posted on 02/08/2010 11:55:56 PM PST by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

bonk


16 posted on 02/08/2010 11:57:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: RC one

I agree with your statement. If they decide to use nuclear weapons we must respond with equal force.


17 posted on 02/09/2010 12:04:18 AM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("I have learned to use the word "impossible" with the greatest caution."-Dr.Wernher Von Braun)
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To: Rodebrecht

Have you ever even been to Korea? I spent two one year tours there (1978-79 and 1982-83) and I can assure you that the Republic of Korea (aka South Korea) spends a massive amount of money on defense compared to just about any country of comperable size. Every able-bodied male is subject to the draft (unlike here) and their Army, Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force are first rate. In the late 1940’s, a Democratic Truman administration official announced that the Korean peninsula was outside the American sphere of influence, which tempted the Russians and their clients the DPRK (aka North Korea) to invade the poorly armed ROKs. It sounds like the Democrats are revisiting their mistake from six decades ago. Are you by any chance a Ron Paul disciple?


18 posted on 02/09/2010 12:12:53 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well if they spend so much on their defenses then why do they need us to bale them out? And yes I am an adamant isolationist, so don’t try to use it as a slur.


19 posted on 02/09/2010 12:24:01 AM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The threat from N. Korea would be mostly non-conventional and irregular kind.

Their outsized conventional troops are easy picking for S. Korea-U.S. airpower. Their advance will create huge traffic jam on major invasion route. They have to navigate thought densely built cities and towns outside Seoul. Roads are usually flanked by tall high-rise apartments or office buildings. It is the death trap. Their conventional forces are under-trained and malnourished. Units requiring regular trainings are getting almost none. The story is that, many conscript soldiers in armor units are held way beyond their discharge date, because they are the only ones competently operating equipments, while new soldiers had little or no opportunity to learn their skills through training due mainly to fuel shortage. N. Korea's state economy is not functioning. That means no spare parts for equipments and not enough food for soldiers.

However, they have numerous artillery pieces which can lob huge number of shells and rockets at the initial stage. They have biochem weapons, and still quite functional large special forces. They can wreak havoc. Taking the entire city of Seoul in hostage.

My personal opinion is that, if there is a 'second Korean War,' it would be a massive hostage crisis.

20 posted on 02/09/2010 1:02:51 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Your scenario fits my assessment of NK capability (thanks in no small part to your posting history), but I had not considered the hostage scenario. It does fit the MO.


21 posted on 02/09/2010 1:52:23 AM PST by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: Rodebrecht
"Well if they spend so much on their defenses then why do they need us to bale them out?"

Study the history of the Korean War. China and Russia helped North Korea and might do so again, Since then, the North has acquired nuclear weapons, which the South does not have and the North is the most militarized and regimented nation in the world. We have a huge trade back-and-forth with the Republic of Korea (Samsung, Hyundai, Daewoo, etc.)

22 posted on 02/09/2010 9:37:02 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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