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It's You, Not Me (Liberals and libertarians finally break up.)
The New Republic ^ | February 12, 2010 | Ed Kilgore

Posted on 02/13/2010 12:53:00 PM PST by Cheap_Hessian

One mini-saga of the past decade in American politics has been the flirtation—with talk of a deeper partnership—between progressives and libertarians. These two groups were driven together, in the main, by common hostility to huge chunks of the Bush administration's agenda: endless, pointless wars; assaults on civil liberties; cynical vote-buying with federal dollars; and statist panders to the Christian right.

This cooperation reached its height during the 2006 election, in which, according to a new study by David Kirby and David Boaz, nearly half of libertarian voters supported Democratic congressional candidates—more than doubling the support levels from the previous midterm election in 2002. (As Jonathan Chait noted after the first Kirby/Boaz study of libertarian voting, their definition is overly broad, encompassing 14 percent of the electorate.) At the time, left-wing blogger Markos Moulitsas hailed the influx of "libertarian democrats" into the Democratic coalition. Soon, even the Cato Institute's Brink Lindsey was proposing a permanent alliance of what he called "liberaltarians."

Well, you can say goodbye to all that. The new Kirby/Boaz study reports that libertarian support for Democrats collapsed in 2008, despite many early favorable assessments of Barack Obama by libertarian commentators. Meanwhile, the economic crisis has raised the salience of issues on which libertarians and Dems most disagree. And there's no question that during Obama's first year—with the rise of the Tea Party movement and national debate over bailouts, deficits, and health care—libertarian hostility to the new administration has grown adamant and virtually universal. But what progressives need to understand is that the end of this affair is actually a good thing.

(Excerpt) Read more at tnr.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; liberals; libertarians; polling; schism; tnr

1 posted on 02/13/2010 12:53:00 PM PST by Cheap_Hessian
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Libertarians tire of being the useful idiots.


2 posted on 02/13/2010 12:57:25 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
I am personally a classical libertarian and I cant believe liberals aka statist had some ties.To think people confused the two terms not knowing the difference in ideology.

Libertarians FTW!!!

3 posted on 02/13/2010 1:01:52 PM PST by lmarie373 ("Im a light skinned mexican-american with no mexican dialect ")
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To: Cheap_Hessian

The author is an epic moron, and there are numerous instances of unintended humor in his article.


4 posted on 02/13/2010 1:02:49 PM PST by Cheap_Hessian (I am the Grim FReeper.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

When the liberals became leftists - supporting the unlimited growth of the state - they lost whatever links they might have had with the libertarians.


5 posted on 02/13/2010 1:04:22 PM PST by reg45
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Is this breakup because the Libertarians have finally figured out that big brother Marxism isn’t really compatible with their world view?


6 posted on 02/13/2010 1:11:07 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: Cheap_Hessian

The author never does get around to explaining why the trend is “a good thing” - though it no doubt is, and I can explain why. Any self-ascribed libertarian who thinks they can find common cause with liberty-hating progressives needs to get their heads out of the sand. Bush’s casual acquiescence to statism may have been annoying, but it can’t hold a candle to what the actual statists have in mind.


7 posted on 02/13/2010 1:12:51 PM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

What a strange, strange article...

The author states “But what progressives need to understand is that the end of this affair is actually a good thing.” and then explains why the break-up has brought Obummer’s progressive agenda to a screeching halt.

I have some libertarian blood in me - can’t stand the nanny state. One thing I don’t like is the Patriot Act. I’d rather accept the risk of the occasional terror attack than live in a police state. The Dumocrats complained bitterly about the Act and promised to kill it if they got elected... haven’t heard much about THAT lately. And here we thought it was Bush that represented police-state Big Government...


8 posted on 02/13/2010 1:13:31 PM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
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To: eclecticEel

My, we were typing the exact same post at the exact same time.

BTW luv yer tag line!


9 posted on 02/13/2010 1:15:46 PM PST by lowtaxsmallgov (This Administration has absolutely no idea how to grow an economy)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

I will never forget the grinning sneer on George Will’s face the night of Obama’s election.


10 posted on 02/13/2010 1:19:34 PM PST by o2bfree (This president is giving me a headache!)
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To: lmarie373
“To think people confused the two terms....”

It's easy to understand the confusion — liberals aren't liberal. They just co-opted the label.

11 posted on 02/13/2010 1:21:23 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Below is from George Washington’s Farewell Address!

Warns against the party system.
“It serves to distract the Public Councils, and
enfeeble the Public Administration...agitates the
Community with ill-founded jealousies and false
alarms; kindles the animosity of one.. against
another.. it opens the door to foreign influence
and corruption.. thus the policy and the will of
one country are subjected to the policy and will
of another.”

12 posted on 02/13/2010 1:50:08 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Cheap_Hessian
Libertarians are social liberals but fiscally conservative. What they want is the government to keep their hands off their bodies and out of their wallets. The Marxists statists who run the Democratic Party never understood them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

13 posted on 02/13/2010 1:54:14 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rogue yam

Left-libertarian ping.


14 posted on 02/13/2010 2:32:11 PM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: Cheap_Hessian

Phony anarchists have been and always will be the advance guard of confusion and lies for communists.


15 posted on 02/13/2010 2:36:03 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: goldstategop
What they want is the government to keep their hands off their bodies and out of their wallets.

Throw in a return to Constitutional governance and you describe this libertarian to a "T".

16 posted on 02/13/2010 2:38:25 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: eclecticEel
Any self-ascribed libertarian who thinks they can find common cause with liberty-hating progressives needs to get their heads out of the sand.

Yes, that makes sense, but please tell me what's Lew Rockwell's problem.

He's supposed to be a Libertarian.


17 posted on 02/13/2010 3:20:03 PM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart. WHO DAT!)
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To: All

Christian Conservative and Republicans: social conservative, fiscal conservative.

Libertarian: social liberal, fiscal conservative

Democrat: social liberal, fiscal liberal.

Various libertarians find they can break bread with one or the other party depending on issues and their mood. Usually giving up one of their two positions. For instance as a Christian Conservative I could be : social conservative and fiscal liberal in good times, although I am staunchly both.
Any other accomodations by me wouldnt happen.


18 posted on 02/13/2010 4:35:06 PM PST by Sporaticus
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To: All

‘although I am staunchly both’ referring to both social and fiscal conservatism.


19 posted on 02/13/2010 4:36:34 PM PST by Sporaticus
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To: Cheap_Hessian
This is the George Castanza model...."It's not you, it's me? If anything, it's me. You'r damn right it's me!"

When you think of Castanza (Can't standya), he is a perfect metaphor for democrats.

20 posted on 02/13/2010 4:41:21 PM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: freedomfiter2

I think that’s why they left the Republican party in 2006. Testing the waters on the other side of the pool. Found out they didn’t like the Marxism there, either.

Which is probably why you see the Tea Party movement. Too many Kool-Aid drinkers who believed that you’ve got only the Republican/Democrat choice have stopped drinking that Kool-Aid.


21 posted on 02/13/2010 5:45:59 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: rdb3

probably lost his mind while he dated Cindy Sheehan


22 posted on 02/13/2010 5:52:35 PM PST by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: KC Burke
Did he really?


23 posted on 02/13/2010 6:20:59 PM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart. WHO DAT!)
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To: rdb3

post


24 posted on 02/13/2010 10:37:38 PM PST by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: rdb3

yup you can look it up


25 posted on 02/13/2010 10:38:31 PM PST by KC Burke (...but He has made the trains run on time.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

SO TRUE.

IF there was no such thing as ‘party affiliation’, then when we ‘elected’ someone and they turned out to be a mistake, then we could concentrate on solving the problem, instead of just pointing fingers at the other side.


26 posted on 02/14/2010 12:51:35 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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