Secession as a Solution to the Washington Debt Threat

Whiskey and Gunpowder ^ | Feb 11, 2010 | RON HOLLAND

[panzerkamphwageneinz]

Only problem, all states are as corrupt as the Federal Government and many are even more so.

you can march on Baton Rouge, I can’t march on D.C.

[aberaussie]

bttt

[central_va]

This was posted yesterday on another thread about secession by myself6. I think he does a great job stating the problem:

The states are not the issue. The governments of the blue states are not the issue. The federal government itself is not the issue. What and who we are seceding from are the PEOPLE who vote for socialists. The People who teach our kids socialism in school. The PEOPLE, who DEPEND upon socialism for their life styles. Its the PEOPLE who have put these chains on us and it is they who feed off of us by electing politicians who are willing to do their dirty work. Im not sure why you think we would be “throwing away” anything. We have to start somewhere, and you usually start where you can. Once we have a secure foundation we can build upon it... That may mean welcoming in “territories” of people who wish to be free of their “fellow citizens” addiction to their “blood”. Or even entire states of people who were just waiting to see if the scary stories they were being told by the media were true or not.

[wolfcreek]

For those who might of missed this thread. Lond-winded discussions on nullification/seccession.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2446232/posts

[Jack Black]

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[Jacquerie]

Under the Articles there was hardly a government at all.

Without a judiciary, the Articles could not address maritime causes or disputes between states.

The Revolutionary War had left many of the colonies very much in debt. Money had been borrowed to pay for troops and weapons. When states tried to pay back these debts, they used Continentals (paper money printed by the Confederation Congress during the Revolutionary War), but not too many people wanted these Continentals anymore. People trusted gold and silver because they had value in other countries. Also, since each state was printing its own money, disputes arose over whether Pennsylvania bills were equal to North Carolina bills.

States were imposing tariffs on the importation of goods from other states. This open violation of the Articles could not be prevented by Congress and greatly hampered trade and commerce.

The Confederation Congress, as restricted by the Articles of Confederation, could not raise taxes. In very real terms, the nation's first national government was not enough of a government for the current world situation. Congress could ask for taxes from the states but not force payment.

A more frightening reminder of how powerless the national government was Shays's Rebellion, in which farmers refused to pay taxes and took up arms to protect their right not to pay those taxes. The national government called out the federal militia and stopped the rebellion, but the entire episode made very clear the fact that a stronger national government was needed.

British troops continued to occupy frontier forts and areas that were supposed to be transformed to the US because the Confederation government could not force payment of prewar debts as set forth in the peace treaty. British foreign policy through the 19th century was one of containment of the US.

There was open talk of regional confederacies and worry that some states would rejoin Britain.

States could decide to not attend Congress. Without a quorum no business could be done.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

If the U.S. military nuked a state of the Union, this country would cease to exist in an all-out conflagration that no force or person could stop. It would be man-to-man, block by block.

The bloodshed would be like nothing we have ever seen.

Such a blow by the government would convince millions of us there would be no reason to live in such a society. Better to die fighting for something than to allow tyranny to enslave and crush our liberties.

[x]

The first secession was a product of anti-southern tariff taxes resulting in the Southern states paying the majority of the revenue to fund the distant federal government. A mistaken defense of the dying institution of slavery by slaveholding elites in the South also contributed to the failed secession effort. Third, the advancement of corporate manufacturing profits and railroad expansionism by the Northeastern establishment elites were a major contributor. Finally the promotion of a conflict by the European Rothschild banking interests funding both the Northern abolitionists and the Southern secessionists guaranteed a violent breakup of what should have been a peaceful parting of the states.

Sheer cussed kookiness, like the kind expressed in the above paragraph also played a big part.

[Non-Sequitur]

The first secession was a product of anti-southern tariff taxes resulting in the Southern states paying the majority of the revenue to fund the distant federal government.

Not if the rest of it is as inaccurate as this part is.

[Jack Black]

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[Arthur McGowan]

It says something about the American people that virtually no one has ever mentioned secession as the proper response to Roe v. Wade—resulting in the murder of 55 million babies—yet secession is a popular topic when what is at risk is money.

[Arthur McGowan]

Wait, wait...Your money’s not here...It’s in Joe’s house, and the Kennedy house, and Mrs. Maitland’s house...I beg you not to do this thing. Don’t you see what’s happening?...Potter isn’t selling...Potter’s buying.