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From engagement to confrontation with Iran
BBC News ^ | February 11, 2010 | Barbara Plett

Posted on 02/10/2010 7:31:33 PM PST by myknowledge

Statements out of Washington and other Western capitals suggest a shift from engagement to confrontation with Iran over its nuclear programme.

"What we are going to be working on over the next several weeks is developing a significant regime of sanctions that will indicate to them how isolated they are from the international community as a whole," President Barack Obama told journalists earlier this week.

The president sounded not unlike his predecessor George W Bush, who worked for years to contain Iran, a sign that Mr Obama's policy to engage with the Islamic Republic has failed.

The question now is whether a new round of sanctions would be any more successful than those imposed under Mr Bush's watch.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: confrontation; iran; irannukes; irantweets; nukeprogram
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Sanctions or limited airstrikes on Iranian nuke facilities are on the cards, my FRiends.

1 posted on 02/10/2010 7:31:33 PM PST by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

One can only hope, it’s all Obama has left us.


2 posted on 02/10/2010 7:36:36 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: myknowledge

Barky couldn’t carry W’s jockstrap.


3 posted on 02/10/2010 7:38:05 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: myknowledge

It’s too late for sanctions. And I suspect we have only a month or so left for airstrikes.

Those may have to include hitting some targets with Airborn troops or Seals, going in, taking them out, and then being flown out again. Because I think some of the sites are now too hardened to take out with regular bunker busters, and I don’t think we want to use nukes if we can possibly avoid it.

We should also hit the fanatical corps of Shiite terrorist soldiers. That might prepare the way for an internal revolution to undo the government that Jimmy Carter built.


4 posted on 02/10/2010 7:38:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: myknowledge
"What we are going to be working on over the next several weeks is developing a significant regime of sanctions that will indicate to them how isolated they are from the international community as a whole," President Barack Obama told journalists earlier this week.

Translation: What we are going to be working on is coming up with something that makes it appear as if I know my ass from a hole in the ground, since my ineffective pandering and bowing has made it clear to the entire world that I do not.

5 posted on 02/10/2010 7:42:04 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: myknowledge

Well... it’s after breakfast time on the 11th in Iran now. Where’s this “punch” that will “stun the west” that I’ve been hearing so much about?


6 posted on 02/10/2010 7:42:06 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Cicero
"We should also hit the fanatical corps of Shiite terrorist soldiers."

Don't you mean "corpse" of Shiite terrorist soldiers?

7 posted on 02/10/2010 7:44:10 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: myknowledge
I wish I could be that optimistic. Everyone is waiting for the United States or Israel to Do Something, prepared not to support but to issue the customary hypocritical outraged pieties. These are the very same people whose drumbeat of "negotiate, negotiate" has brought us to this pass.

Iran will pop a nuke - it may be as embarrassingly pathetic as the North Korean effort, but it will be enough to send these idiots back to their "negotiate, negotiate" chant, recognizing a fait accompli where one doesn't even exist. Iran's hard line will work for the same reason that Hitler's did - their opponents aren't willing to do anything more than posture.

One thing, and one only, will work: regime change in Iran. If the bloviaters won't put up, they ought at least to have the decency to shut up.

8 posted on 02/10/2010 7:44:31 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American

Well, yes. We should turn the fanatical Shiite corps into corpses.


9 posted on 02/10/2010 7:46:36 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ramius

“Where’s this “punch” that will ‘stun the west. that I’ve been hearing so much about?”

I think Eichmanndidajob is going to appear wearing a necktie.


10 posted on 02/10/2010 7:48:23 PM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: Ramius

Well four minutes ago there was a tweet that said “let it begin” so I am plastered to the computer screen now, and keeping the green fighters in my prayers.


11 posted on 02/10/2010 7:53:50 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: myknowledge

I’d wager that those alleged limited airstrikes on Iranian nuke facilities” are not in the cards. I would further wager that if they are, 1) they will prove limited or totally ineffective in halting Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons; 2) will only solidify Iran’s decision and desire to pursue nuclear weapons; 3) Iran will resort to either threatening or shutting down the Hormuz Straits, and ratcheting up its use of proxy Shi’ite factions spread out across the Middle East region, such as the Shi’ite rebels in Yemen, Shi’ite militant groups in Iraq (Sadr’s Madhi Army, etc.), and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

If these airstrikes are not decisive in totally inhibiting Iran’s nuclear program, they will do NOTHING but stir up a hornets nets, and one that this Jack Squat administration will be ill-prepared for and to engage.

Ever wondered why the Israeli’s have not hit Iran yet? Be assured, it is not because this Jack Squat administration is restraining or holding Israel back. Israel has realized that their airstrikes would either be 1) ineffectual; 2) have silently determined that Iran’s nuclear program is too far along to be stopped with limited airstrikes; 3)that Iran can foment ridiculous amounts of conflict on Israel via its border with Syria (a strategic ally of Iran) and Lebanon (Hezbollah).


12 posted on 02/10/2010 7:54:07 PM PST by cranked
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To: Carl LaFong

It’s not Febuary 11th here yet.


13 posted on 02/10/2010 7:56:43 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: Ramius

After watching avatar they realized Photoshop just won’t do


14 posted on 02/10/2010 7:58:23 PM PST by Flavius
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To: usmcobra

Ah but it is in Iran.


15 posted on 02/10/2010 7:58:45 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: myknowledge
He will not waste a perfectly good crisis this far out from the election.

Look for a "well planned, and brilliantly executed" stunt (so says the media) closer to the election.

16 posted on 02/10/2010 7:59:00 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: Billthedrill

The greens are saying they are hugely going to outnumber the guards.


17 posted on 02/10/2010 7:59:29 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: myknowledge
Mr Obama's policy to engage with the Islamic Republic has failed

Who could have seen that coming?

18 posted on 02/10/2010 7:59:53 PM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: MarMema

JustPlainBill: RT @sheryllalexande Iranians leaving their homes in Tehran right now to gather in the streets. PRAY FOR THEIR SAFETY, AMERICA! #iranelection
half a minute ago from TweetDeck


19 posted on 02/10/2010 8:06:17 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
Let's me and you do this together. You up for awhile?

I am following a whole bunch of twitters from Iran and a live blog that is supposed to be coming up.

20 posted on 02/10/2010 8:09:56 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: myknowledge
"What we are going to be working on over the next several weeks is developing a significant regime of sanctions that will indicate to them how isolated they are from the international community as a whole,"

Wow, that's new, that's historic, that's...wait...been tried before, with limited success. Really obama? You think they don't already feel isolated, yet continue to calculate the potential payoff is worth it?

...obama's policy to engage with the Islamic Republic has failed.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! No kidding obama's policy has failed. Why should his Iranian policy be any different than any other one? Every policy of obama's has failed, with the possible exception of his attempts to destroy America. Those are moving forward.

The question now is whether a new round of sanctions would be any more successful than those imposed under Mr Bush's watch.

That's former President Bush please. The answer to that question is undoubtedly a resounding no. The sanctions have only (probably) slowed Iran's progress. Since obama's naive policy has failed, he is falling back on a policy that has been demonstrated to be only marginally effective. With obama the inept, ill-prepared one running the show, it will no doubt be less effective...

21 posted on 02/10/2010 8:10:05 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Doesn’t matter much really, at this point. Tonight is the night.


22 posted on 02/10/2010 8:11:33 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

ali_vigh: #iranelection 20 min left till 8Am when the protest starts
half a minute ago from web

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Yup,,,don’t wanna miss this,,,

Ain’t no tellin’ what nutjob is gunna pull...


23 posted on 02/10/2010 8:16:12 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: MarMema

It is now 7:46 am in Tehran.


24 posted on 02/10/2010 8:16:47 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: rdl6989
An hour ago I was seeing a tweet every now and then, and now there are 50 or so every few minutes.

They are saying there is a BIG VID fence around the square. Got any ideas what a VID fence is?

25 posted on 02/10/2010 8:19:17 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: rdl6989

07:45 in Tehran. People already making their way towards Azadi monument


26 posted on 02/10/2010 8:22:51 PM PST by Skywarner (The U.S. Armed Forces... Producers of FREEDOM for over 200 years!!)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; rdl6989

should we do a live thread or just stay here?


27 posted on 02/10/2010 8:23:06 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

I found nothing about vid fence on Google, Yahoo, or Goodsearch. As for live thread or stay here I’m fine either way.


28 posted on 02/10/2010 8:24:27 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: myknowledge
The ONLY sanctions that will work are an air and naval blockade and embargo of all energy products...particularly oil.

The result would certainly be war...but at least it would be on our terms and they would fire the first shot.

Yeah, we'd have to warn off a few Chinese, NK and Russian ships...but NO WAY would they challenge a US Navy at sea and ready to shoot. And yes, we may take a couple of hits from Iranian shore-based batteries but they could be fairly quickly suppressed.

It would be supremely important to notify Iran and any potential allies that if they fire on a US Capital ship...we would take it as an act of unlimited war.

THAT's what Reagan would do:)

29 posted on 02/10/2010 8:25:23 PM PST by Mariner
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To: MarMema

should we do a live thread or just stay here?
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That’s up to you,,,

As for that fence,,,

Mite be a heavy steel fence to keep people out of that area...


30 posted on 02/10/2010 8:27:11 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
The Junta's Game Plan
31 posted on 02/10/2010 8:30:22 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; MarMema; All

U.S.-linked journalist arrested in Iran
TEHRAN, Feb. 10 (UPI) — An Iranian minister said Wednesday security forces had arrested eight people, one of them a journalist, tied to U.S.-funded Radio Free Europe’s Persian arm.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/02/10/US-linked-journalist-arrested-in-Iran/UPI-83011265858044/


32 posted on 02/10/2010 8:30:22 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: All

http://ow.ly/16apG

Youtube of the VIDEO fence. Whatever that is.


33 posted on 02/10/2010 8:41:23 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: rdl6989; MarMema

TANKS,ya’ll,,,
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monique2824: RT @ThinkIran Tehran 30 Minutes Ago Presense of Security Forces On Their Feet Clearly Outside Hospital Khomeini #Iran #IranElection
half a minute ago from web

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I guess the tear gas will start soon...


34 posted on 02/10/2010 8:46:02 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: MarMema

http://homylafayette.blogspot.com/

This live blog will begin at 10 AM Tehran time - 6:30 AM GMT
The protesters plan to infiltrate the official routes of today’s marches which will begin at 9:30 AM at seven locations in Tehran and move towards Azadi Square:

View Tehran - Official routes for revolution anniversary - 9:30 AM, Thursday, 11

Live blogging also here -

http://www.dailyniteowl.com/wordpress/


35 posted on 02/10/2010 8:46:03 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

IAY4Iran: RT @sina_21: first news from Tehran: all routes closed to Azadi SQ #iran #iranelection #22bahman
half a minute ago from web


36 posted on 02/10/2010 8:51:51 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Carl LaFong
“Where’s this “punch” that will ‘stun the west. that I’ve been hearing so much about?”

It's still early in the day, even in Iran, on the East coast of the US, it won't be Feb. 11, for about 5 more minutes.

37 posted on 02/10/2010 8:55:12 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Cars Driving By Security Forces People In Cars Yelling Marg Bar Dictator! & Allah Akbar!


38 posted on 02/10/2010 8:55:28 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: All
Listening to epersianradio.com

Not in english of course.

39 posted on 02/10/2010 8:58:27 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

jomhirani: PLS send NOW http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=333148560099&id=171288838053&ref=nf Canada embassy open doors 2 injured #iranelection
less than 20 seconds ago from web


40 posted on 02/10/2010 9:01:52 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: MarMema

Tweet:

MagidoThunder DONT GO IN BUSSES IRAN PROTESTERS THEY ARE LIKE DEATH TRAINS TO CONSITRATION CAMPS IN EUROPE WW2


41 posted on 02/10/2010 9:02:27 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

RT @J1T2: Anxiety is very clear in the face of Basiji’s and Special forces #iranelection #22bahman


42 posted on 02/10/2010 9:05:02 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: Whenifhow

RT @J1T2: It is a very nice day & people are coming out in 6s and 7s; people coming out w high spirits #iranelection #22bahman


43 posted on 02/10/2010 9:05:54 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

“marg bar” apparently means “death to”


44 posted on 02/10/2010 9:07:55 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

revmagdalen @CNNIranDesk #CNNIranDesk Listen live now at http://epersianradio.com/ for the latest news & live calls from Iran (in Persian) #22Bahman half a minute ago from Twitterfall

Dominique-iran_normal DominiqueRdr RT @fahimn: Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) site hacked http://bit.ly/9WcNJF #Iran #IranElection #22Bahman


45 posted on 02/10/2010 9:08:46 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

EhsanIran: RT @onlymehdi: Live From Iran: there are buses everywhere people going in and many patrols in the city near Azadi #iranelection #22Bahman
half a minute ago from web


46 posted on 02/10/2010 9:10:12 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: MarMema

Paid Pro IRI People Look Like Herd of Sheeps - These Are People Brought In From Villages #Iran #IranElection less than a minute ago from web


47 posted on 02/10/2010 9:10:27 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: MarMema

guita: The Bridge of Stkandan crowd is swelling #iranelection people are saying on Eperisan Radio.
less than 20 seconds ago from web
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Hopefully everybody brought a fire-bomb...


48 posted on 02/10/2010 9:16:14 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Whenifhow

fpmarin Nokia Siemens Networks (NSN) supports the regime of Iran:

(Video of the technology that allows Iran to monitor online use)

http://bit.ly/cueJBk via @addthis #nokia #siemens #iran


49 posted on 02/10/2010 9:16:27 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: cranked
You're more on the correct line there.

Sanctions and airstrikes are no longer viable at this point when they should have been executed at least 6 months ago.

50 posted on 02/10/2010 9:20:14 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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