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Bus Tunnel Victim Says She Begged Police For Help Before Beating
KIRO TV ^ | February 11, 2010

Posted on 02/11/2010 10:54:38 AM PST by anonsquared

The 15-year-old victim of a beating that took place at the Westlake transit tunnel last month said she pleaded with Seattle police officers to help her get away from a group of people who eventually attacked and robbed her, court documents said.

As surveillance video from the incident revealed that transit security officers stood by while the girl was beaten, more details about what led up to the attack were found in court papers by KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Jeff Dubois Thursday morning.

In the court documents, the victim said Seattle police officers did not help her when she pleaded with them to help her get away from her group of attackers prior to the beating, but police did not help her.

WATCH IT: Victim Says She Asked Police For Help

That same group of people, including a 15-year-old girl seen attacking the victim on surveillance video, later followed the girl into the tunnel where the attack took place, police said.

The mother of the 15-year-old girl accused of robbery and assault in the case defended her daughter, saying the two teens have a history of aggressiveness toward each other, and that her daughter is a good girl who made a bad decision.

WATCH IT: One Suspect's Mom: 'I Can't Feel Sorry For My Daughter'

(Excerpt) Read more at kirotv.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: government; seattle; useless; workers
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Do we need any more proof that government workers are useless?

Fire them all except for the military protecting OUR BORDERS. Give us back all of our tax money and we'll protect ourselves.

1 posted on 02/11/2010 10:54:39 AM PST by anonsquared
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To: anonsquared

Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.

Its not about protection, its about control. They have control and aren’t going to give it up.


2 posted on 02/11/2010 10:56:47 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: anonsquared
Those so-called security workers should be charged as accessories or complicit for allowing it to happen, literally, under their noses.
3 posted on 02/11/2010 10:56:48 AM PST by Mengerian
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To: anonsquared

The victim should own Seattle after she’s done.


4 posted on 02/11/2010 10:57:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: anonsquared

The victim is going to end up with a nice trust fund.

The words I have for the perp and her so-called mother, would get me banned.


5 posted on 02/11/2010 10:57:17 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: anonsquared

I don’t know how those “guards” can live with themselves. Better to do the right thing and end up in the hospital than to have to live with that shame all your life, and then eternity.


6 posted on 02/11/2010 10:58:44 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: anonsquared

I didn’t see any police on that tape.

If there had been? Maybe.
But I wouldn’t bet on it.


7 posted on 02/11/2010 10:59:23 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

Next time, kick one of the security guards in the nuts. They will take you into custody - instead of to the hospital.


8 posted on 02/11/2010 11:01:14 AM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: anonsquared
OK, I'm a little confused. This story was posted from a different source yesterday, but I was under the impression that they were mall security guards who didn't help her. But, this story is saying that they were actually Seattle PD officers.

Does anyone know which story is accurate? If these were cops, she's going to have cause a BIG TIME civil suit.

9 posted on 02/11/2010 11:02:08 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: anonsquared

“transit security officers”

Failed to provide SECURITY. Are they not obligated, at least by job, if not by law, to provide SECURITY?


10 posted on 02/11/2010 11:02:31 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: anonsquared
her daughter is a good girl who made a bad decision.

Riiiiight... I'll bet, according to their mothers, most people in prisons are good boys/girls who made a bad decision.

11 posted on 02/11/2010 11:03:05 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: anonsquared

Amish youth?


12 posted on 02/11/2010 11:04:05 AM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar. ---- "OBAMA: THE GREAT MISTAKE OF 2008")
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To: anonsquared
The mother of the 15-year-old girl accused of robbery and assault in the case defended her daughter, saying the two teens have a history of aggressiveness toward each other, and that her daughter is a good girl who made a bad decision”

Yeah. Like Hitler was a good boy that made a bad decision. Her daughter has all the characteristics of a future armed robber. She should be tried like an adult and put in jail for a very long time.

13 posted on 02/11/2010 11:04:21 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SJSAMPLE
-- I didn't see any police on that tape. --

There's another post that includes a more comprehensive description of the timeline of events. The victim asked police for help, before she went to the tunnel (they refused), and she approached them again after she had been beaten and robbed, and they were not helpful then, either. The cops aren't on tape "being useless," though, so they'll skate.

Tough lesson for many, if not most people. The police and the public have no duty whatsoever to protect you against thugs. NONE, zero. They can stand by and watch, and the only potential ramification is loss of face. That's it.

14 posted on 02/11/2010 11:05:26 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: SmokingJoe
I believe her exact words were:

"My baby dint do nothin!!!"
15 posted on 02/11/2010 11:05:44 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

They did nothing just before this when the whole attack could have been prevented.


16 posted on 02/11/2010 11:05:49 AM PST by anonsquared (TEA PARTY 2010 - THROW 'EM ALL IN THE HARBOR!)
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To: driftdiver

Kix are for Trids!


17 posted on 02/11/2010 11:06:23 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: OldDeckHand

The police officers were in Macy’s or a mall. They ejected th kids and the confrontation was renewed in the transit tunnels. The guards on the camera were the the security guards, not the police.


18 posted on 02/11/2010 11:06:27 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: OldDeckHand
I was under the impression that they were mall security guards who didn't help her. But, this story is saying that they were actually Seattle PD officers.

I think we're talking about two different groups of worthless slugs wearing uniforms. The girl pleaded with police officers before she entered the tunnel. The tunnel is where she was beaten, and where the transit security guards were.


19 posted on 02/11/2010 11:07:12 AM PST by Nick Danger (Free cheese is found only in mousetraps)
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To: OldDeckHand

As per another thread: These kids started picking at her in Macy’s. The police were called and they kicked all the kids out of the store. The others were waiting outside. The victim came back in and begged for help. The cops refused and only led the gang away. The gang followed her to the bus.


20 posted on 02/11/2010 11:07:51 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Kimberly GG
No, the can only “observe and report” They wanted to save money. Next time upgrade to powers to arrest but after the BART cop shot the perp dead you wonder.
21 posted on 02/11/2010 11:07:56 AM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: anonsquared
A disgusting display of weakness, those “men” need to be pilloried and humiliated for such total and complete cowardice.

Since they lacked the testicular fortitude necessary for direct action to protect the teen, the absolute least thing they should have done was physically place themselves between her and her attacker instead of standing by and watching like enthralled herd animals.

Real men are rapidly becoming extinct.

22 posted on 02/11/2010 11:08:25 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: OldDeckHand
-- ... was under the impression that they were mall security guards who didn't help her. But, this story is saying that they were actually Seattle PD officers. --

From what I've read, the girl interacted with both, Seattle PD and the Rent-a-Watcher. Only the Rent-a-Watchers are on tape at the tunnel where the beating and robbery took place. The police refused to accompany her to that location before the beating, and she interacted with Seattle PD again after the beating.

She can sue all she wants, but she'll lose. In order to find negligence, there must first be a duty - and there is none.

23 posted on 02/11/2010 11:08:37 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Actually, police present at the scene, or willfully negligent, can be held liable. Well, their employers (the city, taxpayers) will, anyway.

The USSC rightly protected the police in cases where the police simply weren’t there, or where there were “procedural” mistakes (dispatch, addresses, etc.).

Unfortunately, the decision was vague enough to include simple negligence, with which I disagree.


24 posted on 02/11/2010 11:08:43 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: anonsquared

Where to start...

Where is the Dad? Absentee no doubt.

What good are guards that don’t guard.

Arm the guards and give them authority to use their arms as necessary. Paper tigers are worthless.

Not that girls can’t be strong, but were there NO GUYS in the entire place that could intervene? I take that back. If you do intervene in a fight between 2 private parties in Seattle, you will probably be sued into bankruptcy and end up booked for assault yourself.

Just another minor event seen from a front row seat by people watching the Death of Western Civilization in real time. We are truly well and doomed.


25 posted on 02/11/2010 11:09:09 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: anonsquared

To protect and serve the donuts.


26 posted on 02/11/2010 11:09:11 AM PST by cajuncow
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To: OldDeckHand

These security guards are from Transit working for a private firm. They are under orders to observe and report only and not to intervene. Liberal insanity!


27 posted on 02/11/2010 11:09:14 AM PST by nd2bfree
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To: anonsquared

Then of course there was this jail guard here in Seattle that beat up a 15yo girl in her cell ... there was video on it ... still don’t know the court outcome of it all ...


28 posted on 02/11/2010 11:09:14 AM PST by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: OldDeckHand
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/415247_tunnel10.html
29 posted on 02/11/2010 11:09:49 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: HerrBlucher

i do


30 posted on 02/11/2010 11:09:59 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Where is the Dad? This is how perps get to be perps. No dad, no discipline, frustrated or lax mother.


31 posted on 02/11/2010 11:10:09 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Depression Countdown: 48... 47... 46...)
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To: dfwgator

“The victim should own Seattle after she’s done.”

I am not too sure of that. Incredibly, some states require that there be a ‘special relationship” between the victim and the ‘officer’. That is, something the ‘officer’ did or said that makes the victim think that the ‘officer’ will help or protect her.

Ignoring an assault right in front of the guard might not support civil liability.


32 posted on 02/11/2010 11:10:50 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (Principled Conservatism in 2010 and 2012 * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: Mark was here
Amish youth?

More like future Obama voters. Or current, in the case of the security personnel.

33 posted on 02/11/2010 11:12:05 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (Alinsky's values aren't American values.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
-- Actually, police present at the scene, or willfully negligent, can be held liable. Well, their employers (the city, taxpayers) will, anyway. --

I haven't studied the "failure to act" cases. Usually liability attaches on over-acting, not under-acting. In the under-acting cases (non-response to 911 call; Columbine; etc.), the courts have uniformly held that the police have no duty to protect. I'd like to read a case that found a duty, and expressed what that was/is.

34 posted on 02/11/2010 11:13:21 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: anonsquared
Do we need any more proof that government workers are useless?

Well...no...but this isn't it anyway. They are (should be were) employees of a private security firm. Not Gubmint employees.

35 posted on 02/11/2010 11:15:07 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Cboldt

Apparently, the girl was being bullied in the store and the police threw her out into their hands, into an unprotected area. They did intervene, and they made it worse. I think this would be a reasonable basis to hold them liable legally, under a negligence or recklessness standard.


36 posted on 02/11/2010 11:15:17 AM PST by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: Little Ray
"The police officers were in Macy’s or a mall. They ejected th kids and the confrontation was renewed in the transit tunnels. The guards on the camera were the the security guards, not the police."

Ah, that makes sense. She could have two causes for separate action.

37 posted on 02/11/2010 11:15:19 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Cboldt

Again, the police did act, according to the posts above. The girl was being harassed in the store and the police made her leave along with the rest of them, into an area without any police. She pleaded with them not to do this, but they did it anyway.


38 posted on 02/11/2010 11:16:23 AM PST by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: Piranha
"They did intervene, and they made it worse. I think this would be a reasonable basis to hold them liable legally, under a negligence or recklessness standard."

I think this is right. "Failure to act" is a fluid area of law, while most such claims don't prevail, there are some exceptions. And, as you point out, they did act, just not appropriately. My guess is the city would settle rather than taking their chances with a jury.

39 posted on 02/11/2010 11:17:59 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Kimberly GG

My husband says that the “security” they are hired to supply is for observation purposes ONLY. They are to REPORT and OBSERVE. Ever hear of an employee of 7/11 who get fired after trying to stop a robbery. They are supposed to NOT fight, hand over the money, then REPORT the robbery. Some people are more terrified of losing their jobs than putting themselves in harms way to assist someone in danger.

Myself, I’d toss the job, and help. I couldn’t live with myself otherwise....


40 posted on 02/11/2010 11:20:19 AM PST by yellowroses (a Yankee in Texas)
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To: Mengerian

I’m certain we will be seeing many more ‘Bernie Goetz’ situations occurring in the future as the population becomes aware that the ONLY protection one will receive is from the firearm one is carrying.

Shoot to kill and let the lawyers sort it out.


41 posted on 02/11/2010 11:21:47 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Piranha
-- the girl was being bullied in the store and the police threw her out into their hands, into an unprotected area. They did intervene, and they made it worse. I think this would be a reasonable basis to hold them liable legally, under a negligence or recklessness standard. --

You make a fair argument, but it won't carry the day. The place they "threw here into" was a public street, that had no sign of imminent danger. As far as they were concerned, they were not putting her in harms way. It is not reasonable to hold them to prescience, or to judge them with the benefit of hindsight. IOW, had nothing happened (which is the case the majority of the time), the same action would NOT have "made it worse."

The law is very stingy about assigning duty to itself.

42 posted on 02/11/2010 11:23:16 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: SmokingJoe

When I was a kid parents were held responsible for the actions of their children. Not just financially, but also criminally.

If a kid was continually in trouble, the judge had the option to jail the parent and the child. Parents of kids who were always in trouble could give up their parental rights and turn the kid over to the state. The kid would then end up at Audy Home. The other option if they were teens was to sign them over to the Army. Many judges gave the choice - Army or prison?


43 posted on 02/11/2010 11:23:19 AM PST by anonsquared (TEA PARTY 2010 - THROW 'EM ALL IN THE HARBOR!)
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To: OldDeckHand
I listened to the KIRO TV video carefully. The KIRO reporter in the video said that the girl approached Seattle Police Officers and begged for their help. She pleaded with these officers to help her get away from the crowd of kids coming after her. Then she went down into the bus terminal where the same thing happened with the Metro rent-a-guards. She begged for their help and we saw what happened.
44 posted on 02/11/2010 11:23:55 AM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fascism.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

The useless government employees - police - did nothing before the altercation on the platform. That is not on tape. Read all the articles.


45 posted on 02/11/2010 11:24:55 AM PST by anonsquared (TEA PARTY 2010 - THROW 'EM ALL IN THE HARBOR!)
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To: anonsquared
I couldn't just stand there and watch something like that, even if it meant getting my own butt kicked. I don't know how anyone who calls himself a man could not try to do something.

I went to school with the average mix of kids, some of them were pretty mean, but I never saw this business of 5 or 6 or 10 against 1, and stomping on their head when they are down.

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"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe".

Thomas Jefferson

46 posted on 02/11/2010 11:26:40 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Isn’t that the truth. If I recall, the “system” subsequently went after Getz for merely defending himself.


47 posted on 02/11/2010 11:27:31 AM PST by Mengerian
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To: Cboldt

Cboldt, I disagree. I think there was a sign of imminent danger and they knew, or should have known, that they were putting her in harms way. Not only was she being harassed inside the store, which in itself might be sufficient, but according to the earlier posts she actually pleaded with the police not to put her out there with them because of her own fears for her safety. The police would have determined that those fears were well-founded in light of the way that she was being abused inside the store.


48 posted on 02/11/2010 11:29:08 AM PST by Piranha (Obama won like Bernie Madoff attracted investors: by lying about his values, policy and plans.)
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To: t1b8zs

Ok, how?


49 posted on 02/11/2010 11:31:18 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Better yet...
Shoot to kill and don’t leave any witnesses.


50 posted on 02/11/2010 11:31:41 AM PST by anonsquared (TEA PARTY 2010 - THROW 'EM ALL IN THE HARBOR!)
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