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The CO2 Lie (One more domino falls)
IBD ^ | Feb 10, 2010 | editorial

Posted on 02/11/2010 2:20:17 AM PST by The Raven

Climate Change: A new study shows that Earth's ability to absorb carbon dioxide from all sources, including man, has remained unchanged for 160 years. As it turns out, there may be no carbon to offset.

A major tenet of the global warming religion, straight from the Book of Gore, has been that the ability of the earth to handle increasing CO2 emissions is finite and that once the "tipping point" is reached, the earth will warm uncontrollably. Well, another climate domino has fallen — the myth that man-made CO2 is leading to climate catastrophe.

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The new study, ..show that only 45% of man's emissions, not 100% as warmers claim, stays in the atmosphere, ..

The rest is absorbed by nature, and that percentage hasn't changed since 1850. ..

.. This post-Climate-gate study provides another nail in the coffin of cap-and-trade and shows why the Environmental Protection Agency should not be allowed to destroy the U.S. economy by absurdly regulating carbon dioxide, the basis for all life on earth, as a pollutant.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: co2; envirofascism; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; gore

1 posted on 02/11/2010 2:20:17 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven

Not surprised. Green plants (including microscopic plankton in the sea) consider CO2 to be a yum-yum.


2 posted on 02/11/2010 2:21:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: All

I forgot the source-—Invester’s Business Daily


3 posted on 02/11/2010 2:21:52 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven

ping


4 posted on 02/11/2010 2:26:18 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Dockery for Gov. - JD Hayworth - US Senate)
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To: The Raven

For later read.


5 posted on 02/11/2010 2:27:43 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: The Raven

So the final nail in the coffin of so called “AGW”.

Now when do the massive lawsuits and criminal indictments for worldwide fraud start landing on fat Al Gore’s desk?

That pompous horse’s behind just cannot get off scott free after pulling a swindle like this.


6 posted on 02/11/2010 2:28:12 AM PST by flash2368
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LOL. Hubby and I were discussing this today. He is a biology major. I said it sounds to me like we just all need to plant some trees. He laughed and said it made more sense than cap and tax.


7 posted on 02/11/2010 2:29:19 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Let your yard grow high. Do your part to prevent global warming.


8 posted on 02/11/2010 2:35:18 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LOL. Tried that when we lived in Springfield, Mo. Didn’t go over well. City Hall issued Citation and gave us 5 days to correct or be fined.


9 posted on 02/11/2010 2:38:04 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: flash2368

Al Gore is just riding the same horse that Bernie Madoff and Ken Lay came into town on.

Essentially, pulling something out of thin air this time. And a very small fraction of air at that, to boot.

As far as an agent of climate change, carbon dioxide cannot possibly compare with the simple water molecule. Why isn’t anybody getting into selling “water units”, as that apparently a very scarce and valuable product.


10 posted on 02/11/2010 2:59:11 AM PST by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All

I have a “Yeah but....” question

If the earth absorbes 55% of the CO2 - in the plants and ocean.......how much of it is permanent and how much is not (later re-emitted after decay?)

I presume what they are saying here is the entire 55% is permanent???


11 posted on 02/11/2010 3:14:37 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is not only the enemy of the American people and the capitalism underlying their standard of living, the AGENCY IS THE ENEMY OF ALL PLANT LIFE ON EARTH.

The frauds at the EPA are trying to peddle the monstrous lie that CO2, necessary for all vegetative life, is a pollutant!

My God, that is a scientific fact we learned in elementary school.

We can only hope and pray that Washington DC will be continually battered by vicious weather year-round. The federal employees who work there should be prevented from ever going back to work. These troublemakers, like those at the EPA, are deniers of truth, and of science and would destroy life on the planet if left to their lunacy.

12 posted on 02/11/2010 3:17:30 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority (As Wichita falls so falls Wichita Falls)
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To: greeneyes
I said it sounds to me like we just all need to plant some trees.

Arbor Day is coming up soon.

13 posted on 02/11/2010 3:25:31 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: The Raven
That 55 % enters the normal carbon cycle of life. Which of course means the biosphere will grow. The AGW Worshipers hate all life, not just us apes. At any rate, the economic collapse should have done enough to limit human generated CO2.
14 posted on 02/11/2010 3:29:07 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: The Raven

Now here’s the problem:

Knorr arrived at that figure by relying solely on measurements and statistical data, including historical records extracted from Antarctic ice. He did not rely, as the CRU did, on badly written computer models with built-in fudge factors to direct the data to a foregone conclusion.

Where’s this guy get off actually using real data? It reminds me of a story my younger brother told me about an economics professor he had.

A student asked the professor if he ever tried to apply his theories. The professor answered “Once, but the results weren’t what was expected so I quit doing it.”


15 posted on 02/11/2010 3:44:32 AM PST by Sapper26 (Political Refugee From the Obamanation)
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To: The Raven; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

16 posted on 02/11/2010 3:49:38 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: The Raven

Do not allow yourself to use the recent cold weather as the argument against the climate change groups.....it is no better than pointing to a heatwave as evidence of climate change.

The walls are coming down and the data is clearly showing the lies that were disseminated by scientists who allowed their political beliefs to over-ride facts.

Articles like this are great sources of information we can use. Massive amounts of snow in DC is just as rare as a Cat 5 hurricane hitting New Orleans and does not help either side.


17 posted on 02/11/2010 4:35:35 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: The Raven

HOAX exposed AGAIN.

from the article:

“Another result of this study, reports Anthony Watts at WattsUpWithThat.com, is that emissions from deforestation, caused in large part by the clearing of forest land to grow allegedly planet-saving biofuels, may have been grossly overestimated. This finding agrees with results published in November in the journal Nature Geoscience by a team led by Guido van der Werf from VU University in Amsterdam. It reanalyzed deforestation data and concluded that resulting emissions have been overestimated by a factor of two.

We have tried to help document this growing disparity between observable data and apocalyptic computer models that cannot even predict the past. This post-Climate-gate study provides another nail in the coffin of cap-and-trade and shows why the Environmental Protection Agency should not be allowed to destroy the U.S. economy by absurdly regulating carbon dioxide, the basis for all life on earth, as a pollutant”


18 posted on 02/11/2010 4:55:29 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"Arbor Day is coming up soon."

Yes! Everyone plant a RAT Politician!

19 posted on 02/11/2010 5:49:27 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: HiTech RedNeck; thackney; Miss Marple; Smokin' Joe

If anybody is familiar with oolitic limestone and the concept of equilibrium, they would know how false all this CO2 green house gas BS is BS.


20 posted on 02/11/2010 6:05:12 AM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Redleg Duke

My 10 trees and lilac bush from the Arbor Day Foundation are coming as soon as the snow melts.


21 posted on 02/11/2010 6:38:25 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: greeneyes

That’s been what I’ve been confused about all this time. If there’s too much C02, plant more trees - the grasses, trees, philodendrons, etc all live on CO2. They absorb it, use it, and convert it to Oxygen for us mammals to breathe in. That’s the ECOSYSTEM that God designed.

Of course, dollars to donuts the AGW people don’t believe in God, so the ECOSYSTEM doesn’t work that way for them, and they say we need to just get rid of people. (Thus Planned Parenthood and the millions of abortions world wide).


22 posted on 02/11/2010 7:57:19 AM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: The Raven

Does it really matter? ALL carbon on the earth is here. Any that is ‘locked up’ in oil, trees, natural gas, biomass, etc was once part of the atmosphere and its cycles. We can put no carbon back into the atmosphere that wasn;t once there to begin with at some point.

Carbon in the atmosphere is self regulating in a band that has and will vary over time, depending on so many othe rvariables, that ‘control’ is just a vapor of an idea, much less a possibility. So, if one is concerned about ‘too much CO2” in the air, I would ask, “What is the ‘normal’ concentration for our planet, being as it has varied from highs and lows. What is good? What is bad? Why? And most important, WHAT CAN WE EVEN DO ABOUT IT? It’s like peeing in Lake Superior and worrying that you ‘warmed it up’.


23 posted on 02/11/2010 8:54:45 AM PST by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: Sapper26
Levitt and Dubner (The Freakonomics guys) relate a standing joke among economists:

"Sure, it works in practice, but does it work in theory?"

24 posted on 02/11/2010 9:41:48 AM PST by Erasmus (Buffalo: "I never met an Indian I didn't like, with the possible exception of Deepak Chopra.")
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To: The Raven

i think we should publish all the names of the Global Warming fraud on FR with their emails and all of us should send them a copy of the RICO act and then to the ag in their state.....


25 posted on 02/11/2010 9:42:23 AM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work I am out of work but post 20 a month to this out of WF Check)
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To: flash2368
So the final nail in the coffin of so called “AGW”.

How many nails is that, 147 million?
26 posted on 02/11/2010 9:43:41 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: greeneyes
I said it sounds to me like we just all need to plant some trees.

Even that would be overkill. The vast majority of life on Earth is microscopic, and most of that is in the ocean.
27 posted on 02/11/2010 9:45:37 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: greeneyes
I said it sounds to me like we just all need to plant some trees. He laughed and said it made more sense than cap and tax.

Trees are not permanent carbon storage. They rot. Frankly, perennial grasses put more carbon into the soil, but then we'd need those nasty cattle and sheep to help us out with that one.

The only really significant long-term carbon storage on the planet is in the skeletal calcium carbonate of algae-consuming flagellates, foraminifera in particular, aka "limestone."

28 posted on 02/11/2010 9:46:42 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: The Raven
A single volcano eruption will spew more 'greenhouse gas' into the atmosphere than mankind has in the entire history of civilization. Yet, these volcano eruptions have no lasting long term effect on the climate. When Mount Penitubo erupted in 1991, the Earth cooled for a few weeks, but it eventually got back to normal.

We can observe what happens when a large amount of greenhouse gas is in the atmosphere. Clouds are made of condensed water vapor, which is a much more potent gas than carbon dioxide. Yet, when it's cloudy out, it isn't particularly warm. If global warming theory was accurate, the clouds should act like a blanket, trapping the rays of the sun close to the surface of the Earth, and causing the Earth to get blistering hot. Yet, just the opposite happens, because the clouds also prevent the sun's rays from getting to the Earth in the first place.

Actual greenhouses aren't warm because of the gasses inside. Greenhouses are warm because they don't allow convection. Think of rolling your car windows up on a hot day. The air in the car gets hot. Roll the windows down, and the air in the car will be just as hot as the air outside. The Earth has plenty of convection. It's called "wind".
29 posted on 02/11/2010 9:59:27 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority ("My...health care plan is a Bolshevik plot... which will destroy America." - Barack Obama)
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To: The Raven
6 H2O + 6 CO2 ===> (in the presence of sunlight and chlorophyll) C6H12O6 + 6 O2

The basic carbon sequestration reaction, and essential to most life on Earth.

30 posted on 02/11/2010 10:17:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: The Raven
This made me chuckle for it is so self evident
Growing disparity between observable data and apocalyptic computer models,
But the rebuttal would be that computer models are much smarter than data computed by an individual
31 posted on 02/11/2010 10:19:34 AM PST by wmposh
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To: CPT Clay
Not just in the oolites, but hosts of marine creatures utilize and sequester carbon in their shells made of Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3).

More CO2 could contribute to more phytoplankton, which is the bottom of the food chain, and make the oceans a healthier happier place for bigger critters who dine at some link in the chain.

It is all interconnected, but those interconnections guarantee that the system is self-regulating.

A wonderful design, really.

32 posted on 02/11/2010 10:23:37 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: The Raven
Their is one observation that from fossil fuels emissions that attaches itself to Co2 when absorb in planets and oceans is an adverse pollutant. I heard one scientist say which I do not know if true or not gets into the glaciers and then the weight of it causes it to crack or weakens.
The media will show a huge chunk of ice falling into the ocean to prove global warming. This is to prove the receding of the ice pack. They do not know if this weight could or not be because of fossil fuels or just mother nature Fossil fuels are still a product of earth's decomposition it is it's emissions that are still in question to health and safety
33 posted on 02/11/2010 10:28:14 AM PST by wmposh
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To: The Raven

Are there any believers in AGW left on FR?


34 posted on 02/11/2010 10:46:52 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yep I learned that in earth science back in the early 70’s in middle school.


35 posted on 02/11/2010 12:21:11 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Erik Latranyi
Do not allow yourself to use the recent cold weather as the argument against the climate change groups.....it is no better than pointing to a heatwave as evidence of climate change.

No one really is, they are just throwing crap back in the faces of globalwarmers who cite unusually warm weather as proof of global warming. We have seen that countless times. Even better though, is the video of such a citation, and recent video of the same people citing unusually cold weather as proof of global warming.

They are showing themselves to be completely ridiculous.

36 posted on 02/11/2010 12:34:25 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And they never complain about my morning mouth.
37 posted on 02/11/2010 1:03:30 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: HerrBlucher
The Algore we see is not the one Bush defeated in 2000... CO2, is an issue. He wants to corner the market to ensure he does not run out.
38 posted on 02/11/2010 1:49:02 PM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: wmposh
>>But the rebuttal would be that computer models are much smarter than data computed by an individual

It's a little like the left’s eternal quest for Utopia and fairness. Since it is impossible, they eternally have things to say in a campaign.

It is humorous when the “Warmers” declare the snow and cold as caused by Global Warming.

I wish someone would ask them why they went out of their way to illegally hide these data if it made their case.

39 posted on 02/12/2010 2:36:42 AM PST by The Raven
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To: CPT Clay
Excellent point!

I am interested in the work of Dr. Henry Svenmark. There is a 6-part YouTube copy of a documentary of his work called "The Cloud Mystery" which is an alternative and understandable theory for the warming and cooling of the earth, based on cosmic rays.

There is also a book discussing his theory, called The Chilling Stars.

CO2 isn't involved at all.

40 posted on 02/12/2010 5:02:39 AM PST by Miss Marple
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