Skip to comments.Haiti parents testify they gave kids to Americans
Posted on 02/09/2010 8:48:02 PM PST by ETL
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti Parents of some of the children who 10 U.S. missionaries tried to take out of Haiti after its catastrophic earthquake told a judge Tuesday that they freely handed over their kids, the Americans' lawyer said.
The parents' testimony means no law was broken and "we can't talk any more about trafficking of human beings," attorney Aviol Fleurant told reporters.
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Hillary Clinton, as secretary of state, you should be working for the release of these folks NOW based on the testimony. They apparently did more good than your “Smart Power.”
Even if these folks did break the law, I’d hardly put them in the same league as child traffickers. It seems to me motive should be a major consideration.
Praying for them. Even the leader who seems to be the only questionable one.
The other shoe drops, seemingly. It looks like the scandal is about to go away.
But. I thought these were orphans? How do you get parental permission for an orphan?
From the article, “Parents of some of the children who 10 U.S. missionaries tried to take out of Haiti after its catastrophic earthquake told a judge Tuesday that they freely handed over their kids, the Americans’ lawyer said.”
The missionaries tried to take 33 children out of Haiti. These “parents” that testified....how many were there? How many of the 33 children were related to these parents? Also, did the missionaries have, or not have, the required paperwork for some, or all of these children?
It might be true, by extension, that surviving custodial adults were all asked permission and all granted it. I hope it is true.
It takes much more wisdom than compassion to really help people.
One investigative reporter in Haiti following up on this situation said he could only find one family that would _not_ consider giving up their kids (and they were talking adoption, not this situation where the kids could return), if it promised them a better life. And some of the parents of the kids involved in this case said they wouldn't be able to care for the kids if they were forced to take them back. It's a very difficult situation.
From the article, “The parents’ testimony means no law was broken and “we can’t talk any more about trafficking of human beings,” attorney Aviol Fleurant told reporters.”
From what I read in that article, only SOME of the parents said they gave permission. So how does that jive with what this attorney is saying? Just because SOME of the parents gave testimony doesn’t necessarily mean that “no law was broken” in the attempted taking of 33 children.
And before anyone gets all riled up at my question, I am NOT saying these folks were into child trafficking, etc. But it sure seems to me that someone did something wrong, or these folks wouldn’t be in the mess they’re in. And why hasn’t our government come to their aid?
Let’s see: Idaho, Republican, Caucasian.......OK, I get the picture....Hill and Barry don’t give a rats rear.
I hope these folks had their hearts in the right place too, and that they’ll be o.k. Well, except for that one gal. Sounds like she needs to have her head and heart checked.
Hey, that’s like the liberals saying the reason we didn’t do something more in Darfur was because of the color of their skin. I say that because some loony-lib actually accused Bush of that. That he didn’t care about them because of their color.
Just tryin’ to keep it real lest I sound like one of the idiots on the left.
Some of them were not orphans at all. Think about it. You’d give your kids away - gladly - if you thought they’d have a better life with white folk. I think this stinks to High Heaven. I think they took advantage of the parents right in the worst catastrophe of their lives. They were vulnerable. I’m not saying I think these Christians should go to jail or anything. But I am saying there are consequences to dumb stupid ignorant behavior.
Here is the scam. The orphans go to America and then the parents are miraculously found alive! Praise the Lord! The parents can come to America and get ENDLESS freebies. So YOU American suckers can pay for it.
Keep it up and bankrupt your America kids future you idiots! Haitians and other illegals have ruined FL schools. Your American child can now learn Creole which is pidgin French.
Lock these Baptists up so they can do a prison ministry in Haiti instead of bringing Haitians back to America to bankrupt FL and America.
Well make up your mind who was “dumb stupid ignorant.” The parents/guardians or the Christians.
It sounds like you have never spent much time in third world countries, where corruption is rampant. In most of those places you need to have a wad of cash in your pocket at all times to fix any "misunderstandings".
Put another way, you can assume that essentially everything that has been done to aid Haitians has violated one or more laws there. For instance, do you think all of those doctors and EMTs who rode across the border from the Dominican Republic and saved thousands of lives were licensed to practice medicine in Haiti? Did any of them have work visas? Of course not, and what they did was almost certainly a violation of the law. Even the folks handing out food in many cases lacked the necessary permits, etc.
During the first few days the locals were pretty much stunned, and among other things the normal corruption was on hold. After a few days it came back to life, and pretty soon they were back to their old ways.
Anyone considering trying to help out in Haiti should use great caution now, and even if you are considering donating money or supplies be very sure they aren't just going into somebody's Swiss bank account.
It does stink to high heaven. We have 300,000 + Haitians in FL and most are on every govt beneit plan you can imagine and about 10 you cannot believe exist. Send the 300,000 Haitians to Idaho with these Baptist do gooders. Let them bankrupt Idaho.
Haitian parents willing to give away children does not make anyone interested in taking them able custodians.
they weren’t tryint to bring those kids to the US. they were takinbg them to another orphanage on the same damn island
No other group working in Haiti is complaining about harrassment and many of them are Christian.
Hotel - there was no orphanage yet. It was all still a pipe dream.
It also happens that the last news article about the raping, looting, and other nefarious activities by the 5000 or so escaped prisoners was the same day these 10 were arrested.
Did the criminal thugs just start behaving when these folks were arrested or was our wonderful media helping the zer0 out by vilifying these people?
Those “third world countries” sound a lot like the U.S. these days. “Corruption is rampant” and you need to have a “wad of cash” to fix any misunderstandings.
One could presume that those doctors and EMTs who came in from the Dominican Republic had their papers in order, and were given some sort of authority to help. If not, then by your take on things, the Haitian authorities would have jailed them as well.
Great caution should be taken whenever entering or doing “business” in a foreign country. Sadly, some folks just don’t think before they act.
I just don’t know what to think about this particular situation. But like all situations such as this, the truth usually wins out.
Have you ever been in a third world country during a disaster? Its all well and good to keep parents with their kids, but I've witnessed first hand situations where those kids will all be dead in a month or so. We couldn't do anything for them, but I can't see how it would have been "taking advantage of the parents" to help save their children. The parents were begging for help where I was.
What would you do in that situation? Leave the kids to face a very desperate situation with their parents or take the baby the mother is holding up to you and try to save it?
Very sad but not surprising... I spent a summer there doing mission work several years back and we had 3 or 4 families begging our group to take their children to America with us. As for the person that heads up this group, there's something not right about her. I know someone much like her and while she seems to be trying to do good she really lacks judgment and sense. She is in way over her head, and would not surprise me if she ends up in jail one day too.
Haiti has 9 million inhabitants, the Dominican Republic, 9.6 million. Life expectancy is 61 years in Haiti, 73.7 years in the Dominican Republic. Literacy rate (over 15 years old) is 52.9% in Haiti, 87% in the Dominican Republic.
Annual per ca pita income is $1,300 in Haiti, $8,200 in the Dominican Republic.
Looks like these orphans were not really orphans and the Baptist were scamming. Maybe those Baptist should dance more and drink more liquor instead of lying.
If I put myself in those Haitian parent’s position, I can sure see where you’re coming from. It’d be so easy to convince the parents of these children that we know best for you and your child.
That being said, I’m not sure what the truth is in this case, but I do have a feeling that some of these missionaries were ignorant of some extremely important legal issues.
So let’s bring em all to America so I can pay for them. We are going broke people. California is $52 billion in debt at least. Duma*ses when there “ain’t no” social security then I am going to laugh.
Maybe those Baptists should be back in America helping Americans because we are gonna be looking and Obamavilles like hoovervilles soon.
It was mentioned on an earlier thread that all of her issues are classic bipolar symptoms.
>> Smart Power.
Not always on.
“It also happens that the last news article about the raping, looting, and other nefarious activities by the 5000 or so escaped prisoners was the same day these 10 were arrested.
Did the criminal thugs just start behaving when these folks were arrested or was our wonderful media helping the zer0 out by vilifying these people?”
I might have missed some news on this story. Did Obama vilify these missionaries? Or are you talking about Obama vilifying the criminal thugs in Haiti?
I have three children who were adopted internationally, on three separate occasions. Cracking down on this kind of predatory behavior for adoption is necessary and important.
Zer0 was getting negative attention about his handling of things. All hell was breaking loose until this story came out and there really hasn’t been much reporting on anything else going on over there.
Each country has laws in place for parental relinquishment,
but all of them involve signatures of the parents and
often witnesses and official seals.
Seems like most other Christian groups are doing just that. And none of them are in jail.
Thank’s for that link, MarMema. Maybe there is a reason why our government isn’t rushing to the aid of these folks...or not yet, anyhow. I’m not one who believes in jumpin’ the gun, to so speak, but there’s quite a bit of information being reported that has me doubting the integrity of this so-called rescue mission.
“Zer0 was getting negative attention about his handling of things. All hell was breaking loose until this story came out and there really hasnt been much reporting on anything else going on over there.”
I noticed the lack of new information on this story. Doesn’t surprise me though. We’ve got an awful lot of bad business going on in our country and the world. Makes it kind of difficult to find much concern leftover for a group of doo-gooders gone wrong. Still, I hope they’ll be o.k. and that they weren’t trying to do what they are accused of.
The younger and healthier the child, the higher the fee in many cases.
That busload of children was a gold mine if you knew you had evangelical connections back home to parents willing to make the second mortgage to help a child.
The media hype about kids in Haiti was just gravy for this woman.
That said I think most of the group were innocent and I don't know the specifics for Haiti, but wow, we had to climb through ten million hoops to bring a child into the US, medical too.
So I don't know where she was going to get the documents, or maybe she was planning to solicit donations forever.....
But you don't go into a disaster zone and solicit for children to place overseas. It's not ethical.
You don’t know Baptists well.
You’ve got experience and insight into this situation that I don’t have, MarMema, and I do thank you for sharing it. It sounds like you know of what you speak, and hopefully others will find it as educational as I did.
God bless the children and keep them safe from those who would trade their lives for riches. Amen.
It is unbelievable how far this has gone without U.S. State Department intervention. There is no evidence of anything but good intentions on the part of the church members.
VISA’s held until things are sorted out I could understand, but to be treated as common criminals in primitive conditions is appalling.
The fact that you expect the government to come to their aid is a tell.
Welcome to FR!
Thank goodness. I’m glad to see that there has been a positive break on this matter. I hope the Christian folks are exonerated.
The Obama administration is still waiting for their executions.
I think she was young and idealistic. If she was thinking of a gold-mine" I would hope that she would have thought it out better.
Good to read, thanks.
So are these Americans now free?
Please ping me if you know or when you know the answer...not enough time to catch up on so much .....
Um, the other kids had no parents? The parents were killed?
I’ve been shocked all through this at the willingness of Americans to believe the absolute worst about their fellow Americans based on allegations coming from a corrupt regime of Haitian despots and an unrelated story about the group leader’s previous financial failures.
It’s disheartening to say the least to see such ignorance and gullibility.
So many FReepers on the several threads about this case were ready to string these people up. Just despicable.
“And why hasnt our government come to their aid?”
Oh, gee, I don’t know. Could it be because they’re white, Christian, and operating an effort outside our government’s desire to control any and all benefit to Haitians?