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Government Workers Make 45 Percent More Than Private Sector Employees
CDS ^ | 2/9/2010 | Chris Banescu

Posted on 02/09/2010 2:16:13 PM PST by ezfindit

A new report from the Bureaus of Labor Statistics that was released today, shows that almost 15 million Americans are currently out of work and unable to find jobs. Worse still, those with jobs have not seen their wages increase much in the last 10 years. However, government workers are enjoying a boom in hiring and generous salary increases thanks in large part to very cushy pensions and other benefits.

The pay differential between public sector employees and the private sector shows a troubling trend. Government workers have benefited greatly, even during the severe recession, and their wages now outpace the employee compensation in private industry. According to recent research done by Mark J. Perry, professor of finance and economics at the School of Management of the University of Michigan government employees make on average 45% more than private sector employees.

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This is beyond sickening. How much longer America will you tolerate such inequitable and unfair policies.
1 posted on 02/09/2010 2:16:13 PM PST by ezfindit
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To: ezfindit

Our “servants” have become our masters.


2 posted on 02/09/2010 2:17:08 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: ezfindit

conservativedatingsite.com?? lol


3 posted on 02/09/2010 2:17:36 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: ezfindit

Fear not my friends - I’m a government worker with a modest salary. All my private sector friends make a hell of a lot more than me.


4 posted on 02/09/2010 2:19:04 PM PST by lesko
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To: ezfindit
I think the University of Michigan study must be working with aggregate numbers. The private sector number would include a whole lot of part-time workers at or near minimum wage at WalMart, Burger King, etc. Since the public sector is generally covered by “living wage” laws, etc., they can't help but have a discrepancy.
5 posted on 02/09/2010 2:21:32 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ezfindit

Not much longer. I think this summer is going to be particularly hot.


6 posted on 02/09/2010 2:21:58 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: ezfindit
My sister-in-law is a federal leech, um I mean employee.

When I mentioned to my wife that I thought her sister was a leech, my wife got upset. That is until I informed her that what my wife did for a living (customer support for a health insurance company) was providing a service to doctors. What I did for a living produced heat in the winter and cooling in the summer. That we both were producers of products or services that people needed.

What her sister does has nothing to do with producing ANYTHING other than our taxes to go up.

Then I had to remind my wife that her sister makes a lot more to do much less than what she does.

My wife didn't say another word...

True story that just happened two hours ago. God's honest truth. I had no idea that this story even existed as we were not home from work yet.

7 posted on 02/09/2010 2:23:49 PM PST by bayliving (1 if by land, 2 if by sea and 3 if by our own government.)
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To: GeronL
While this is explosive, it is utter and complete nonsense. Of course average pay scales of government workers are higher than average private sector for a number of reasons. The government does not, except in the armed services, hire folks to do menial labor. That is contracted out. Job for job, government salaries do not enrich anyone. Indeed, we use a temp firm that also provides a lot of contract secretarial and executive assistance support to the federal government simply because government salaries for office staff are insufficient to attract the most competent staff and many of these positions are therefore contracted out.

The real problem is not that too much is paid, but too many people are hired to do things that don't benefit the country. The entire regulatory apparatus is part and parcel of that.

8 posted on 02/09/2010 2:25:49 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: lesko

You know it.
I am ret. legal support with the County Attys.
Support staff make Far less than in a outside firm.

The Attys make at least $100,000 - $250,000 less than on the outside.


9 posted on 02/09/2010 2:25:56 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I think the University of Michigan study must be working with aggregate numbers. The private sector number would include a whole lot of part-time workers at or near minimum wage at WalMart, Burger King, etc. Since the public sector is generally covered by “living wage” laws, etc., they can't help but have a discrepancy

I don't believe you. In Massachusetts, state toll collectors make more than $60,000 a year. Try getting a cashiers job in the private sectore that even comes close to that. It's not the only example.

10 posted on 02/09/2010 2:28:52 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: bayliving

Before I ret.Civil Service , I worked an ave. of 10 hrs.
a day, working most of the time through my lunch time,
not to mention weekends at times.


11 posted on 02/09/2010 2:29:49 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol
The Attys make at least $100,000 - $250,000 less than on the outside.

Some do. Many don't.

12 posted on 02/09/2010 2:30:10 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

60,000 a year.

In my dept. all Paralegals and legal secretaries have college degrees and make Way less than 60,000. Not even close.


13 posted on 02/09/2010 2:34:28 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Hmm, toll collectors. Buddy of mine in college used to work that job during Summer.

Lots and lots of interesting sights on that job but while he was there several 18 wheelers managed to run down toll booths.

This is a sort of HIGH RISK JOB on the order of hauling dynamite.

My Summer job in a truck engine plant was much more peaceful ~ then there was the Summer at the Drive In Theatre ~ minimum wage, at night, but I got to wield the high pressure steam hose that we used to "clean" the ladies restroom at 2 AM.

I wouldn't work a toll booth for double Union Rates.

14 posted on 02/09/2010 2:37:59 PM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: SoCalPol
Before I ret.Civil Service , I worked an ave. of 10 hrs. a day, working most of the time through my lunch time, not to mention weekends at times.

I work on ave. 8 hrs. a day but I start at 6 am and work through lunch. I do get a break at 9 am that lasts anywhere from 9:15 to 9:25. I am also expected to work on the weekends. Sometimes 24 hours a day or more. Sometimes I am required to work seven 12 hr days too. I am on my feet all day long, up and down ladders and often with at least 15 to 20 extra pounds of tools, boots or materials on my person.

Wanna trade?! ;^)

15 posted on 02/09/2010 2:39:55 PM PST by bayliving (1 if by land, 2 if by sea and 3 if by our own government.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

The Dept. I was in with over 150 attys.
they All make way less than the outside.

Because it is not a profit making situation, during the 1990s over 19,000 of us in County civil service went
5 years without a raise.

Living in one of the most expensive counties in the U.S.
made it no fun.


16 posted on 02/09/2010 2:41:50 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: bayliving

I started at 6:30 am to 4:30 pm and went nonstop
Was working on several cases, from homicide to child abuse
and all time sensitive.

I was working while also having over 8 major orthopedic surgeries, neuro surgery and cancer surgery

During the 1970s and 1980s I worked an ave. of 12 hr. a day


17 posted on 02/09/2010 2:48:47 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: SoCalPol

*The private sector number would include a whole lot of part-time workers at or near minimum wage at WalMart, Burger King, etc.*

This point is made every time one of these stories gets re-re-re-reposted. No one listens.

*Living in one of the most expensive counties in the U.S.
made it no fun.*

Point 2—most of these jobs are in DC metro, where one needs to make 100K just to pay rent. Many other Feds work in NYC. Still more are stationed in every state capitol or large coastal port cities—all of which are more expensive to live in than Peoria, IL. Again, this point is made all the time; no one listens.

Point 3—a lot of Fed jobs are at the VA, which employs Docs & Nurses & Mental Health Practitioners. These employees are not cheap, of course.

Point 4—your local DMV guys/gals and toll booth collectors are NOT Feds.


18 posted on 02/09/2010 2:49:31 PM PST by j-damn
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To: GeronL

Our public “service” employees are like the old USSR where commie party bureaucrats lived like kings while the general public had to share apartments with one or two other families.


19 posted on 02/09/2010 2:51:25 PM PST by lone star annie
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To: ezfindit

I was woried about my son in his new job as a NY state police officer- until he told me he makes $85K

This is almost as much as I get for seniour level computer software engineering of embedded systems controllers

While i have less problem with Police officers making good money, I know many govt lardasses who sit on their butt collecting between $65K and $120K for doing absolutely nothing useful

We had one guy whose job was to print out monthly reports, and take the previous month reports to the shredder and THEN to the incinerator (they were never looked at- because you could pull the information off the intranet now)

We had another guy who was a senior level database administrator- who did not know how to turn on the database.

We had a senior level programmer who spend 6 months to do a program - until I got fed up and wrote it myself in 4 hours- they DID NOT USE mine and let him continue to work on it for 3 more months

When I finally quit in disgust they hired the county executives NEPHEW (cousin Jeffrey from the parks department) who was literally mowing lawns the week before- into the programmers position. I had to show him how to turn on the computer.

Govt. tax dollars at wor. the ocal media would not even touch the story


20 posted on 02/09/2010 2:52:19 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!)
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To: lone star annie
Our public “service” employees are like the old USSR where commie party bureaucrats lived like kings while the general public had to share apartments with one or two other families.

Yes, that is exactly how they live and behave. They are a priviledged caste unto themselves with superior rights and benefits, supported by our hard work and sweat.

21 posted on 02/09/2010 2:53:15 PM PST by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: ezfindit

I’m a civil service employee. My counterparts in the private sector doing a similar job makes, on average, 30% more a year. Some of you guys need to get a grip. You don’t get rich working for the government.


22 posted on 02/09/2010 2:56:48 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: SoCalPol
I was working while also having over 8 major orthopedic surgeries, neuro surgery and cancer surgery

Ok, ok, you win! Sheesh!

I hope you are doing better now.

Looks like I don't want to trade after all.... 8^P

How much did you say you made for all of your trouble?

23 posted on 02/09/2010 3:02:27 PM PST by bayliving (1 if by land, 2 if by sea and 3 if by our own government.)
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To: Getsmart64
You don’t get rich working for the government.

Tell that to the 1,690 TSA workers making over $170,000/year. Give me a break!

24 posted on 02/09/2010 3:04:53 PM PST by ezfindit (ConservativeDatingSite.com - The Right Place for Conservative Singles)
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To: lesko
You are the only one. All my government jobbed friends make more than I do. It disgusts me that police, firefighters, yawning secretaries make large salaries and ridiculous pensions. It is bankrupting us.

There is so much evidence that the public sector is overpaid, it really is no longer debatable.

25 posted on 02/09/2010 3:08:37 PM PST by Dave W
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To: j-damn
Percentages can mislead, however the Gov is filled
with too many gold bricks. One example won't win
the case, but I know there are way too many like
this:

After two years at the Pentagon, (Linda) Tripp
received favorable job evaluations that helped
boost her salary to $88,000.

She could type 30 words per minute and run a xerox,
$88K is way too much money.

26 posted on 02/09/2010 3:10:39 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain OnTheDress)
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To: Getsmart64

True, but the retirement benefits far exceed private industry with 401K’s taking over versus annuities.


27 posted on 02/09/2010 3:11:13 PM PST by unique
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To: ezfindit
Tell that to the 1,690 TSA workers making over $170,000/year. Give me a break!

You have proof of that for that ridiculous statement? Most of those guys were contractors making minimum wage or just a bit more when turned into government employees. You're frigging nutz if you think a TSA employee is making that much money when engineers are hired in as GS-9's making $30K a year. Go to usajobs.com and check out some of the job listings and show me what is required to earn a fed position at $170k a year.

28 posted on 02/09/2010 3:12:14 PM PST by Getsmart64
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To: Getsmart64

Bull.


29 posted on 02/09/2010 3:13:18 PM PST by Dave W
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To: ezfindit

One of the problems with gov. workers is that most of them, if not all, are unionized. Their wages can only go up, never down.

Take for example, Air traffic controllers can easily make over 6 figures and retire EARLIER than other fed. workers.


30 posted on 02/09/2010 3:16:24 PM PST by subzeroheat
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To: Getsmart64

If it’s so bad - why don’t you get a job in the private sector?


31 posted on 02/09/2010 3:16:25 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Getsmart64
I am an attorney in private practice. Recently, I spoke with a federal bureaucrat who started at a low level job with the government about the time I started practicing law. He got several promotions over the years and is a mid-level employee at this point. He just turned 54 and I am 56. He recently told me he would be retiring later this year and will receive $87,000 a year in pension for the rest of his life. On top of that he just needs a few more quarters of employment to qualify for social security benefits (his government job was so demanding over the years that he was able to work part time as well). So he's going to be making over $100,000 a year throughout his retirement years. Trust me, I've worked a great deal harder over the years, with much more risk and stress and have not been able to put myself in a position to do this well in retirement. Nor, can I retire at age 55. Government jobs are the way to go. Most of the governmet workers I know could not hold down a job a Walmart but are pulling down 60-80 K a year and acting POed about it.
32 posted on 02/09/2010 3:17:38 PM PST by northwinds
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To: ezfindit

From my experience, about 1/2 the people with Government jobs in the UK are useless, whiney drones.

The other half do all the work.


33 posted on 02/09/2010 3:31:02 PM PST by agere_contra
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To: ezfindit
This is BS. I work for the goberment as a Computer Programmer, and no way do I make more then my peers in the real world.
34 posted on 02/09/2010 3:38:40 PM PST by skully (Libtard: A way to describe Democrats without insulting the retarded.)
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To: SoCalPol
Ha!

I work in the private sector.

I work every week-end...52 weeks a year.

I work 12 hrs a day.

I am interrupted on avg. 1 out of every 5 lunch breaks...to go check on something or someone.

Checkmate!?!?

35 posted on 02/09/2010 3:43:18 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: SoCalPol
I was working while also having over 8 major orthopedic surgeries, neuro surgery and cancer surgery

Okay...you win.

I didn't do that....

Hope you are well and good!!

FRegards,

36 posted on 02/09/2010 3:47:02 PM PST by Osage Orange (Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It)
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To: northwinds
Amen. You speak the truth. It really is a scandal, but someday this will come crashing down, it will take years, but it will come crashing down. The local and state pensions will be the first to go.

I think you can even make a case that it is corrupt.

37 posted on 02/09/2010 4:05:27 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Osage Orange

Hey, each of us had it tough
Take Care


38 posted on 02/09/2010 4:11:24 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: bayliving

No problem. We both had it tough


39 posted on 02/09/2010 4:13:15 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: bayliving

Sister in law = NonValue Added Trash. No offense to her, just her job.


40 posted on 02/09/2010 4:14:01 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: ezfindit

I’m just curious...

How much do government burger flippers make compared to private sector?

How about government gas station attendants, vs private?

Government gardners vs private?

Government chambermaids and hotel workers vs private?

Government coffee barristas vs private?

Government fruit pickers vs private?

Government car wash attendants vs private?

Government dishwashers vs private?

Government waitresses vs private?

Government hotel valets vs private?

Any idea what the pay is for the above job classifications, worker for worker in government vs private?


41 posted on 02/09/2010 5:09:31 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: AndyJackson

Your post nails the true problem, while the article nails an easy target.


42 posted on 02/09/2010 5:11:24 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“I think the University of Michigan study must be working with aggregate numbers. The private sector number would include a whole lot of part-time workers at or near minimum wage at WalMart, Burger King, etc. Since the public sector is generally covered by “living wage” laws, etc., they can’t help but have a discrepancy.”

They - the private sector workers you mentioned - are also paying taxes to support the government workers, as many of those “temp” jobs are second jobs for working families and while helping them also takes the “family income” into taxable territory.

The fact is why should the average American citizen private sector worker be paying taxes to support levels of government employee benefits that they will never in their lifetime see. They shouldn’t.

Government employee benefits should not be part of collective bargaining. They should be set by law to be - skill for skill - never greater than the median in the private sector.

One reason many government salaries are as high as they are is phony pay scales; which I have seen directly in government job postings, where the tasks and responsibilities to be performed, as well as the skill and experience requirements are totally the same (in other words the job any applicant is being asked to do is exactly the same) but if the applicant has a higher academic degree they will be offered a higher salary - to do exactly the same job that can be done without that higher degree.

That rarely happens in the private sector, where, usually, if a higher degree is a requirement, then it is a requirement. If it is not a requirement for the work to be done then it is not a factor in the salary offered. Not true in lots of government jobs.


43 posted on 02/09/2010 5:28:57 PM PST by Wuli
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To: ozarkgirl

He could ask you the same question.

If government pays so highly for doing what you do, why aren’t you applying for that high-paying job?

In fact, for most of the people on this thread. If you are so poorly compensated for what you do, why don’t you go get yourself a cushy, high paying government job. And I don’t want to hear any excuses and self-sacrificing BS about how you would rather starve to death in a private job than become a millionaire in a government job.

BS. If you could give your wife/husband/children a far better lifestyle can guarantee their security, you would be in a government job so fast it would make my head swim.

So then, why aren’t all of you working for the government if it pays so vastly much more than you are currently earning at your present private job?

Fair question.


44 posted on 02/09/2010 5:29:13 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: northwinds

Out of curiosity sake, please least his salary and your salary for:

1. Starting pay

2. Five years of experience

3. Ten years of experience

4. Twenty years experience


45 posted on 02/09/2010 5:32:07 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I am not complaining about how much I make. He is. He said he worked for 30% less than his counterparts in the private sector. I’m very happy with what I make in the private sector although I would take their holidays and retirement plan. I wondered, if he was so poorly paid - why did he stay with that job. If I didn’t like what my job paid - I’d be looking for another one.

I did look up the site he mentioned - yes, government workers do seem to get paid more. I am in the ballpark but on the low end of the scale and I work for a high paying company. Most of the people who do what I do wouldn’t even hit the bottom end of the government scale. I see the government pays cleaning staff more than a good secretary or accounting clerk makes in this area.

I looked up federal jobs and the closest ones were at Ft. Leonardwood. There are no federal jobs in my field in this area so it’s not a possibility for me anyway.

Yes, it was a fair question - as I believe mine was.


46 posted on 02/09/2010 5:46:57 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Government chambermaids and hotel workers vs private?

Apparently janitors working for the government make $11-$15 an hour. Before the minimum wage was raised - hotel maids were making $6.75 - I think the jobs are equitable.

47 posted on 02/09/2010 5:52:56 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: j-damn
most of these jobs are in DC metro, where one needs to make 100K just to pay rent.

Chop the size of government, Federal and state, significantly and see what supply and demand do to those rents.

48 posted on 02/09/2010 6:26:22 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: SoCalPol

You’re on the wrong coast. The wealth within a hundred-mile radius of DC is obscene, as are the swanky cars on the beltways at rush-hour.


49 posted on 02/09/2010 6:43:57 PM PST by balls
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To: ezfindit

More divide and conquer!

In good times the private sector leaves the public sector in the dust!

Now we have obama!!!


50 posted on 02/09/2010 6:49:24 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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