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A Further Inquiry into Obama's Origins
American Thinker ^ | 2-14-2010 | Jack Cashill - Commentary

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February 14, 2010

A Further Inquiry into Obama's Origins

By Jack Cashill

Last week I contributed an article to American Thinker on Obama's origins that evoked a good deal of informed response. In it, I argued that the failure of the mainstream media to document the first year of Barack Obama's life has rendered the media accounts of the year before his birth suspect.

Here is what we know about Obama's first year. On August 19, 1961, fifteen days after Obama's presumed birth, his mother, "Stanley Ann Dunham," enrolled for classes at the University of Washington at Seattle.

The apolitical Washington State historical blog HistoryLink confirms Ann's arrival in August 1961, identifies her Capitol Hill apartment in Seattle, names the courses she took, and documents an extended stay by Ann and little Obama into the summer of 1962.

Incredibly, not one of the mainstream media accounts I consulted -- including four book-length biographies, several long-form magazine and newspaper bios, Obama's official campaign biography, and Obama's 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father -- places Ann and Obama anywhere other than in Hawaii during that first year.

Given this collective failure and the Obama camp's squirrelly response to questions about his birth certificate, another look at the circumstances leading up to that birth is warranted. To restore logic and order to this investigation, I turn to a structure we know as Occam's Razor: "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.'' This translates roughly as "Multiple variables are not to be posited without necessity." Let me start with the timeline and cast of characters.

Late summer, 1960

Stanley and Madelyn Dunham and 17-year-old daughter Stanley Ann (henceforth "Ann") leave the Seattle area for Hawaii. Ann does not want to go.

Fall, 1960

Ann enrolls at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where 23-year-old Barack Obama, Sr. is a student.

Spring semester, 1961

Ann fails to enroll at the University of Hawaii.

February 2, 1961

Barack Sr. and Ann marry in Maui.

August 4, 1961

Barack Obama is reportedly born in Honolulu's Kapiloani Hospital for Women and Children.

August 19, 1961

Ann Dunham enrolls at the University of Washington in Seattle.

Summer 1962

Ann and baby Obama return to Hawaii.

Fall 1962

Barack Sr. leaves for Harvard.

Spring 1963

Ann re-enrolls at the University of Hawaii.

January 1964

Ann files to divorce Barack Sr.

What follows are four possible scenarios to explain the circumstances of Obama's birth.  Each involves a different set of biological parents.

Ann Dunham and unknown Seattle male

In the original article, I floated the possibility that the progressive and adventurous 17-year-old Dunham was impregnated by a black man while the family was still living in the Seattle area. If so, this pregnancy could have prompted the family to uproot to Hawaii where no one knew them and where mixed-race babies were more accepted. 

Although this theory would make sense of the family's abrupt move to Hawaii and Ann's seemingly sudden departure to Seattle after Obama's birth, it introduces too many variables that I was unable to substantiate.

Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham

In football jargon, this scenario would be the ruling on the field. It stands until conclusive evidence can be found to overturn it. The most formal evidence for it is a divorce document issued in 1964, to wit, "[t]hat one child has been born to said Libellant and Libellee as issue of said marriage, to wit: BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II, a son, born August 4, 1961." The libellant in question is Stanley Ann D. Obama. The libellee is Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. 

This document aligns with names and dates on the more questionable "certification of live birth" that the Obama campaign posted online, as well as with the newspaper postings soon after the August 4 birth.

This scenario conforms to the story line that the young Obama heard growing up from his mother and grandparents, namely that the brilliant, charismatic Barack Sr. had swept the quiet Ann off her feet, impregnated her, married her, and left reluctantly for Harvard after a year of nurturing baby Obama in Hawaii.

Propping up this narrative is chatty Hawaii Democratic congressman Neil Abercrombie, who knew Barack Sr. at the University of Hawaii. "Little Barry, that's what we called him," Abercrombie told the Chicago Tribune about baby Obama while "recalling his days with Obama Sr. and his future wife, Ann Dunham, at the University of Hawaii."

There could not have been many such "days." The most compelling evidence against this scenario is Ann's documented enrollment at the University of Washington immediately after Obama's reported birth and Barack Sr.'s departure for Harvard immediately upon Ann's return to Hawaii. 

In addition, all details about the marriage remain elusive. Obama himself writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."

A couple marries in a different county like Maui to keep the notification out of the local news. No one attended the wedding -- not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. 

Neil Abercrombie's brother Hal never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of the outsized Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. If the young couple were making their home on Kalanianole Hwy. as the newspaper announcements claim, some friend should have at least remembered.

When Abercrombie and Zane visited their pal in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by not inquiring at all about his wife and then-six-year-old child (although he would visit the Dunhams four years later). In July 2008, speaking at a university roundtable, Michelle Obama said of Barack's mother that she was "very young and very single when she had him." This may not have been a slip of the tongue.

At least a few respondents to the last article cited the likeness of Obama to his half-brother, Mark Ndesandjo, also mothered by a white woman, as proof of Barack Sr.'s biological paternity. Beyond color, I do not see any particular resemblance (photo here). The adult Obama does not look like Barack Sr., and as Abercrombie concedes, he does not sound at all like him either.

Stanley Dunham and unknown black woman

The evidence for this scenario is all circumstantial. "You know," Stanley's brother Ralph has said of Obama, "he looks exactly like Stanley. He looks exactly like my brother, only he's dark." Admittedly, grandsons can look like their grandfathers, but Ralph is right.  The similarity between the two is striking.

The photo below, likely taken upon Barack Sr.'s departure for Harvard in 1962, shows not only Stanley's stunning resemblance to Obama, but also his inexplicable fondness for a black man who allegedly knocked up his daughter and is now abandoning her and his grandson. This photo is not an anomaly. As Obama recounts in Dreams, "Gramps" has only good things to say about his prodigal son-in-law.



One other critical bit of evidence for this theory is a poem Obama wrote as a 19-year-old called "Pop." The poem begins:

Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken


In, sprinkled with ashes,


Pop switches channels, takes another


Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks


What to do with me, a green young man

As I reported last week, most reviewers think this poem is about Stanley Dunham, and with some cause. "I can still picture Gramps leaning back in his old stuffed chair after dinner," writes Obama in Dreams, "sipping whiskey and cleaning his teeth with the cellophane from his cigarette pack."

If "Pop" refers to Gramps, then Obama seems to be confronting him with the recognition that Gramps is actually his father. Obama calls the poem "Pop," after all, not "Gramps."

"Under my seat, I pull out the
 Mirror I've been saving," writes Obama. Yes, the two look alike and they smell alike. Pop has big ears, and he even has "the same amber
 stain on his shorts that I've got on mine." The poem ends with bittersweet reconciliation when Pop stands and asks for a hug. Writes Obama:

I see my face, framed within

Pop's black-framed glasses

And know he's laughing too.

Gramps did wear black-frame glasses, and as to the "amber stain" reference, more on that later.

The mother in this scenario would have to have been black. Obama tells us in Dreams that Gramps frequented otherwise-all-black bars and hung out with the card-carrying communist Frank Marshall Davis, an African-American with Kansas and Chicago roots. In communist circles, the sharing of sex partners was not uncommon. 

If a black woman, perhaps a friend of Davis's, gave birth to a child of Dunham's, Barack Sr. would have obliged the Dunhams by marrying Ann and claiming paternity in return for all the potential benefits of having an American wife and baby. 

We also know that Stanley Dunham so desperately wanted a boy that he named his only child "Stanley Ann." Raising the young Obama would fulfill that desire. It would also explain the special relationship between him and Obama and the subsequent coolness of Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, or "Toot," to the whole charade. It might also explain Ann's distance from her presumed son, whom she would desert for long periods to advance her career.

This theory makes sense of the secret marriage in Maui, Stanley's enduring fondness for Barack Sr., the powerful resemblance between Stanley Dunham and Obama, and the Dunhams' apparent willingness to subsidize mother and baby in Seattle. 

What remains unclear is what Ann would get out of the deal. True, she never wanted to leave Seattle in the first place, and Obama would have been (in this scenario) her little brother, but the burdens she would have assumed do not seem balanced by the benefits gained. This scenario also introduces one major unsubstantiated variable: the unknown black mother.

Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis

Several of the respondents to last week's article, including a literary analyst I have previously referred to as Mr. West, argued for a relationship between Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis. Although there is no particular physical resemblance between Obama and Davis other than color -- the undeniable resemblance is to Stanley Dunham -- there are some other connections worth pursuing.

An outspoken progressive, 17-year-old Ann arrived in Hawaii in 1960 angry and rebellious. She did not want to be there. An affair with the married, 54-year-old Davis would have suited her politics and sated her need for revenge. In 1946, Davis, then 40, married a 21-year-old white socialite. Young white women obviously did not scare him off -- not by a long shot.

This is all speculative and would be wildly so were it not for the poem "Pop." The whiskey-drinking, the smoking, the dispensing of sage advice, and the black-frame glasses fit Davis as well as they do Stanley Dunham. "I was intrigued by old Frank," Obama writes in Dreams, "with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes." One sequence in "Pop" actually fits Davis better. 

Makes me smell his smell, coming

From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem

He wrote before his mother died,

Writes Obama in Dreams, "[Davis] would read us his poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar." It was Davis who instructed Obama in the ways of blackness. "I'm just telling you to keep your eyes open," Davis told him on one occasion. "Stay awake." Davis is an important figure in Obama's life. Obama alludes to him on nine separate occasions in Dreams. If "Pop" were Davis, then Obama may use the honorarium to suggest no more than an African-American godfather. Then again, "Pop" may have been a literal designation.

As something of a side note, what caught Mr. West's eye were the similarities in poetic style between Davis and the Obama of "Pop." What struck both of us is that "Pop" is much more sophisticated than "Underground," a silly poem about fig-eating apes that also appears under Obama's name in the spring 1981 edition of Occidental College's literary magazine, Feast.  Whether "Pop" refers to Gramps or Davis, it would not surprise me if Davis provided substantial help with the poem, a pattern that would repeat itself with Bill Ayers in the writing of Dreams.

One other issue that needs to be addressed, and a sensitive one, is that of sex. As reported in the U.K.'s Telegraph (and elsewhere), in 1968 Davis published under the pseudonym Bob Greene an only slightly fudged autobiographical manuscript titled Sex Rebel: Black. In the book, Davis concedes that "under certain circumstances I am bisexual" and that he was also "a voyeur and an exhibitionist." If Davis is "Pop," then this could explain the "amber stain" on the shorts of both mentor and initiate. How else to explain those stains?

One chapter of Sex Rebel deals with the seduction by Davis and his wife of a 13-year-old girl called "Anne," who was introduced to him by a trusting relative. "I'm not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I'd rather not bed a babe under 20," he writes, "But there are exceptions."

An amateur photographer, Davis had once started a photography club in Chicago. It has not been verified that he shot the nude photos floating around the internet of a woman who looks stunningly like Ann Dunham, nor has "Anne's" identity been confirmed. Still, there would have been nothing out of character for either Ann or Davis to have collaborated on this project.

Were the married Davis the father, and had Dunham introduced his daughter to Davis, it may explain what Obama has described as "the complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men." In this scenario, both would have had a vested interest in finding someone else to take the paternity rap. By keeping the marriage secret, they would have allowed Barack Sr. to continue living the life of a single man. 

Barack Sr. had a lot to offer, starting with his pigmentation. Besides, as a Kenyan, he would have given the boy more than a name. He would give him a distinctive identity as an "African" -- his race listed on the certification of birth -- a more respected ethnicity in the America of the 1960s than "Negro." Indeed, Obama has built his career around his exotic identity. Were he named after Frank Marshall Davis or any other American, he may never have been elected president.

This scenario would help explain why Barack Sr. blithely blew off his new family when he headed for Harvard a year after Obama's birth, rejecting a reported opportunity to take both wife and child to New York. More importantly, it would explain why Ann went to Seattle so promptly after the birth and with so little fuss. This would have been her baby, and she was proud of him. In addition, her departure would have allowed Barack Sr. to live life as he pleased in Hawaii. If Abercrombie saw "little Barry," it was almost assuredly after Ann returned.

This theory might also iron out some chronology wrinkles. An August 4 birth would suggest an early November conception. Obama biographer Christopher Andersen, however, reports that Ann told the Dunhams of her pregnancy in "late October." Presuming a missed period as first alarm, this would put conception in early September -- before Ann would have met Barack Sr. This earlier conception date better explains both why Ann did not enroll for a second semester and how she was able to leave by mid-August for Seattle. If all this is true, however, it presumes active date-manipulation by Team Obama -- a big "if."

Then, finally, there is the Chicago connection. Davis first arrived in Chicago in 1927 and ultimately left for Hawaii in 1948. Upon moving to Chicago nearly sixty years after Davis first arrived, Obama "imagined Frank in a baggy suit and wide lapels, standing in front of the old Regal Theatre, waiting to see Duke or Ella emerge from a gig." In a very real way, Chicago may have been his homeland, not Kenya, and he would have known it.

The Davis-as-father scenario may not be conclusive enough to override the ruling on the field, but it would explain the Obama camp's fear of documentation, and it deserves, at the very least, further review in the booth.


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To: little jeremiah

THE ONLY PERSON ABLE TO PROVE THEIR FATHER WAS OBAMA SENIOR AND INHERIT HIS ESTATE WAS MARK!

101 posted on 02/14/2010 5:45:40 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

OMG, that is pretty funny -— BHO as part of the Bush Family Dynasty, LOLOLOL


102 posted on 02/14/2010 5:47:38 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: BIGLOOK; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; rxsid; ...
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A Further Inquiry into Obama's Origins Sunday

Inquiries are becoming more and more serious....

[Thanks, BIGLOOK.]

103 posted on 02/14/2010 6:02:50 PM PST by LucyT (DON'T STEP IN THE TROLL -- null and void)
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To: hennie pennie

I just did an experiment. If I try, I can make my lips do the same thing and I can also get that bit of puffiness and I’m not related to either of them (lol)and I’m not black. 0’s lips are very narrow compared to Frank’s and he has a tiny bit of a smile in that picture but Frank has no smile at all.

In regard to the au paire thing in Chicago in 1958(?), I have done some wondering if that could have been with the Ayers family. Her uncle could have helped set that up. Bill would have been a little old for a baby-sitter (I think he was about 13 then) but his brother would have been the right age to need someone around that could “watch” him during the summer. Bill might have enjoyed having someone around his own age and she could have shared with him some of the radical stuff she was picking up at her high school in Seattle. This is all COMPLETE speculation of course but I think it is plausible if she really did work as an au paire. She could have been the one that inspired him at that highly impressionable to follow a course that led eventually to his terrorist involvement in the Weather Underground. (I’m not saying that she personnaly could have inspired him to be a terrorist but just that she could have shared with him Marxist ideas that just got the ball rolling.) And this early relationship could explain Ayer’s willingness to help 0 with writing his book and having him appointed chair of the Annenberg Challenge. And since Cashill has done such a good job of showing how Ayers is the real author of “Dreams”, the information about her being an “au paire” could have come from him. Sometime last year, a blogger named Steve Diamond,who did extensive investigative research on the Annenberg Challenge, wrote up a report about a postman meeting 0 at the Ayers house in the mid-80s after he went to Chicago to be an organizer. I think it was indicated in that report that 0 had a welcomed association with the elder Ayers family. This also made me think it could be because of his mother. Again I emphasize this is speculation but it all fits together quite nicely for me.


104 posted on 02/14/2010 6:03:26 PM PST by Albertafriend
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To: Albertafriend
A nanny for the younger siblings of Bill Ayers????

WOW.

105 posted on 02/14/2010 6:09:03 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Fred Nerks

OK. I can see some of her son in her. But if only there were a close-up/portrait and also something when she was in her 40s like the son is and then we could put them side by side. I find it kind of amusing seeing her referred to as 0’s step-mother but I guess she was even if she had no relationship with him.


106 posted on 02/14/2010 6:11:51 PM PST by Albertafriend
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To: Albertafriend

When is your novel being published?


107 posted on 02/14/2010 6:15:57 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: STARWISE
If what Barack Obama Jr. says about who his father was is true, he is ineligible to serve as POTUS, or even to have run!

There are three classes of citizens who were entitled to judge this question - the voters, the Electors, and the Members of Congress who certified his election without dissent, including Richard Bruce Cheney of Wyoming, who signed the papers.

No one else has standing to judge this matter.

It's over.

108 posted on 02/14/2010 6:17:57 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: smoothsailing

Surely, it should be easy enough to get some DNA for a paternity test. Barack is alive...there must be some Frank Davis DNA around, as much of a slut as he was...LOL.


109 posted on 02/14/2010 6:19:07 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Albertafriend

...only IF Ruth’s deceased ex husband was the father...


110 posted on 02/14/2010 6:22:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: hennie pennie; 240B; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

Thanks hennie pennie.


111 posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: little jeremiah

There are two separate articles that are posted on the long thread of an interview with the babysitter who babysat Jr while Ann was attending class. One was in a gay newspaper and the other was from an Alaskan newspaper sionce the babysitter now lives in Alaska and is involved in some sort of teaching IIRC. Also Ann did NOT leave Seattle in summer of 1962 she was still there into the fall of 1962 because she was visited by a former classmate who had come back to Seattle from Utah and mentioned that she visited shortly before the end of the 1962 World’s Fair. The two mothers talked about babies while Jr played with the other mother’s daughter who was a few days younger than Jr. (sorry her name has slipped my mind and the notepad her name is written in is presently in ID not up here with me)


112 posted on 02/14/2010 6:32:25 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Uncle Chip

Horseshit.


113 posted on 02/14/2010 6:33:26 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Jude in WV

There has been a lot of speculation about the exact time when the photo was taken. Because the lei is presented to newcomers to HI many believe it was when Sr arrived, but leis are also presented upon graduation so it could also be June 22, 1962 on the dock as Sr prepared to set sail for San Francisco and his first stop to visit Hal and Shirley Abercrombie. Sr spent three months touring the U.S. before arriving at Harvard on a “crisp, cool late September morning” as mentioned in a Time article of the period.


114 posted on 02/14/2010 6:36:36 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: pissant

Gesundheit!


115 posted on 02/14/2010 6:44:02 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: ansel12
photo: when was it taken, and where is Obama's mother when photo was taken?

Is Obama's grandmother in photo?

116 posted on 02/14/2010 6:46:40 PM PST by john mirse
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To: SunkenCiv; smoothsailing
This is all I need to know


117 posted on 02/14/2010 7:01:09 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: bigheadfred

Fred, there’s five guys in that picture, which one is Obama’s father?


118 posted on 02/14/2010 7:04:07 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

I’m with ya there.

There will always be liars and crooks. They’re not the problem. Any system that is going to survive has to be able to handle liars and crooks, to neuter their ability to hurt anybody else by it. We HAVE to have an honest media and honest law enforcement.

I believe that the threats of FCC license revocation if they reported on the issue was vital to what has happened. I think Obama’s lawyers had to scare the tar out of the CONSERVATIVE reporters/talk show hosts.

Initially the conservatives just ignored the issue - as many who tried to call in found out. Now that the questions are getting more pointed and there is more evidence of wrong-doing to cover for Obama, I think the Axelrod-Ailes meeting may have been to pressure the conservative talkers to actively ridicule people with questions. They have to convince conservative leadership that this issue is poison.

But I think the main people who are calling it poison are folks like Beck and O’Reilly, as well as their wannabes (like Red State) and the sites owned by Fox employees (such as Michelle Malkin’s Hot Air). The conservatives with independent voices - such as Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, and (now) Jeff Kuhner - are not ridiculing and are instead increasingly willing to hear the case honestly.

I think Breitbart is afraid to spend his credibility on this, at least for now. And maybe we need him to stand back so he can keep doing what he is doing.

If we can survive Obama’s attempt to divide and conquer us and can get the facts into the open, it will be an interesting soul-searching time as media people of all stripes ask how we got to a point where one man could hold the entire “mainstream” AND conservative media hostage.


119 posted on 02/14/2010 7:05:58 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: smoothsailing

He had a father? I thought he just kinda arose from the slime.


120 posted on 02/14/2010 7:08:28 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: bigheadfred

Barack Hussein Omeoba


121 posted on 02/14/2010 7:12:17 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: little jeremiah

That’s what I thought too, but I spent some yesterday over of Obamaconspiracy.org addressing some falsehoods that Dr. Conspiracy was saying about my blog, and they honestly can’t see it. It’s absolutely uncanny.

My kids and I watched the first “Left Behind” movie about a month ago. We had some discussion about whether people could watch Nikolai Carpathia shoot two men dead and still come out of it saying that it was a terrible tragedy - a murder-suicide by one of the men who was shot.

Yuri Bezmenov said that when people have been demoralized to the point that the communists demoralize people they reach a point where they honestly can’t see it. He said you could take them to observe a concentration camp and they will still say communism is all sweetness and light. They won’t believe anything until the fat boot hits THEM in the a$$.

At this point I feel like I don’t even know my fellow Americans any more. They could do or believe just about anything and it wouldn’t surprise me.


122 posted on 02/14/2010 7:17:50 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: smoothsailing

F****** little monster.

Think we’ll see the day he makes it to worm status?


123 posted on 02/14/2010 7:18:42 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: Jim Noble

There are law enforcement issues that need to be begun and finished. Too many crimes committed and never checked into by the proper authorities.

http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com


124 posted on 02/14/2010 7:23:32 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: bigheadfred
They had one of these on some poster for a talk at the University of Chicago with all the figures in silhouette. At the right I added one of Homer Simpson with his donut iPod.


125 posted on 02/14/2010 7:24:53 PM PST by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I thought about adding the O, but then I would have had to really enlarge the pic just to keep the perspective right...


126 posted on 02/14/2010 8:45:52 PM PST by bigheadfred (Be who you are and say what you feel: Those who mind don't matter.Those who matter don't mind.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Nothing but idle and ridiculous speculation. Barack Obama II’s legal/historical/documentable father was the Kenyan, and nothing can or ever will change that. There are too many documents and facts in the public domain to think otherwise —”
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There is an apocryphal blurb in a newspaper and a divorce decree. That is not too many. What else do we have in the public domain?


127 posted on 02/14/2010 9:27:45 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: butterdezillion

“I hope your children have a good time kicking your face when they see it sewn onto a soccer ball. Because by refusing to address this you are consigning your children to that kind of world.”

nice phrasing. great impact.
go, butta, go!


128 posted on 02/14/2010 9:47:47 PM PST by bitt (One if by land, Two if by sea. Three if by CRIMINALS from Washington, D.C)
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To: hennie pennie

Opened in new tab to read, TY!


129 posted on 02/14/2010 9:50:26 PM PST by JustPiper (Where IS the "Progress in PROGRESSIVE" ?!? Don't Trust anything with a "Caucus")
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To: Fred Nerks

Right!


130 posted on 02/14/2010 9:52:08 PM PST by Albertafriend
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To: MilspecRob

Well you got to admit it’s got the workings of a good plot!
At this point only God knows the real story but until it’s revealed, my guess is about as good as anyone’s.


131 posted on 02/14/2010 9:54:35 PM PST by Albertafriend
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To: butterdezillion
...At this point I feel like I don’t even know my fellow Americans any more. They could do or believe just about anything and it wouldn’t surprise me.

let me share your depair...although I'm an Aussie.

132 posted on 02/14/2010 9:58:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks

You probably have more “fellow Americans” than I do. lol. Or at least it sometimes feels like people outside America understand what America is supposed to be better than the people inside.

I’m hoping we’re not too far gone already.


133 posted on 02/14/2010 10:29:35 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: esquirette

There is the fact that President-elect Obama took some private time right after his election to visit his Grandmother in Honolulu just before she was expected to die. I seem to remember that he got there too late, but I’m not sure about that. At any rate, as the only documented, living heir to his “grandmother” it strikes me that he wanted to get first dibs on the contents of her home. This duty was something that the President-elect of the United States could not possibly delegate to anyone else. I wonder if there were any paper records, letters, or diaries that Obama did not want around any more. This scenario fits well with the theory that Obama was fathered by his “grandfather” and the story about Ann being his mother was a falsehood.


134 posted on 02/14/2010 10:53:52 PM PST by Sam Clements
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To: Sam Clements

I believe you are mistaken; Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was living with grandmother, that’s what I recall.


135 posted on 02/15/2010 4:42:04 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Sam Clements

Obama actually visited grandmother before her death, which occurred shortly thereafter, and I agree that he visited to cleanse the apartment, as the passport file was cleansed.


136 posted on 02/15/2010 5:10:47 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: READINABLUESTATE

Self ping for later


137 posted on 02/15/2010 5:18:24 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE (Is life so dear, or peace so sweet..........)
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To: esquirette

Isn’t the divorce decree enough???


138 posted on 02/15/2010 5:44:30 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip

The court takes the parents’ word for it.


139 posted on 02/15/2010 5:56:05 AM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette
The court takes the parents’ word for it.

Right, parent's [plural]. Weren't there officers of the court involved on atleast one side of the divorce decree??? What lawyers would not ask for all the relevant prior paperwork as evidence of marriage??? If they weren't married or there was no document verifying the marriage, then why would they need a document verifying the divorce???

140 posted on 02/15/2010 6:25:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: arthurus

It, would, however, evidence a massive pattern of knowing fraud.


141 posted on 02/15/2010 7:18:16 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: IbJensen

She got pregnant out of wedlock, a big no no in the 60’s.
He would have been aborted if it were 12 years later.


142 posted on 02/15/2010 7:38:04 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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I was just thinking about my mixed great granddaughter, her father is a fair skinned African American,

MY granddaughter is white, there is no way anyone would ever guess, there are no distinguishing characteristics that would leave anyone to believe she has an African American father.

I live in a neighborhood that has many mixed kids,

Now I think of Obama’s Gpaw and the fair skinned black women from the red light district serving them drinks at the bar,

Why would Gpaw take him there?

There is only one reason, so the mom could see him.


143 posted on 02/15/2010 11:28:22 AM PST by Sophia777
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To: Uncle Chip

I know, but the birth date of the child is not material as long as it is established that he is a minor. Back then, I doubt any lawyer would ask for the BC or the marriage certificate. But, it is curious that there is no date of the marriage in the divorce decree. I have never seen that happen.

Personally, I think they got a divorce to establish a marriage - a marriage that never was.


144 posted on 02/15/2010 6:34:25 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette

With the only two witnesses dead, that divorce decree will stand against any DNA challengers.


145 posted on 02/15/2010 6:46:37 PM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Fred Nerks
I cannot see any resemblance

Not even the man-boobs? :-)

146 posted on 02/15/2010 6:47:19 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: SkyPilot

Wouldn’t you say Obutthole looks more like Davis than his Kenyan “father?” I think so.


147 posted on 02/15/2010 9:50:21 PM PST by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: smoothsailing

obumpa


148 posted on 02/15/2010 10:25:09 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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