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Australiagate: Now NASA caught in trick over Aussie climate data
Climategate.com ^ | February 10, 2010 | John O’Sullivan

Posted on 02/10/2010 7:08:46 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
the greatest scam in the history of science

The greatest scam in history.

21 posted on 02/10/2010 8:49:32 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
My belief is that these Washington Republicans were duped by an unending series of propaganda briefings from a corrupted NASA and other federal agencies.

I wish I could believe that, but I can't. These boys are not dumb and anyone with an ounce of brains could see through this hoax a long time ago. They were all well aware of the tens of thousands of scientists on record as skeptics of this drivel. No, these "leaders" just want to hold on to power and don't want to miss the train and be left at the station. <

Sluts.

22 posted on 02/10/2010 8:53:23 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: driftdiver
Probably because they aren’t willing to admit they’ve been stupid.

Probably because they are still trying to grab off total societal control and some trillions of dollars(2009 value) of resources. They will hang on to absurdity so long as it is possible to make money from it and so long as governments are trying to pass Cap&Trade and other scams like that there is value in hanging on to the most blatant and obvious of lies. And our government is frantically trying.

23 posted on 02/10/2010 8:54:30 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: cogitator

Now NASA and GISS are shown to have faked upward two degrees worth of Australia data to reverse cooling into recent global warming.


24 posted on 02/10/2010 8:55:46 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: muawiyah
It is necessary to achieve comity with this pack of criminals or they will become intransigent.

They will be intransigent so long as there is a chance they can get what they want from government, control of all the money and everyone's behaviour.

25 posted on 02/10/2010 8:58:20 PM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: coldoc

Global Historical Climatology Network


26 posted on 02/10/2010 9:10:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: muawiyah
Another technical issue concerns the climate models ~ the coding doesn't work to predict current reality, or even the distant past. Was there fraud? Or, was someone an incompetent programmer.

Actually the question is not between fraud and incompetent programming, but whether between scientific fraud and scientific naïveté. Climate modelers should (and some do) understand that because they are dealing with a non-linear dynamical system, long-term prediction is impossible (the popularizing term for the phenomenon is 'chaotic dynamics') and that the coarser the discretization used in the simulation the worse even short-term predictions will be.

It's not a matter of competent or incompetent programming, but of programs, no matter the correctness of the code or the sophistication of the methods used, being unable to predict over the long term.

The "weather isn't climate" refrain suggests that deep down, there is a degree of scientific naïveté underlying the whole thing: they seem to assume that the short-term variability of weather is statistical noise, when, in fact, it is the short-term dynamics of the system they are modeling. If you have a non-linear dynamical system (weather) and make another by taking averages of the variable over fixed-length time intervals (climate) the new dynamical system is still non-linear, still exhibits chaotic dynamics, and is still not feasible to predict long-term.

I have a colleague, who, for a while, was taken in, until he went to a conference on the subject and saw how really bad the mathematical models being used are. Bad models usually are the result neither of fraud nor of outright stupidity, but of not understanding something fundamental about the nature of mathematical models or about the system being modeled.

This is why I've thought the whole thing was a crock from long before the fact that they 'modelers' have been engaging in fraud came to light.

27 posted on 02/10/2010 9:10:31 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: arthurus
I want the connection to this clown to come out and finish him once and for all!

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28 posted on 02/10/2010 9:24:24 PM PST by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85 -Happy B'day Daddy 2/20/23)
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; Oynx; BOBTHENAILER; ...
Damn,...they did the fudging at two different stations ...

Darwin in the west and this “Mackay Sugar Mill Station” in the east.

Very SMALL techniques used....lower the old temperatures,...raise the recent temperatures....

29 posted on 02/11/2010 8:23:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

bump


30 posted on 02/11/2010 8:26:07 PM PST by GeronL (Dignity is earned from yourself. Respect is earned from others.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

It’s about the Carbon Trade....read up on Former Senator Tim Wirth...who is now president of the UN Foundation.


31 posted on 02/11/2010 8:27:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Prokopton

See #31.


32 posted on 02/11/2010 8:30:14 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

From the UK’s Telegraph, which states that Al Gore will soon be the world’s first carbon credit billionaire fronm crooked government money:

Last year Mr Gore’s venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.

The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.

The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.

The move means that venture capital company Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.


33 posted on 02/11/2010 8:33:05 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: muawiyah
Dr David Evans of Australia has been beating up the Climate models beacaus they predict a Hot Spot and ...but actual measurements with radiosondes show no such predicted Hot Spot...

Some of the threads back several weeks ago had links to the technical papers.

That is alos in the Skeptics Hand Book ...that is at the JoNova Website.

34 posted on 02/11/2010 8:34:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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From the JoNova Website:

Finally! The newly revised and edited ClimateGate Timeline (1.1)

35 posted on 02/11/2010 8:51:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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Addendum to post #35.

NEW IN THIS VERSION: Carbon economics and data fiddling kick in soon after the IPCC is established in 1988.


36 posted on 02/11/2010 8:52:45 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All; neverdem
From the JoNova website...hadn't seen this before:

Hansen barracking for lawless destruction and the end of civilization

***********************************EXCERPT*************************************

Civilization is the problem. Hansen recommends a book that incites violent sabotage, and promotes illegal activities to bring about an end to industrial civilization. Is this kind of book legal in the US?

James Hansen has called for industrial sabotage and defended lawbreakers before, but did he really read all of Keith Farnish’s words before he endorsed the book “Times Up”?

Farnish has put together a frightening compilation. He tried non-violent protest with Greenpeace for five years, but then he changed tactics. He got angry, and recommends you do too:

“Constructive Anger, on the other hand, does achieve something useful – even if it may not be exactly what was originally intended. For instance, if all the evidence you have to hand suggests that removing a sea wall or a dam will have a net beneficial effect on the natural environment then,  however you go about it – explosives, technical sabotage or manual destruction – the removal would be a constructive action. If this action was fuelled by anger then your use of explosives involved Constructive Anger.”

The four key rules of sabotage

1. Carefully weigh up all the pros and cons, and then ask yourself, “Is it worth it?”
2. Plan ahead, and plan well, accounting for every possible eventuality.
3. Even if you understand the worth of your action, don’t get caught.
4. Make the Tools of Disconnection your priority; anything else is a waste of time and effort.


37 posted on 02/11/2010 8:57:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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From JoNova website.

The short killer summary: The Skeptics Handbook.

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The most deadly point: The Missing Hot Spot.

38 posted on 02/11/2010 9:01:18 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
What has to be done is somehow, zero and his Bolshevik gang get so scared of the uprisings that will occur that they back off on any further EPA punishments to this country.
And that goes for all westernized nations as well as Russia and China.
Let new methods of making a bit more honest money come into play by all. Let capitalism flourish without the need for artificial gimmicks. There is plenty to go around for all that seek to make profits and earn a living if done in a more honest way.
39 posted on 02/11/2010 9:04:48 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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Did you see #37...that is the first that I have seen that....

Hansen was the first scientist that Sen Tim Wirth pulled into the original Hearings I think!

40 posted on 02/11/2010 9:10:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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