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Why Did Rome Fall—And Why Does It Matter Now? [Victor Davis Hanson]
pajamasmedia.com ^ | February 11, 2010 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/12/2010 5:58:58 AM PST by Tolik

Count the ways

A German scholar twenty years ago listed, I recall, some 210 reasons for the collapse of the Western empire. Readers, you have heard many of them, plausible and otherwise—corruption, civil strife, Germanic barbarians, Christianity, lead in the pipes of the elite, etc.

Any such discussion is also predicated on two other twists: the Eastern Empire at Constantinople went on for nearly another 1,000 years until the 1453 sack by the Ottomans. And for the last twenty years, revisionists have disputed Gibbon’s notion of a dramatic “fall” in the West, and argued instead that it was a “transition” as the “barbarian” “other” was insidiously assimilated into what would emerge in the latter Dark Ages as “Europeans”.

The East certainly had more defensible borders with the Danube and the Hellespont. Constantinople was far better fortified naturally and artificially than was Rome; the defense of Byzantium could rely to a greater degree on naval forces. And greater wealth was to be had in Asia and Egypt than in the northwestern provinces.

How could Christianity have caused the Western ‘fall’ when a very Christian East survived? (So I postpone here discussion of that crux of why the East enjoyed another 1000 years (e.g., larger population, greater wealth, less civil strife, more defensible borders, fewer Germanic enemies, etc.), given it shared many of the same pathologies of culture as the West.)

Them and us

My concern, however, is instead with the indisputable decline in material culture in Britain, Iberia, Gaul, Italy and North Africa from the 4th-5th century AD onward, with the end of strong government that had resulted in everything from secure borders to internal calm (the sort of world that St. Augustine in Tunisia saw ending at his death).

Rather than rehash Gibbon, or review the spate of recent books on Rome’s decline and our own supposed end, I throw out a few general notions.

Luxus

The Romans themselves by the first century AD (cf. Horace to Livy to Petronius to Juvenal) felt that the enormous influx of unearned wealth from conquered provinces had undermined the old republican virtues of small farmers and merchants (e.g. the old yeoman with four kids and a wife on five acres of grain now either devolved into the urban unemployed spectator in the Coliseum at Rome on the dole or evolved into the sterile estate owner with 50 slaves and 200 acres of wine grapes and an expensive pasture with a herd of beef cows.)

So the rise of latifundia, and the influx of unheard of wealth and slaves, gradually, in the ancients’ own view, created a dependent class on the dole and corruption among the elite. “Decline” as seen in the ancient mind was not inevitable, and was almost seen as a moral question—material progress resulting in ethical regress.

A Pretty Slow Fall

Yet Rome did not fall for four centuries after its moralists wrote of its decadence and decline. Why the resilience?

Entitlements and official corruption were for centuries subsidized by the profits accruing from global standardization and Romanization—brought about by the implementation and imposition of Roman law, order, and commerce throughout the Mediterranean. As long as the empire was cohesive, it brought in thousands yearly into its sphere of influence.

Those from the Black Sea to the Nile and from Portugal to Iraq were now subject to habeas corpus, a standard official language, regularization in weights and measures, and security on roads and the seas. The centuries-long result of such Romanization is easily discerned in the later historians from Ammianus to Zosimus, who remarked on both widening prosperity and a persistent moral crisis, rather than the dangers of material impoverishment.

We Are All Romans Now

So such global uniformity created real wealth in newfound places faster than such bounty could corrupt the citizens in the old Italian core to the degree to bring down what was now a world system. In other words, the creation of entirely new cities like Leptis or the growth of Asian centers such as Ephesus, brought previously unproductive tribal folk into the Roman system at precisely the time old Romans were no longer doing the things that had once created their own vibrant culture that swept the Mediterranean—the ancient version of the Chinese youth working 10 hours in an Adidas factory while an American counterpart is still “finding himself.”

One can see the resultant transition in the center of power— emperors mostly were born in the provinces, wealth centers were increasingly found in Asia and Africa, and good soldiers were no longer native Latin-speakers. The West taught the East, and the East soon became not only the more productive hemisphere of the empire, but also the more enthusiastic upholder of being Roman itself.

Petronius’s Satyricon (ca. AD 60) is a glimpse into the world of tough-minded Asian immigrants who had created fortunes in business—and who were desperately (and crudely) trying to buy into the snotty aristocratic and bankrupt world of fossilized Old Rome.

Americanization

The point? We see something like this today. What made American culture boom through much of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries were traditional American values like the Protestant work ethic, family thrift, limited and stable government, equality of opportunity rather than result, lower taxes, personal freedom, opportunity for advancement and profit, and faith in American exceptionalism.

But the cloning and spreading of this system after WWII (“globalization”) did two things: literally billions of non-Westerners adopted the Western mode of production and began, in economic terms, becoming far more productive in creating valuable manufacturing goods, food, and exporting previously unknown or untapped natural resources; in addition, the vast rise in population added billions to the world’s productive work force.

Two, this influx of imported goods and inclusion of hundreds of millions into the American orbit enriched the United States in unimaginable ways. In my own life, the very notion that I would have a tooth implant rather than one of my grandfather’s poorly constructed false teeth is mind-boggling. We once huddled around a 19-inch fuzzy black and white TV to watch 4 days of the JFK funeral in 1963 in a small 800 square foot house; now today I have 2 plasma 500-chanel cable TVs. Poverty, as I saw it as a boy in Selma in 1960, might be defined by occasional homes with outhouses in the back yard, gravel rural roads, no TVs and rampant illiteracy among those over 30.

Today, the “poor” as I see them daily at Wal-Mart and Food-4-Less in Selma (a poor town in a poor county in poor central California) buy blue-ray DVD players, have to buy food-stamp subsidized sirloin rather than rib-eye (as I can attest watching 5 carts ahead of me in line tonight), and drive used 2000 Tahoes and 2001 Yukons rather 2010 Honda Accords. Government subsidies for housing, food, transportation, etc., coupled with cheap Chinese and Indian imported consumer goods, have for a time been substituted for the old manufacturing jobs or resource-based work (e.g., we don’t make steel, we increasingly curtail farming, we don’t drill, etc.). In other words, we are enjoying a lifestyle undreamed of by our grandparents who had values quite different from our own—a result of globalization, advances in technology, and massive borrowing and debt.

The Tab

But as in the case of Rome, there is a price for all these sudden riches. Just as the Iberians, and Libyans and Thracians were hungrier and more enterprising than Italians back in the bay of Naples, so too we, the beneficiaries of this wealth, lost the values that were at its heart, in a way that the Indians, Chinese, and others have not–yet. Our youth in schools are not so excited by the notion of creating 100 new nuclear power plants, creating new mountain reservoirs, building new railroads and highways, or eager to rebuild the steel industry, or dreaming of increasing food production or eager to mine more ores—instead the emphasis in our schools is more on race/class/gender engineering, regulation, redistribution, etc, all of which in classical terms is not necessarily wealth creation.

We are now borrowing nearly $2 trillion a year to do things like ensure the 84-year old has a hip replacement—nearly half of it from the Chinese where 400 million have never been to a Westernized doctor. We spend $45,000 to incarcerate the felon in California, to meet utopian court-ordered mandates. As imperial Romans, we are felt to be owed a standard of living, even as our own daily habits would no longer necessarily translate into such largess, even as those on the periphery have learned what made America so wealthy from 1950 to 1990.

Where does it all end? I have no idea, but offer only competing scenarios: 1) as our debt becomes unsustainable, we react and increase the retirement age, cut spending and entitlements radically, and renew our work ethic (impossible by choice, made possible by necessity), and enjoy a renaissance; 2) we become a UK-like museum, with witty cynical observers, as the new giants in Asia produce the next Microsoft, Exxon, and Ford, and we fade; 3) India and China discover that they too have a rendezvous with suburban blues, environmentalism, consumer regulation, and a pampered citizenry, and there is some sort of shared global postmodernism.

We inherited a wonderful infrastructure from our parents. A superb system of politics and economics was likewise given to us at birth. Many of us try to copy our grandparents and parents whose values and work ethic we increasingly eulogize. But against all that is that Roman notion of luxus, untold wealth and leisure that we see juxtaposed with shrill cries and accusations that we are too poor, exploited, and in need of someone else’s income. The wealthier we become, the louder and angrier we become that we are not even more wealthy.

In short, what ruined Rome in the West? Lots of things. But clearly the pernicious effects of affluence and laxity warped Roman sensibility and created a culture of entitlement that was not justified by revenues or the creation of actual commensurate wealth—and the resulting debits, inflation, debased currency, and gradual state impoverishment gave the far more vulnerable western empire far less margin of error when barbarians arrived, or rival generals marched on Rome. For a while the Romanization of the wider Mediterranean subsidized this ennui, but eventually the old western and southern provinces neither could protect what they had created nor could continue to be as productive as in the past nor believed that being Roman was any better than the alternative.

A State of Mind

The strange thing is that these wild swings in civilization are at their bases psychological: decline is one of choice rather than necessity. Plague or lead poisoning or famine did not destroy Rome. We could balance our budget tomorrow without a great deal of sacrifice; we could eliminate 10% worth of government spending that is not essential; we could create our own energy with massive nuclear power investment, and more extraction of gas, oil, and coal. We could instill a tragic rather than therapeutic world view that would mean more responsibilities rather than endlessly more rights. We could do this all right—but too many feel such medicine is worse than the malady, and so we probably won’t and can’t. An enjoyable slow decline is apparently  preferable to a short, but painful rethinking and rebirth.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: americanempire; crisisofthe3rdc; godsgravesglyphs; history; romanempire; rome; statism; vdh; victordavishanson; welfarestate
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To: Tolik

I think VDH is aware of some new studies that essentially pin most of the blame for Rome’s fall on the decline of the military, both in terms of training, funding, and above all, cohesion by allowing in mercenary units.


41 posted on 02/12/2010 8:26:24 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Paradox
Socialism, or rather, the type of cultural thinking, decline, and weakness that Socialism brings.

I think VDH's point would be that socialism is the symptom, rather than the cause, of the decline.

In our case, there is an understandable belief that our incredible wealth carries with it a duty toward those who are less fortunate. And to an extent that is correct.

The pernicious part comes when our sense of duty is coupled with a tolerance of, and making excuses for, the abdication of responsibility on the part of those whom our duty calls on us to help. And along with that, there is the expectation on the part of those "helped," that they deserve such help, without questions or requirements.

Add in also the fact that our wealth has given us tremendous leisure time, and the ability to spend money on expensive pursuits and toys and gear for our kids ... and the kids begin to have expectations of deserving rather than earning.

Now you can add in folks who are ardent enough on the topic to make such considerations a governmental issue -- that's where the socialism comes in. But it's only enabled by that cultural sense and expectation of "deserving" help, rather than earning it.

42 posted on 02/12/2010 8:27:29 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Tolik; NattieShea; PowerBaby
Liberty Follows Virtue: How Personal Values Ordained the Rise and Fall of Rome

By FReepers NattieShea and PowerBaby

43 posted on 02/12/2010 8:34:37 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Tolik

How ‘bout this? Within a generation of the Marian reforms, the Roman Army invaded Rome at least twice [I think three times]. The Roman Army, even with good emperors had to be bought. It both held the state together, and, increasingly, tore it apart, with various armies and legions proclaiming [for a good payday] their general as ‘Caesar’.

And by the late Empire, Romans were not stepping up to serve in the Roman Army. Increasingly, barbarians were, sometimes in whole tribal units [ Alaric was a Roman general, and Chief of the Visigoths]. This had three serious effects for the Western Roman Empire. First, the barbarians learned the Roman military system. Second, the same group that defended the Empire was best positioned to bring it down. Third, they had learned the Roman Army’s tradition of interfering in the government of Rome for personal benefit, and of being separate, both in allegiance and outlook, to the society they were to defend. And when the politicians didn’t pony up the lands and other ‘gifts’ on their lists, the tribes took matters into their own hands.


44 posted on 02/12/2010 8:39:03 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Joe 6-pack

VDH Bump. Always worth reading.


45 posted on 02/12/2010 8:40:27 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Sudetenland

“Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions. … Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the ‘new, wonderful good society’ which shall now be Rome’s, interpreted to mean ‘more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.’” –Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 B.C.)


46 posted on 02/12/2010 8:51:33 AM PST by griswold3 (You think health care is expensive now? Just wait till it's FREE!)
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To: Tolik

Mixed up in all of this, especially in Europe, has to be the decline in birth rate (to native stock) (which at least in part stems from a loss of serious, demanding religion). As has been observed (Mark Steyn among others), how do you convince a retired childless couple that their government benefits should be cut for the future benefit of unrelated future generations of countrymen? The US birthrate is higher than Europe’s but the concept is the same. Along the same lines is the decline of the family, by which perceived obligations to future generations are also strained.


47 posted on 02/12/2010 8:52:45 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: r9etb
But it's only enabled by that cultural sense and expectation of "deserving" help, rather than earning it.

I'd agree with that. I also think that socialism eventually "creeps up" the socio-economic latter, to the point where virtually everyone believes they are entitled to things, either material goods, or "lifestyle" choices. Then decadence and sloth set in, a kind of cultural malaise. You have fewer and fewer Peters to rob from.

48 posted on 02/12/2010 8:52:51 AM PST by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Excellent adddition to the historical lesson from the article. Thanks for sharing it!!

(And would you agree that today's parallels for the Blues and the Greens would be the Blacks and the Greens?)

49 posted on 02/12/2010 8:56:16 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The Danube was no barrier. The Goths crossed it with ease, and the Bulgars used it to hit the Byzantines time and time again.

And really, they didn't have more defensible borders at all. What they did have was enough riches to buy mercenary armies to defend them, and to bribe hostile barbarian hordes into heading West. And later, they had a heartland (Thrace, Isauria, and Anatolia) where hearty warriors could still be recruited internally in large numbers.

The West had none of these luxuries. The western heartland (Italy, Africa, Gaul) had been steadily denuded of its warrior class during the crises of the 3rd and 4th centuries. The massive western armies that went east under Constantine and Julian in the 4th century could no longer be raised by the 5th.
50 posted on 02/12/2010 8:58:11 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Isn’t it fascinating how Roman politics became so inextricably tied to sports? The Blues, Greens, Reds, and Whites were chariot racing teams. It would be as if todays Republicans and Democrats were instead called Cowboys and Steelers.


51 posted on 02/12/2010 9:08:02 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Tolik

Terrific article. Worth reading and re-reading. Perhaps VDH should be the one running for Senate from CA. He’d be sending everyone to their dictionareis, for sure.


52 posted on 02/12/2010 9:11:56 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Monterrosa-24

Speaking from my neck of the woods, the descendants of the proletariat who used to provide un and semi-skilled laborers in the factories of Newark, Paterson, Brooklyn, etc. who did NOT end up with advanced degrees and white collar jobs are now largely employed, directly or indirectly (via contracts for waste disposal, construction, etc.) by the state and local governments, which is why NY and NJ teeter on bankruptcy.


53 posted on 02/12/2010 9:12:43 AM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Stingray51

I would say post-industrial economics, a radically declining infant mortality rate, and increased life spans have a lot more to do with the declining birth rate than a decline in religiosity. Having large numbers of children simply isn’t economically feasible or desirable in a modern economy - you can’t put them to work (it’s illegal and their labor isn’t worth much anyway), and it is very expensive to raise them for 20 years with a high standard of living and with the degree of education required by our economy.

Having large numbers of children in the West is almost always subsidized by the welfare state. That means it probably isn’t rational behavior for our society - not unless you’d rather go back to an economy where most of us do menial work in factories and on farms.


54 posted on 02/12/2010 9:49:03 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Great stuff, and thanks for posting it. Theodora was a serious butt-kicker and one of the most interesting women in all of ancient history. I shall defer to my Orthodox brethren and merely whisper that in Procopius's telling she was very, very far from a saint. Not that he didn't have any vested interests...

This topic is the stuff of entire books, entire academic careers. One must remember a couple of things about the Western Empire - Rome had already been sacked by the Visigoths under Alaric in 410 some sixty-six years before the nominal "fall" under Odoacer. Both of those leaders considered themselves Romans by virtue of service, which was the original requirement for Roman citizenship back in the long-gone (and highly romanticized) days of the Republic. By that measure they were better Romans than the inert sloths populating the city.

Rome, and the Roman mob, had become so entirely dependent on external sources for its very bread that when the grain fields fell to the Vandals and Ostium was cut off from the city, the thing was over no matter what happened at the gates. And not much had happened at the gates since the times of Hannibal.

The focus of activity stayed away from Rome until Justinian sent first Belisarius, and then Narses, to take the place back from the Goths. It ended up in the hands of a strange sect called the Christians, but I don't know whatever happened to them...

55 posted on 02/12/2010 9:58:54 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: LS

In the latter stages of the Empire, Roman citizens simply weren’t willing to defend their world at the cost of shedding their own blood. So they hired mercenaries - and then often refused to pay them. Oops.


56 posted on 02/12/2010 10:06:50 AM PST by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: PzLdr

What you said!


57 posted on 02/12/2010 10:07:44 AM PST by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Billthedrill

Well, Rome had been in the hands of Christians for well over a century by then. Both the Byzantines attacking Rome (including Justinian, Belisarius, and Narses) and the Goths occupying it (including Odoacer and his predecessor Alaric) were Christian, as were the Western Roman emperors from whom the Goths took the city.


58 posted on 02/12/2010 10:12:38 AM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Tolik

After decades of civil war, they let in the Goths, abused them, and then used them as mercenaries.


59 posted on 02/12/2010 10:14:01 AM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: The Pack Knight

That was supposed to be a joke. Sorry.


60 posted on 02/12/2010 10:22:33 AM PST by Billthedrill
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