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Live U.S Senate Kentucky Debate thread
UStream TV ^ | 13th Feb | GOP

Posted on 02/13/2010 10:22:56 AM PST by takecontrol

Live Kentucky Senatorial Debate. Can Rand Paul maintain momentum and handle the pressure of front runner? find out this afternoon in the live debate for the Republican nomination for U.S Senate in the state of Kentucky.

This is the live thread, hopefully the stream works!

(Excerpt) Read more at ustream.tv ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: debate; kentucky; ky2010; medinasyndrome; randpaul; treygrayson

1 posted on 02/13/2010 10:22:56 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

supposed to start at 12:30pm CST


2 posted on 02/13/2010 10:23:30 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

stream is up, working for anyone else?


3 posted on 02/13/2010 10:24:41 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

it’s working at least and they look on schedule... testing 1,2,3


4 posted on 02/13/2010 10:26:57 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol
Will Rand answer why he is a regular guest on the radio show of 9/11 Truther Alex Jones? Didn't think so.

Bill Johnson for US Senate

5 posted on 02/13/2010 10:27:19 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: Falcon28

Lame


6 posted on 02/13/2010 10:27:52 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

stream just died ! call the police


7 posted on 02/13/2010 10:28:36 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol
There's a great response. A mighty rational and sound argument you present.
8 posted on 02/13/2010 10:28:55 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: Falcon28

stream is back. pledge of allegiance


9 posted on 02/13/2010 10:31:44 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

Amen!


10 posted on 02/13/2010 10:34:09 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

stream keeps going off :(


11 posted on 02/13/2010 10:35:45 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol

Rand just knocked it out the park in his opening statement


12 posted on 02/13/2010 10:43:17 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: Falcon28
Paul doesn't support Jones or the Truther movement.

Going on Alex Jones is no different than going on Chris Mathews' or Keith Olbermann's show.

13 posted on 02/13/2010 10:50:45 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Your wallet: Where Democrats want to drill)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I would argue Mathews is even more extreme.


14 posted on 02/13/2010 10:58:57 AM PST by takecontrol
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Alex Jones is the biggest 9/11 Truther in the country. Why would Rand choose to go on his radio show on a regular basis. Rand proudly excepted Jones’ endorsement. That’s a whole lot different than going on Matthew’s or Olbermann’s show to debate the issues. A whole lot different.


15 posted on 02/13/2010 11:01:50 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: Falcon28

As soon as Mr. Johnson said that he supports the PATRIOT Act I lost all interest in him. I thought that he was a strong defender of the Constitution (despite the fact that I support Rand Paul)...but I guess I was wrong.


16 posted on 02/13/2010 11:02:25 AM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: Falcon28
Jones is a nationally-syndicated radio host.
If Obama went on Rush's show, would it make him agreeable to conservatism?
The questions Jones asked of Paul (both Pauls, BTW) had nothing to do with Trutherism or 9/11 they were more about privacy rights, foreign policy, and libertarianism. BTW, both Pauls have rejected Trutherism and the elder Paul has publicly stated he doesn't agree with Jones' views.
I personally wouldn't appear on Jones' show if you paid me. But if Rand feels that he can reach a wider audience of potential voters by appearing on his show, that's his prerogative.
17 posted on 02/13/2010 11:10:02 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Your wallet: Where Democrats want to drill)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Didn't you tell me you rejected Ron Paul?

Don't tell me you support Rand Paul?

Its a distinction without a difference.

18 posted on 02/13/2010 11:19:08 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Falcon28

Going on a show doesn’t mean one adheres to the beliefs of the host. Rand Paul is not a truther and it is disengenuous to suggest so. If anything he has disappointed some of his fathers faithful because he refuses to take the isolationist stance of his father.


19 posted on 02/13/2010 11:19:36 AM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: Falcon28

It really isn’t different most of the nutty leftists are truthers. Rand has never professed to being one. He is a passionate well spoken proponent of liberty and conservatism. I trust him to stand not just against liberals but also against big government Republicanism.


20 posted on 02/13/2010 11:24:12 AM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: Reagan Man
Rand Paul is not his father. He supports a strong national defense and foreign policy, for starters.

I support Rand Paul for Senate. We need more small government libertarians in the GOP.

21 posted on 02/13/2010 11:27:15 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Your wallet: Where Democrats want to drill)
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To: Maelstorm

But Rand Paul did announce his candidacy on the Rachel Maddow show. A strange forum for someone seeking the Republican nomination.


22 posted on 02/13/2010 11:28:40 AM PST by Parmenio
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>>Rand Paul is not his father. He supports a strong national defense and foreign policy, for starters.

LOL

From the Alex Jones Radio Show, May. 21, 2009

Question:"You're basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?"

Rand Paul: "I'd say we'd be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently.. I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary."

Come on! Rand Paul is against the Patriot Act, enhanced interrogation, FISA and opposes US involvement in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In May 2009 Paul wanted Gitmo closed. In Nov 2009 he said Gitmo should be left open. Flip-flop. Ron and Rand Paul are two anti-military, foreign policy kooks, unfit to serve America in Congress.

23 posted on 02/13/2010 11:34:06 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: takecontrol

Question #1 for Rand - Do you think 9-11 was an inside job?


24 posted on 02/13/2010 11:38:55 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Being a regular guest on a guy's show who routinely pronounces that the US Government murdered 3000 of it's own people is not something a rationale person does. Rush and Obama disagree on politics, but Rush has not promoted the insanity that the gov’t murdered 3000 citizens. If the Paul's reject Trutherism, than stop going on his show; and stop excepting his(Jones) endorsement.

Clearly, we are not going to agree on this issue. I'll be supporting Bill Johnson, but to each his own.

25 posted on 02/13/2010 11:40:34 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
We need more small government libertarians conservatives in the GOP.

FIFY

26 posted on 02/13/2010 11:41:00 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: takecontrol

Does anyone have any idea why that one guy was lead out of the auditorium by police early in the debate? It looked like he was an elderly white guy, & I wonder what he said before being escorted out by the cops.


27 posted on 02/13/2010 11:41:15 AM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: Maelstorm
Going on a show doesn’t mean one adheres to the beliefs of the host

Does proudly excepting the endorsement of said host do so?

28 posted on 02/13/2010 11:43:49 AM PST by Falcon28
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Libertarianism is the backbone of conservatism, bub.


29 posted on 02/13/2010 12:06:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Your wallet: Where Democrats want to drill)
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To: Falcon28
I'll be supporting Bill Johnson

Thanks for help electing Grayson.

30 posted on 02/13/2010 12:07:21 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Your wallet: Where Democrats want to drill)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Libertarianism is the backbone of conservatism, bub.

Funny, and here I thought conservatism was the backbone of conservatism! Silly me.

31 posted on 02/13/2010 12:09:07 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: takecontrol
Good debate.
Three good candidates. The Republican Party is lucky to have them.
32 posted on 02/13/2010 12:22:47 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Thanks for help electing Grayson

Or, maybe if conservatives would drop their non-sensical support of Rand, they could all unite behind Bill Johnson, and give Grayson the boot. But, that makes way too much sense.

33 posted on 02/13/2010 1:08:38 PM PST by Falcon28
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To: Falcon28; Reagan Man

Watched the whole thing, and I think Bill Johnson did great. His intrinsic sincerity and passion for this country came through well as it always does.

Rand Paul was angry and arrogant and defensive right out of the gate and came across that way throughout most of the event.

Trey Grayson looked and acted like a candidate for state senate, not the US Senate. He thoroughly ticked off all his his talking points but was boring, boring, boring.

All the candidates had tables out front at this event, and sources on the ground tell me that while Bill Johnson’s table was mobbed afterwards with people wanting materials, Grayson’s and Paul’s tables were pretty much ignored.

In the end, of course, all that is going to matter is what Kentuckians think - not what Rand Paul’s national Ron Paul network thinks, not what Trey Grayson’s GOP establishment supporters think, and certainly not what I think.


34 posted on 02/13/2010 1:13:58 PM PST by EternalVigilance (A vote for McCain is a vote for amnesty.)
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To: EternalVigilance
All the candidates had tables out front at this event, and sources on the ground tell me that while Bill Johnson’s table was mobbed afterwards with people wanting materials, Grayson’s and Paul’s tables were pretty much ignored.

God Bless Kentucky. Finally, a little sanity.

35 posted on 02/13/2010 1:17:36 PM PST by Falcon28
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To: EternalVigilance
>>>>>Watched the whole thing...

Ditto. I agree with you that Rand Paul came across defensive from the get go and belligerent at times. Besides, we don't need another Paultard libertarian who will vote against everything, including the annual Defense Appropriations bill. Btw, I hope everyone noticed how Rand Paul shied away from direct comments on the Patriot Act, FISA and enhanced interrogations. Not to mention the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Paul's comments on Gitmo didn't remove any doubts concerning his flip-flopping on the issue in 2009.

I thought Johnson did a good job and Grayson was on message too. If this boils down to the charismatic cult of personality, sadly, Paul will win. Otherwise I think both Grayson and Johnson would get the job done for Kentucky.

36 posted on 02/13/2010 1:33:00 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

Rand Paul won and knocked it out of the park on more than one occasion


37 posted on 02/13/2010 3:17:48 PM PST by takecontrol
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To: takecontrol
Rand Paul is der schlockmeister.
38 posted on 02/13/2010 3:28:52 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: takecontrol

What are the statewide polls showing and when is the primary election day?


39 posted on 02/13/2010 3:32:52 PM PST by deport (TEXAS PRIMARY -- 4 DAYS TO EARLY VOTING......... 18 DAYS MARCH 2, PRIMARY)
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To: Parmenio

I don’t care. That he announced in the belly of the beast doesn’t bother me what bothers me is when a Republican goes on a left wing show and acts ashamed of his conservatism. Rand Paul is the real deal and he doesn’t back down from defending liberty and that is all I care about.


40 posted on 02/13/2010 4:33:15 PM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: deport

the last statewide poll showed Rand Paul leading by 19 points


41 posted on 02/13/2010 4:57:48 PM PST by takecontrol
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Extremely Extreme Extremist

Hey Titus, EEE was correct.

Today’s “conservatives” no longer believe in small government. They have become more progressive in their thinking, hence giving us progressive Neocon candidates like Bush & McCain.


42 posted on 02/13/2010 5:42:32 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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To: ChrisInAR
Today’s “conservatives” no longer believe in small government. They have become more progressive in their thinking, hence giving us progressive Neocon candidates like Bush & McCain.

"Neocon" - a term, like "racism," that means the one using it has no argument. Typically used by libertardians and Ron Paul nuts.

I've noticed, libertarians tend to think conservatives are "big government" because conservatives oppose abortion, oppose the redefinition of marriage to include homosexual "marriage," oppose the legalisation of prostitution, oppose the legalisation of all drugs, and oppose private roads, private court systems, and private armies.

It was libertarians that made me become a conservative.

43 posted on 02/13/2010 6:13:32 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
So you won't comment on the progressive part of my statement, huh?

Here is where "NeoCon" comes from, by who I believe is the creator of the phrase "Neoconservatism" himself (Irving Kristol, the father of Bill Kristol of FOX News):


NEO-CONSERVATISM:
The Autobiography Of An Idea

BTW, both Rand & his father Ron are strongly PRO-LIFE. While I am not an actual card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party anymore, there is a stong pro-life faction w/in the LP called Libertarians For Life. I think that most of the LP's most recent Presidential candidates were pro-life also -- including the late, great Harry Browne & former Rep. Bob Barr.

The STATES are the ones who should be dealing w/ the other items you brought up (queer marraige, highways, etc.), & most libertarians that I know would settle for getting the feds out of thise issues first. Whether the states do likewise is up to The People, which is exactly what the Founding Fathers intended.

44 posted on 02/13/2010 6:43:01 PM PST by ChrisInAR (You gotta let it out, Captain!)
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