Skip to comments.Government Workers Make 45 Percent More Than Private Sector Employees
Posted on 02/09/2010 2:16:13 PM PST by ezfindit
A new report from the Bureaus of Labor Statistics that was released today, shows that almost 15 million Americans are currently out of work and unable to find jobs. Worse still, those with jobs have not seen their wages increase much in the last 10 years. However, government workers are enjoying a boom in hiring and generous salary increases thanks in large part to very cushy pensions and other benefits.
The pay differential between public sector employees and the private sector shows a troubling trend. Government workers have benefited greatly, even during the severe recession, and their wages now outpace the employee compensation in private industry. According to recent research done by Mark J. Perry, professor of finance and economics at the School of Management of the University of Michigan government employees make on average 45% more than private sector employees.
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Our “servants” have become our masters.
Fear not my friends - I’m a government worker with a modest salary. All my private sector friends make a hell of a lot more than me.
Not much longer. I think this summer is going to be particularly hot.
When I mentioned to my wife that I thought her sister was a leech, my wife got upset. That is until I informed her that what my wife did for a living (customer support for a health insurance company) was providing a service to doctors. What I did for a living produced heat in the winter and cooling in the summer. That we both were producers of products or services that people needed.
What her sister does has nothing to do with producing ANYTHING other than our taxes to go up.
Then I had to remind my wife that her sister makes a lot more to do much less than what she does.
My wife didn't say another word...
True story that just happened two hours ago. God's honest truth. I had no idea that this story even existed as we were not home from work yet.
The real problem is not that too much is paid, but too many people are hired to do things that don't benefit the country. The entire regulatory apparatus is part and parcel of that.
You know it.
I am ret. legal support with the County Attys.
Support staff make Far less than in a outside firm.
The Attys make at least $100,000 - $250,000 less than on the outside.
I don't believe you. In Massachusetts, state toll collectors make more than $60,000 a year. Try getting a cashiers job in the private sectore that even comes close to that. It's not the only example.
Before I ret.Civil Service , I worked an ave. of 10 hrs.
a day, working most of the time through my lunch time,
not to mention weekends at times.
Some do. Many don't.
60,000 a year.
In my dept. all Paralegals and legal secretaries have college degrees and make Way less than 60,000. Not even close.
Lots and lots of interesting sights on that job but while he was there several 18 wheelers managed to run down toll booths.
This is a sort of HIGH RISK JOB on the order of hauling dynamite.
My Summer job in a truck engine plant was much more peaceful ~ then there was the Summer at the Drive In Theatre ~ minimum wage, at night, but I got to wield the high pressure steam hose that we used to "clean" the ladies restroom at 2 AM.
I wouldn't work a toll booth for double Union Rates.
I work on ave. 8 hrs. a day but I start at 6 am and work through lunch. I do get a break at 9 am that lasts anywhere from 9:15 to 9:25. I am also expected to work on the weekends. Sometimes 24 hours a day or more. Sometimes I am required to work seven 12 hr days too. I am on my feet all day long, up and down ladders and often with at least 15 to 20 extra pounds of tools, boots or materials on my person.
Wanna trade?! ;^)
The Dept. I was in with over 150 attys.
they All make way less than the outside.
Because it is not a profit making situation, during the 1990s over 19,000 of us in County civil service went
5 years without a raise.
Living in one of the most expensive counties in the U.S.
made it no fun.
I started at 6:30 am to 4:30 pm and went nonstop
Was working on several cases, from homicide to child abuse
and all time sensitive.
I was working while also having over 8 major orthopedic surgeries, neuro surgery and cancer surgery
During the 1970s and 1980s I worked an ave. of 12 hr. a day
*The private sector number would include a whole lot of part-time workers at or near minimum wage at WalMart, Burger King, etc.*
This point is made every time one of these stories gets re-re-re-reposted. No one listens.
*Living in one of the most expensive counties in the U.S.
made it no fun.*
Point 2—most of these jobs are in DC metro, where one needs to make 100K just to pay rent. Many other Feds work in NYC. Still more are stationed in every state capitol or large coastal port cities—all of which are more expensive to live in than Peoria, IL. Again, this point is made all the time; no one listens.
Point 3—a lot of Fed jobs are at the VA, which employs Docs & Nurses & Mental Health Practitioners. These employees are not cheap, of course.
Point 4—your local DMV guys/gals and toll booth collectors are NOT Feds.
Our public “service” employees are like the old USSR where commie party bureaucrats lived like kings while the general public had to share apartments with one or two other families.
I was woried about my son in his new job as a NY state police officer- until he told me he makes $85K
This is almost as much as I get for seniour level computer software engineering of embedded systems controllers
While i have less problem with Police officers making good money, I know many govt lardasses who sit on their butt collecting between $65K and $120K for doing absolutely nothing useful
We had one guy whose job was to print out monthly reports, and take the previous month reports to the shredder and THEN to the incinerator (they were never looked at- because you could pull the information off the intranet now)
We had another guy who was a senior level database administrator- who did not know how to turn on the database.
We had a senior level programmer who spend 6 months to do a program - until I got fed up and wrote it myself in 4 hours- they DID NOT USE mine and let him continue to work on it for 3 more months
When I finally quit in disgust they hired the county executives NEPHEW (cousin Jeffrey from the parks department) who was literally mowing lawns the week before- into the programmers position. I had to show him how to turn on the computer.
Govt. tax dollars at wor. the ocal media would not even touch the story
Yes, that is exactly how they live and behave. They are a priviledged caste unto themselves with superior rights and benefits, supported by our hard work and sweat.
I’m a civil service employee. My counterparts in the private sector doing a similar job makes, on average, 30% more a year. Some of you guys need to get a grip. You don’t get rich working for the government.
Ok, ok, you win! Sheesh!
I hope you are doing better now.
Looks like I don't want to trade after all.... 8^P
How much did you say you made for all of your trouble?
Tell that to the 1,690 TSA workers making over $170,000/year. Give me a break!
There is so much evidence that the public sector is overpaid, it really is no longer debatable.
After two years at the Pentagon, (Linda) Tripp
received favorable job evaluations that helped
boost her salary to $88,000.
She could type 30 words per minute and run a xerox,
$88K is way too much money.
True, but the retirement benefits far exceed private industry with 401K’s taking over versus annuities.
You have proof of that for that ridiculous statement? Most of those guys were contractors making minimum wage or just a bit more when turned into government employees. You're frigging nutz if you think a TSA employee is making that much money when engineers are hired in as GS-9's making $30K a year. Go to usajobs.com and check out some of the job listings and show me what is required to earn a fed position at $170k a year.
One of the problems with gov. workers is that most of them, if not all, are unionized. Their wages can only go up, never down.
Take for example, Air traffic controllers can easily make over 6 figures and retire EARLIER than other fed. workers.
If it’s so bad - why don’t you get a job in the private sector?
From my experience, about 1/2 the people with Government jobs in the UK are useless, whiney drones.
The other half do all the work.
I work in the private sector.
I work every week-end...52 weeks a year.
I work 12 hrs a day.
I am interrupted on avg. 1 out of every 5 lunch breaks...to go check on something or someone.
I didn't do that....
Hope you are well and good!!
I think you can even make a case that it is corrupt.
Hey, each of us had it tough
No problem. We both had it tough
Sister in law = NonValue Added Trash. No offense to her, just her job.
I’m just curious...
How much do government burger flippers make compared to private sector?
How about government gas station attendants, vs private?
Government gardners vs private?
Government chambermaids and hotel workers vs private?
Government coffee barristas vs private?
Government fruit pickers vs private?
Government car wash attendants vs private?
Government dishwashers vs private?
Government waitresses vs private?
Government hotel valets vs private?
Any idea what the pay is for the above job classifications, worker for worker in government vs private?
Your post nails the true problem, while the article nails an easy target.
“I think the University of Michigan study must be working with aggregate numbers. The private sector number would include a whole lot of part-time workers at or near minimum wage at WalMart, Burger King, etc. Since the public sector is generally covered by living wage laws, etc., they can’t help but have a discrepancy.”
They - the private sector workers you mentioned - are also paying taxes to support the government workers, as many of those “temp” jobs are second jobs for working families and while helping them also takes the “family income” into taxable territory.
The fact is why should the average American citizen private sector worker be paying taxes to support levels of government employee benefits that they will never in their lifetime see. They shouldn’t.
Government employee benefits should not be part of collective bargaining. They should be set by law to be - skill for skill - never greater than the median in the private sector.
One reason many government salaries are as high as they are is phony pay scales; which I have seen directly in government job postings, where the tasks and responsibilities to be performed, as well as the skill and experience requirements are totally the same (in other words the job any applicant is being asked to do is exactly the same) but if the applicant has a higher academic degree they will be offered a higher salary - to do exactly the same job that can be done without that higher degree.
That rarely happens in the private sector, where, usually, if a higher degree is a requirement, then it is a requirement. If it is not a requirement for the work to be done then it is not a factor in the salary offered. Not true in lots of government jobs.
He could ask you the same question.
If government pays so highly for doing what you do, why aren’t you applying for that high-paying job?
In fact, for most of the people on this thread. If you are so poorly compensated for what you do, why don’t you go get yourself a cushy, high paying government job. And I don’t want to hear any excuses and self-sacrificing BS about how you would rather starve to death in a private job than become a millionaire in a government job.
BS. If you could give your wife/husband/children a far better lifestyle can guarantee their security, you would be in a government job so fast it would make my head swim.
So then, why aren’t all of you working for the government if it pays so vastly much more than you are currently earning at your present private job?
Out of curiosity sake, please least his salary and your salary for:
1. Starting pay
2. Five years of experience
3. Ten years of experience
4. Twenty years experience
I am not complaining about how much I make. He is. He said he worked for 30% less than his counterparts in the private sector. I’m very happy with what I make in the private sector although I would take their holidays and retirement plan. I wondered, if he was so poorly paid - why did he stay with that job. If I didn’t like what my job paid - I’d be looking for another one.
I did look up the site he mentioned - yes, government workers do seem to get paid more. I am in the ballpark but on the low end of the scale and I work for a high paying company. Most of the people who do what I do wouldn’t even hit the bottom end of the government scale. I see the government pays cleaning staff more than a good secretary or accounting clerk makes in this area.
I looked up federal jobs and the closest ones were at Ft. Leonardwood. There are no federal jobs in my field in this area so it’s not a possibility for me anyway.
Yes, it was a fair question - as I believe mine was.
Apparently janitors working for the government make $11-$15 an hour. Before the minimum wage was raised - hotel maids were making $6.75 - I think the jobs are equitable.
Chop the size of government, Federal and state, significantly and see what supply and demand do to those rents.
You’re on the wrong coast. The wealth within a hundred-mile radius of DC is obscene, as are the swanky cars on the beltways at rush-hour.
More divide and conquer!
In good times the private sector leaves the public sector in the dust!
Now we have obama!!!