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Church May Split Over Women Bishops and Gay Priests, Warns Rowan Williams
London Times ^ | February 09, 2010 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 02/09/2010 5:15:06 PM PST by Steelfish

February 10, 2010 Church May Split Over Women Bishops and Gay Priests, Warns Rowan Williams Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

Members of the General Synod listen to Dr Williams?s address yesterday The Archbishop of Canterbury warned yesterday that damaging infighting over women bishops and gay priests could result in a permanent split in the Anglican Communion.

Dr Rowan Williams stressed that he did not “want or relish” the prospect of division. He called on the Church of England and Anglicans worldwide to step back from a “betrayal” of God’s mission and to put the work of Christ before schism.

But he conceded that, unless Anglicans could find a way to live with their differences over women bishops and homosexual ordination, the Church would change shape and become a multi-tier communion of different levels — a schism in all but name.

In an historic and wide-ranging address to the General Synod — the Church of England’s parliament — he linked his Church’s divisions to similar battles in the secular world, such as the assisted-dying debate and the Equality Bill that is currently going through Parliament.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: coe; homosexualagenda; religiousleft; rowanwilliams; schism
Who Cares? The C of E and Protestantism in general is in tatters over gay and lesbians and lack a core catechetical basis.
1 posted on 02/09/2010 5:15:06 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

***The Archbishop of Canterbury warned yesterday that damaging infighting over women bishops and gay priests could result in a permanent split in the Anglican Communion. ***

Dear Archie, there is only one correct way to handle this... get rid of them.


2 posted on 02/09/2010 5:17:38 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: Steelfish

Revelation 3:16 comes to mind. Lukewarm, compromisers...


4 posted on 02/09/2010 5:18:35 PM PST by pray4liberty (Liberalism is the religion of narcissists. You read it here first.)
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To: Steelfish

The way things currently are over there, the Anglicans are going to die out.


5 posted on 02/09/2010 5:19:12 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Steelfish

I guess old man Williams doesn’t read the newspapers.


6 posted on 02/09/2010 5:19:36 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Is anyone in the 0bama administration competent at anything?!!?)
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To: Steelfish

bump


7 posted on 02/09/2010 5:20:43 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Steelfish
The C of E is already split, superficially held together by duck tape and super glue. The US church, TEC, is the primary perpetrator but England has its pervert cheering section as well. Since they don't make children anymore, and no one wants to board a sinking ship, the North American Anglican churches will die out in another generation. Already they are suing each other into insolvency. The homosexuals will buy out the great old church buildings and turn them into bath houses and bars.
8 posted on 02/09/2010 5:22:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Steelfish
no it is not but the church is along with a couple of other churches.
Catholics got through their homosexual child molesting priests and I see no reason why this cannot be resolved either
9 posted on 02/09/2010 5:25:21 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: irishtenor

exactly

get rid of the homosexuals and all will be well.

if they want sicko’s and perverts then a split will occur and he will be held responsible

fact5 is no religion can survive if they cater to homosexuals


10 posted on 02/09/2010 5:27:35 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: manc

Apples and oranges, I think. Homosexual conduct is defined as “intrinsically evil” in the Catholic Catechism. The small percentage of Catholic priests involved in gay behavior have either left the priesthood or been weeded out. How do you weed out gay and lesbian bishops duly ordained?


11 posted on 02/09/2010 5:43:32 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Morgana
absolutely...
12 posted on 02/09/2010 5:43:35 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Steelfish

you don’t weed them out but you do tell the brass so to speak that you’re breaking away.


13 posted on 02/09/2010 5:50:16 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: manc

“no religion can survive if they cater to homosexuals”

No civilization can survive if it caters to sodomites.


14 posted on 02/09/2010 5:52:10 PM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Steelfish
Homosexual conduct is defined as “intrinsically evil” in the Catholic Catechism.

Is that so? (I'm not RC; but I thought the Catechism's phrase was "objectively disordered.")

15 posted on 02/09/2010 6:03:59 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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To: Steelfish
The Anglican community is a dead man walking. Just as the churches in Corinth at the time of St. Paul were examples of what not to do, the Anglican community is another example of how to kill the Spirit of God and lead people straight to Hell. We are seeing this reenacted in nearly all the Protestant mainline denominations. Their imperative is keep the institution alive. Don't leave! Schism is bad, but heresy is acceptable. We don't care about your souls, but we do love the money and numbers. Let's all play church.
16 posted on 02/09/2010 6:07:36 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: achilles2000

you said it better than I


17 posted on 02/09/2010 6:12:08 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Albion Wilde
Homosexual conduct is defined as “intrinsically evil” in the Catholic Catechism.

Is that so? (I'm not RC; but I thought the Catechism's phrase was "objectively disordered.")

A homosexual orientation is "objectively disordered". The act itself is what is deemed "intrinsically evil".

18 posted on 02/09/2010 6:16:02 PM PST by grand wazoo
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To: Steelfish
Church May Split Over Women Bishops and Gay Priests

If a church split doesn't take at least 90% of the members away from the part coddling those who claim it's okay for a priest to be gay, then it wasn't much of a church to begin with. This isn't a question of political correctness; it's about whether God is in charge of our lives. As for me, I will serve the Lord [and I will assume that He will let me know if He changes his mind on sexual immorality].

19 posted on 02/09/2010 6:26:59 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Albion Wilde

You are correct.

But see this:

October 1986: Ratzinger publishes a document titled “On The Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons.” The letter warns of “deceitful propaganda” from pro-homosexual groups. It instructs bishops not to accept groups that “seek to undermine the teaching of the church, which are ambiguous about it, or which neglect it entirely.” The letter refers to homosexual orientation as an “intrinsic moral evil.” In the wake of the letter, many Catholic bishops bar Dignity from using church facilities.


20 posted on 02/09/2010 6:33:37 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

I thought the Queen/King was the head of the church of england?


21 posted on 02/09/2010 6:39:17 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: manc

***...get rid of the homosexuals and all will be well.***

Well, probably not, since the church is still run by humans who are prone to sin. But standing up against a sin is much preferable to allowing, or even approving that sin.


22 posted on 02/09/2010 6:44:03 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: Steelfish
It is rather telling that their greatest theologian has left the church and moved to the African church. (J.I.Packer)
23 posted on 02/09/2010 6:48:15 PM PST by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: Nosterrex

And they don’t believe the Bible.


24 posted on 02/09/2010 7:08:20 PM PST by usslsm51
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To: Albion Wilde
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

VIII. In the pastoral field, these homosexuals must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the objective moral order, homosexual relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God.[18] This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.

25 posted on 02/09/2010 7:14:04 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Steelfish
Yeah, this WAS my church. This is what liberalism can do to a beautiful thing. Look at it closely America, learn! This is the same creeping progressivism that will destroy the USA if it is not stopped.
26 posted on 02/09/2010 7:17:09 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: Steelfish

Of couse it will split. That’s why they came.


27 posted on 02/09/2010 7:37:22 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
But he conceded that, unless Anglicans could find a way to live with their differences over women bishops and homosexual ordination, the Church would change shape and become a multi-tier communion of different levels -- a schism in all but name.
Thanks Steelfish.
28 posted on 02/09/2010 7:40:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: Steelfish
How do you weed out gay and lesbian bishops duly ordained?

With your 12 gauge silly.

29 posted on 02/09/2010 7:48:03 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: Steelfish

Let is split - even encourage the split. The Gay and Feminist Church won’t last another 20 years anyway, especially on its own. It will simply disappear. It is not a faith, it is a political ideology and is a parasite on the traditional faith - which will flourish once it is free.


30 posted on 02/09/2010 9:08:37 PM PST by PGR88
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There is one True Church. Jesus founded it. Guess what? It ain’t the church in this article. Sorry.


31 posted on 02/09/2010 10:12:00 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: Steelfish

If you don’t care, why did you bother to post this?

Basically, you do very much care - the exultation is almost palpable.


32 posted on 02/10/2010 12:26:46 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: hinckley buzzard

Perhaps the Anglicans should split. Perhaps its better that way. There are always arguments within churches - thats how you know some are right and some are wrong!


33 posted on 02/10/2010 12:28:19 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: longtermmemmory

Jesus Christ is the head of the Church of England.

The sovereign is the governor.


34 posted on 02/10/2010 12:31:19 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Steelfish
The C of E and Protestantism in general is in tatters over gay and lesbians and lack a core catechetical basis.

The Protestant denominations have a core basis. The Bible. Those who follow it do well. Those who don't, die. (Please note that when they abandon the bible they cease being Christian. C of E hasn't been a Christian church in years)

35 posted on 02/10/2010 6:56:40 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: grand wazoo; Steelfish; A.A. Cunningham
“intrinsically evil” ... I thought the Catechism's phrase was "objectively disordered."

Thank you very much for your citations at 18, 20 and 25.

36 posted on 02/10/2010 7:24:21 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberals love the poor so much they came up w/ a plan to create millions more of them. - Ann Coulter)
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